Another groundstroke video

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Masamusou, May 24, 2006.

  1. Masamusou

    Masamusou Semi-Pro

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    I already know all kinds of things I'm doing wrong, I just want to make sure I'm not neglecting something that I need to be correcting. I think I've made notes of everything, but just in case I thought I would post it here and let an outside group rip me. Mostly just a mismatch of shots during a normal hitting session with another TW member from about 2 months ago. Taken from a much longer video. Couldn't get as many backhands into the clip as I wanted because the location of the camera basically cut out the backhand corner.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9078125356534435191
     
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  2. habib

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    Ok:
    Forehand - If I guessed that most of your forehands land short (around the service line, maybe even a little shorter) would I be right? You have the same problem with it I used to have - too much of a wiping motion and not enough extending and hitting through the ball. Also, it looks like you're using a semi-western grip, but it also looks like you are hitting the majority of your forehands in a closed stance. You also hit a lot of your forehands off of your backfoot, with your weight leaning backwards.

    Footwork - What footwork? There was footwork? :p I'm kidding. I mean, you did move your feet around. But you were flat-footed 90% of the time. You really need to keep your feet in almost constant motion, especially when the ball is coming towards you because you need to make adjustments. On quite a number of forehands, you set yourself on your flat feet, and when the ball came it wasn't quite where you expected it and you ended up contorting your torso and reaching for the ball in all sorts of strange ways that would make a flexible porn-star raise an eyebrow.

    Backhand - I can't comment too much on your backhand because I have a one-hander, but it seemed that, on many occasions, you move your weight into the shot and THEN swing, whereas these two things should probably be happening simultaneously.

    That's all I can see for now, as I'm at work and don't have much time to really take a close look.
     
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  3. Bungalo Bill

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    Well first let's start with your list. Please post what you think is wrong (and right) with your forehand.
     
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  4. habib

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    Oh, that's a good call, Bill. :)
     
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  5. safin_protege

    safin_protege Semi-Pro

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    Your footwork needs the most work. You don't move your feet enough when you are getting to the ball, and when you strike the ball, you are off balance. Get lower and take small steps to position yourself.

    Your forehand is too wristy, as previously mentioned, but it also seems you are hitting the ball too close to you and not extending your arm.

    This thread contains a slow-motion video of Federer hitting forehands; watch his arm and wrist, and notice how well he gets into position for each ball.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=100843
     
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  6. VGP

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    quit spinning your damn racket......it's annoying.
     
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  7. wyutani

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    a good way to distract your opponent, dun stop spinning it...
     
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  8. snoflewis

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    lol...actually...it can become quite a habit

    anyway

    on your forehand, like habib said, too much wiping motion. try rotating your shoulders more and hitting through the ball, and also, like habib said, a lot of your balls look like they're landing short.

    for footwork, you might want to try split stepping, it'll keep your feet moving.
     
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  9. AAAA

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    Are those warm-up forehands or your power forehands? For power forehands when possible I

    a) get my weight moving forward into the shot

    b) load up on the power by approaching the shot with the knees bent stance and then straighten out the legs as i hit the ball. Straightening out the legs is important as it unloads the stored power in the stance.

    c) try to do a and b explosively and smoothly. From the video it looks like you are warming up - you are not attacking the shot
     
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  10. MPC37

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    try to be more explosive and shift your weight into the shot.

    btw I spin my racquet also.
     
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  11. looseswing

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    Bend your knees more.
     
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  12. MoneyBall

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    Masamusou, if you know your mistakes, why don't you post a video of you trying to hit the ball correctly, this way, it'll show that you really care about improving. Watch Habib's video...this guy is a workhorse, he doesn't mess around. Great post by the way..I have learned a lot from reading it.
    My FH has never been as consistent as my backhand but after reading and watching clips (Hass) on this broad I have resolved this problem. It's has been footwork. It all has to early preparation, shoulder rotation, contact and weight transfer. Like, Habib's past, I used to whip the forehand and often it landed short or long without drive...

