Angell/Vantage String Recomendations

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  1. Dmorg78

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    Hi guys,

    I've recently opened the Australian arm of Angell Tennis and I wanted to get your thoughts on the strings, string combinations and tensions that you have had success with.

    I've tried the tc95 with a full bed of ALU Power rough @49 pounds, and the tc100 with a full bed of Head Sonic Pro @55 pounds.

    Next up will be stringing with Volkl Cyclone and Yonex PTP.

    If you could let me know what you've hit with on these frames before is really appreciate it.

    Cheers
    Dave
     
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  2. mad dog1

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    currently have my TC95 strung up w/ a full bed of cyclone 1.25 @ 49#s on an electronic CP machine. previously tried full bed of discho iontec 1.25 @ 50#s on an electronic CP machine. both provide consistent, predictable response. really enjoying both.
     
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    I can't comment on Angell frames but I have a bunch of older Vantage 95 frames that have gone through a lot of polys.

    My fav of the bunch was GENESIS Black Magic 17g 1.23 at 50-55lbs. Only wish that they last longer!

    Given that they are rather soft sticks, you can still string low and get a lot of control.

    MSV hex very good and long lasting but low tensions are better, 52 lbs and lower.

    SPPP and cyber blue, cyber flash higher tensions as these strings tend to get mushy fast.

    Tour bite 1.24 is great but for a short
    time as the strings eat into each other.
    Recommend a hard round poly as a cross and tensions in the lower 50s to high 40s.

    Yonex poly tour pro 1.25 and proline 2 is really good too.
     
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  4. Dmorg78

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    Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback.

    Has anyone else got any thoughts? Particularly around Yonex Poly your pro or tour spin.

    Thanks
     
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  5. mad dog1

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    i've tried yptp 1.25 in my bc20 and it played great. haven't gotten around to trying it in my tc95 yet. i have tried both yptp and ypts in my pure storms and they played great as well so i'm quite sure the spin would play well in the bc20, too. i'm pretty sure both yonex strings would work well in the tc95 because it plays and feels like a stiffer bc20.
     
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  6. alanl228

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    WC SilverString 16/OGSM17 54/56 play great on Vantage 95.
     
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  7. luishcorreia

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    I have a vantage 100 sqin, 63 ra.

    My fav are volkl cyclone, krischbaum competition, pro line II, tourna bhb7, tour bite
     
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  8. ManuGinobili

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    Signum Pro Hyperion (similar to Black Magic but longer durability) is great in a TC95 (I'm using this set up), but won't give you that bit of extra spin.
    Pro's Pro Vendetta is also very nice, the pocketing just invites you to swing real hard.
    For the TC100, a buddy of mine uses SP Plasma Hextreme and his game is just upped another level
     
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  9. Boristennis

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    Angell TC 100

    Hi Dave,

    I brought 2 TC 100 back from Pomgolia (Stiff 70, 300 grms) and with a new racket I went for a string combination that I knew well in order to ascertain how it played.
    I went with Yonex Polly Tour Pro @ 55lbs mains and Yonex ATP 850 pro @ 53 in crosses and I am tremendously impressed. Excellently strung as always by Prelli in Collingwood.
    Great touch and plenty of plow, provided you hit through the ball. I believe it would play well with Head's new soft polly (can't remember its new name) in place of YPT, which I really like but its not available here yet and natural in the crosses.

    Boristennis
     
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  10. Dmorg78

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    Thanks for that Boris. I strung with a full bed of PTP @51 which played really well. I'm looking for a softer feel and more pocketing, so I'm going to hybrid with some rip control I have laying around.

    I also played with a Dunlop muscle weave on the same night, which was extremely soft and had awesome pocketing, so that May have swayed my thoughts! That was a racquet I really enjoyed playing with!

    Also going to try some different hybrid/tension combos on the demo TC95's I have. Very keen to find a really great string to demo the frames with
     
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  11. itsstephenyo

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    This thread is exactly what I was looking for. I loved the "old" Cyberflash, but now that I'm reading some reviews saying that the newer batch is a lot different, I've been on the hunt for a new poly to cross with a basic synthetic gut.

    I was using Cyberflash 17g/Forten crosses at 53# and I loved it.

    Anyone able to compare Cyberflash against some of these and recommend something new? MSV Focus Hex sounds pretty interesting, and the price is excellent, too.

    Edit: This is on a 95" 16x19 Vantage with 63RA. I'm glad I'm not the only one to string low tensions with this racquet. A bunch of my buddies are always wondering why I'm stringing in the low 50s while they're stringing in the upper 60s.
     
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  12. Dmorg78

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    Welcome Itsstephenyo!

    I had my second hit with the TC100 63RA with YPTP @51 tonight. Hit with them for 3 hours now and I've concluded it's too stiff! I do like how the string plays but I want more pocketing on the ball and a softer string bed.

    So do I hybrid? Or do I drop to like 47?

    I've got cyclone and rip control in my bag but I'd like to hybrid the YPTP so might try it with the ATP 850 as Boris suggested, or Gosen sheep micro. How light should I go on tension here?

    My prime concern is that the racquet feels great for demo's. My aim after all is to sell these Angell frames and get the brand some traction in Oz.

    Should I even forget about polys and go a multi?

    Thanks!
     
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  13. scotus

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    I don't think racquets like Angell would sell enough to get you a decent income.

    For a "custom racquet company," the choices that Angell/Vantage offers is very limited in my opinion ... unless you can talk Paul into offering more choices in terms of stiffness and string patterns.
     
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  14. Dmorg78

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    You may be right scotus, but Angell is not my sole source of income.

    Angell is only 12 months old too. A wider variety of products will come, and it's got an exciting future.

    Thankfully the level of interest in Australia has been good so far and it will only grow as the tennis season approaches.

    So, any suggestions on stringing? Have you hit with an angell before?
     
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  15. scotus

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    It's good that Angell is only one of your income sources.

    Yes, I have multiple Vantage racquets, both custom and bastcores. Angell, previously known as Vantage, has been around quite some time, so I am not sure if they will introduce any new products ... unless you have some inside info that the rest of us do not.

    For string, yes, go lower. I would suggest 40-45 pounds.
     
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  16. itsstephenyo

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    You could always try to string at your current tension but just add in a synthetic gut as a cross. Should soften up the string bed a bit.
     
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  17. Dmorg78

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    That's definitely on the cards Stephen.

    Would be great if any angell/vantage users who try different strings could discuss how they go in this thread. Would help a lot of us.
     
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  18. Boristennis

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    Angell TC 100

    Tried Gossen OG Sheep Syn Gut @54 lbs on a TC100 (70). Played very soft and kept having to put strings back, but I liked the feel, especially on volleys and serves. Did not have same plough as with Polly/Multi mix on groundstrokes. Think I would like to try with Volkl Powerfibre II next, which might be a cross between the two set ups I have tried. I will say this though I now have 2 TC built for me in the UK and 1 from Aus (you) and to your compliment they are exactly the same in weights, balance and feel, which sadly is not always the case with better known brands. Great work Angell Tennis.
     
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  19. 0d1n

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    Using a 16x19 95 with Gosen Polylon Polyquest 1.24 full.
    I'm stringing it around 22-23 kg in the summer and 19-21 kg in the winter. I take my time with stringing and allow the string to stretch properly...so it may "feel" harder to some than the tension might suggest.

    I've also tried poly/syn gut combos and syn gut/poly combos. Loads of types of poly from SPPP/pure 1.23, and Topspin CyberBlue 1.20 and 1.25 to Proline 2 1.20 and WeissCannon Black 5 edge 1.24 combined in hybrids with wilson, gosen and technifibre synthetic gut.

    Also liked the Gosen Og 1.29 full in the racquet...but it breaks too quickly for me.

    I don't find it to be a very string sensitive racquet although you do feel the difference between the strings. The difference in power between the Polyquest and the Black5Edge for example is staggering given the fact that they are both poly strings.
    Currently have and plan to use, a couple of polyquest roles, one cyberblue and one proline 2.
    I have some SPPP/Pure as well...but those are lower powered than I like, and have less feel for me than the aforementioned ones...so I usually string those for other people who like those strings more than me.
     
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  20. Boristennis

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    Finally settled on Yonex Polly Tour 125 mains @56lbs & Gossen Sheep OG @ 54lbs mains. Good plough & good touch. (125 plays much softer than Polly Tour Spin) for a TC 100 73. Previous problems even using Volkl's with elbow and shoulder, no longer an issue with the Angel.
     
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  21. Torres

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    I used the following in a TC100 320/310/63 and thought it played really well.

    M: Genesis Black Magic 17
    C: Volkl Classic Syn Gut 16

    52/54 lbs CP

    Lasted for quite some time without significant drop off in playability.
     
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  22. jason586

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    I keep coming back to Genesis Black Magic on my Vantages mostly with a stiffer syn gut cross. My main set up is Gen BM 16 (have 2 reels of it) @ 56lbs x OGSM white 17 @ 60 lbs. It plays well for a really long time for me on my primary Vantages which are 27"/70ra/95". I recently bought some Global Gut 16 that I put in the mains with Polystar Classic 17 crosses on another of my Vantages which is 27.5"/70ra/100"; and it does not play as well - too springy. Some of this is because I strung the gut low at 54lbs since it is an econogut and can be sensitive when stringing too high (PS Classic crosses at 52lbs). They are different racquets though, so it is not exactly a fair comparison.
    Now I'm somewhat thinking of stringing the Global Gut 16 higher (maybe 56-57lbs) with Gen BM crosses on my primary 95" Vantage. The main reason I'm 100% on the idea is that by replacing the light weight of the OGSM 17 with a heavy 16 natural gut, the racquet definitely feels more head heavy. I have no lead and even a half rubber band for vibration dampener, and I'm not going to cut my bumpers.
     