    Lately, I have been working very hard trying to imitating Hass' FH. It's very demanding, you have to move your feet a lot to get in position and bend your knees (two things that you lack in the video). But when you do it right, you barely have to use your wrist or arm (TE). It just leaves your racket with a nice pop. This is why I don't think you are fully utililizing the Volkl Tour 10 Mid VE.

    Wanna sell it?
     
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  13. shindemac

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    I would try and flatten out the strokes more. There's very little power, so the topspin is not as necessary. Drive through the ball more, and use more of your body. Habib is right; Your weight stays on your back foot. This is obvious cause your front foot is up in the air half the time. Footwork is pretty atrocious; You look slow and plodding. Bend your knees more. For low balls, you should get even lower, but you do the opposite.

    For backhands, make sure you hit as much as your forehand cause it needs a lot of work. I know you edited the video, but 7 minutes is a bit too much. Most of your strokes suffer from the same problems, so after the first minute it was getting repetitive.
     
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  14. habib

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    Hey, thanks. :)

    Hahahaha. Smooth.
     
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  15. Mr.Federer

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    To the OP: you need to make a longer swing, yours is very short in that video. You also need to extend your arm when hitting the ball. You''ll hit cleaner,harder and deeper shots if you do.
     
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  16. limitup

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    I would say first try opening your stance and hitting the ball farther in front of you. I'm dealing with the same issues myself, and when you take what you think is a good swing and the ball still goes into the net - believe me, I know that feeling when you just shake your head. Most of this can be solved by hitting farther in front of you, because your racquet is simply too closed at contact.
     
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  17. mucat

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    I think you are not hitting enough with your shoulder turn, you have to lead your hitting arm with your shoulder turn. You are currently not hitting the ball effectively.
     
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  18. nickowns

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    I think you need to lose some weight. :)

    On to techniques, all your forehands have no power, no weight transfer when you hit from either wings. Those backhands looked like they went no where, again no weight transfer. Footwork, hit through the ball, bend your knees, shift the weight forward. I think from those strokes, you would struggle if your feeder gave you deeper, flatter balls as they look lollypop at best.
     
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  19. D-man

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    Well, one thing that really stuck out to me was you're over-rotating your shoulders for your forehand.
     
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  20. blue03

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    i used to that forms of forehand stroke...now i'm changing it...now i'm more to open stance, only rotate your hips and then uncoil..i suggest u hit the ball far in front and drive thru the ball...

    finally i get to hit deeper than before :p
     
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  21. freelans

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    Your nondominant arm is not moving at all on your forehands. You might want to work on that in addition to everything else.
     
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  22. freelans

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    And you're floating your backhand slices. Try more horizontal racket movement.
    Not enough split stepping going on either. I have the same problem actually.
     
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  23. freelans

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    Plus, you're windshield wipering all of your forehands. You might want to work on different forehands for different situations. Some of those shots you could have drilled with a flatter trajectory.
     
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  24. Jim_Courier's_Fluffy_Hair

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    Go to a pro you cheap skate!!!

    Only joking.
     
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  25. Rickson

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    You should bring your left arm above your right arm on the forehand instead of swinging under the right arm. You're not getting as complete a followthrough as you could if you brought your left arm over and not under. I know that Mauresmo and Gonzalez often hit their forehands under their left arms, but for the vast majority of players, that form does more harm than good.
     
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  26. chess9

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    Is your patellar tendon sore? Looks like tendonitis because you are favoring the left one and not bending either knee very much. Take two weeks off and rest those puppies.

    Your two-handed backhand looks pretty good to me. Just a little casual occasionally and no bending of course. Your forehand needs serious work. Your right arm is like an orphan wondering where her next meal is coming from. :) You play flat footed, which may or may not be the cause of the patellar tendonitis. Your posture is very un-athletic. It's as though you'd rather be watching t.v. than working on the court. Get up on your toes after your knees heal, assuming they do. I'm not sure you are overweight. Hard to tell from the pics. Next time, go shirtless. :) Or, not.... :)

    You need most to translate your obvious interest in tennis into a meaningful training plan. I suspect you are drifting....

    -Robert
     
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