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  23. Matchball

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    Am I good with a 63 RA, 95 in. Angell if I put Spiky Shark 16 @ 56/54, assuming I like high dynamic tension with almost all my frames..?

    Should I sting lower? (temperatures not too low outdoors).

    Thinking about stringing my second frame with a 59/57 multi?
     
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  24. Dmorg78

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    Hi Matchball.

    I'm finding the lower I go the better on a tc100 63ra. The Dyreex a Black Edge felt good once it lost its tension and the YPTP in mid 40s was wonderful.

    The quest for the right string and tension is getting expensive!
     
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  25. Matchball

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    You know what, I think I better start lower and see how it feels, rather than the other way around. Thanks for the input.
     
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  26. officerdibble

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    I've experimented a lot with strings in my TC 95 16x19 - something that's tempting when you have complete confidence in the frame.

    I settled on a copy of Tecnifibre Blackcode at 51 in the mains with Discho Microfibre at 55lbs in the crosses.

    I think this is a good option for your demos for a couple of reasons:
    1. A lot of good club players use full poly.
    2. Plenty of good club players string with the default multi or nylon that the local stringer gives everyone!

    So my suggestion gives you a softer poly and a soft (but not mushy) cross that should have reasonably wide appeal.

    Alternatively, if you can establish from local club stringers what they're using a lot of, you have a slightly better chance of giving more potential customers a comparable frame to try (and they have more chance of appreciating how much better the Angell frame is).

    At my club, the coach has recommended the same Babolat frame to almost everyone; and most get the default restring (Babolat Addiction). If you can find the equivalent locally you could, of course, match demo frame spec and string.

    Hope that helps a little.
     
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  27. Chas

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    To be honest I've not found a bad string for my TC95 16x19's- probably a comment on the quality of the racquets as much as anything

    I generally string at low 50's, mostly use 16 guage. I've used several multis to good effect - Yonex 850, Discho Microfibre, Prince Premier Attack. All played really well, with a good balance of power, spin and feel.

    The only drawback was breaking these a bit too frequently for my budget, especially in our sometimes damp climate.


    So, I settled on the Yonex Toughbrid 130 hybrid for the last match season, which worked well.


    Now I'm using Ashaway's Monogut ZX 16 - which I've very pleased with. Lasting much longer, without discomfort, and playing as well as any of the others.

    Chas
     
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  28. Matchball

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    Could you make a direct comparison between PPA and Yonex 850 pro?
    Especially in the spin and control department? Did you end up with Ashaway Monogut just for the durability ?
     
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  29. Chas

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    Mikeler is better qualified than I am on this - see http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=352048 , but from my personal perspective I've always found the Yonex 850 easy to play with and fairly durable. It doesn't seem to me to stand out in any department, but does most things well. I felt the PPA gave slightly more grip on the ball and perhaps a bit more power. On the other hand it didn't feel quite as soft or comfortable. As some others have found it seems to also either break fairly early on in its life, near the frame end of the string, or lasts longer than the 850 - so swings and roundabouts (is that just a UK saying - apologies if it is).



    I tried the Monogut ZX after reading the various threads on it - especially http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478804&highlight=zyex


    I can't afford to restring Poly's or hybrids after a couple of weeks when the Poly goes dead , and can't afford not to as it hurts my arm. So, up until now I've stuck with multi's - but they wear out fairly fast and don't offer as much grip on the ball as Poly's - which really helps when defending and counter attacking on the artificial grass prevalent over here.

    I've found the ZX to offer better overall performance than the multi's I've tried - more power and better grip, and very consistent performance over their surprisingly long life - sorry didn't mean that to sound like a Sales Pitch. The one downside to it is a somewhat plasticky sound (although probably just the sound rather than feel to the hand, if that makes sense).

    I hope I've answered your question ?
     
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  30. Matchball

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    Impressive stuff, thanks for taking the time to answer my question thoroughly. I have used Yonex 850 myself and my experience with PPA is similar (given that the recent TW samples of the latest multis by Prince do not differ - I got a sample of the control). I wanted to see your view, especially on the Angell frame and given the fact you have used the same strings.

    I am happy to report that I agree; what you say confirms my own findings (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=7869324#post7869324, especially the increased grip on the ball. The Yonex 850 multi seems like a good, "neutral", inexpensive, reference multifilament.

    Now the Ashaway string, I will have to check it out shortly - thinking about stringing one frame with PPA and the second one with either Monogut or Spiky Shark. Will probably go with the poly for the sake of a more "mainstream" comparison initially.
     
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