Another Meniscectomy/Arthritis Patient

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  1. drak

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    Okay, it's update time for my wife and I and how we are doing post PRP/stem cell injections.

    After a very slow start (4-5 weeks) she is now doing fantastic. She just got done playing 3 days in row and has no soreness and virtually no swelling, something she did experience at the 2 1/2 - 3 month time frame. As expected per my own experience and what I have read, the positive effect really start to kick in at the 3-4 month time frame, she's now about 5 1/2 months post stem cell/PRP. Apparently the significant discomfort she felt for several weeks post stem cell was the healing response since she had from her surgery 2-3 weeks before that.

    I am doing well, the stem cell/PRP did its job and tightened up my loose ligaments and took my "general soreness" away. However I have a specific area in the medial area that I feel when I try for full flexion, I believe I have a posterior horn tear from a ski accident 1.7 years ago. This does not bother me at all during tennis or other activities (biking/skiing) and I wear no brace, In my case I think it's something the PRP/stem cell won't cure. But since it really does not bother me I an just going to leave it alone.

    So overall I am very happy with both of our results, especially my wife's. My knee overall feels much better than before the procedure, my wife is doing incredible and she had a serious issue while mine was more modest.
     
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  2. Posture Guy

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    drak.....great to hear about both you and your wife.

    In conjunction with my regenerative medicine guy, we're going to do some stem cell work on my right knee. He's a bone marrow guy, extracts it, then you hang out for 45 minutes while they process it, then he injects it in. Usually does 2-3 injections spread about a month apart. He's giving me a professional discount, should work out to about $800 per injection.

    I asked him what physical limitations I'd have afterwards and he said "basically none. For a day or two take it easy, after that if you want to play tennis, go play."

    He combines the stem cell stuff with PRP and then ozone and a few other things. Has a great rep in the field, was approached by the Regenokine folks in Europe to be a licensed provider of their stuff here in the USA (they did Kobe Bryant's knee treatments, for example). Interesting how different providers have different protocols. All this stuff is pretty early stage.
     
  3. drak

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    keep us posted on how that goes, the adipose (fat) vs bone marrow debate is interesting, no clear winner yet though I think bone marrow may have the lead and I think it does depend on what body area is being treated and what one is trying to accomplish.
     
  4. Posture Guy

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    Ok, had my PRP/stem cell procedure today, using bone marrow extract.

    Holy crap! When I got prolo on my knee it was a little sore but nothing major. This? My knee is NOT happy right now. Feels somewhat similar to what it felt like walking back to my car after my meniscus surgery a couple of years ago. He put a LOT of stuff into the knee. Injected the platelets, the stem cell extract from the bone marrow, some other stuff he uses in his PRP cocktail, then he always uses ozone for reasons I'll write about later, and then we talked about it beforehand and he gave me a gift as a professional courtesy, he added HGH to the mix as well. We brought out all the big guns.

    Came back to the clinic to take one last client for the day and then I'm out of here to hit the gym to get on a recumbent bike and do some VERY gentle pedaling before this knee completely locks up.

    It's gonna be a fun few weeks, and by fun I mean somewhat miserable. Can't wait to get to the other side.
     
  5. drak

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    post 24 hrs after my stem cell/PRP my knee was killing me, I could hardly sleep that night. Doc told me to get and take pain killer right away, I waited too long. Fortunately within 24 hrs it was only a little sore. My wife who had hers 2.5-3 weeks post surgery had several weeks of quite a bit of pain that gradually subsided. I attribute hers to having had surgery and the immune and healing reaction really hitting hard. Good luck and keep us posted!
     
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    yeah, my doc didn't give me any pain killers. Said they'd call it in if I needed it. I took a couple Tylenol last night and slept ok, but this thing just kicked my butt. And it's weird, this morning my whole body feels inflamed, like I'm running a slight fever.

    On the way home last night I hit the gym and spent 10 minutes on the bike, then this morning did 10 very gentle minutes on the rebounder, a fraction of what I normally do, and then 5 minutes on the bike. Knee isn't feeling great, but it's way better than last night. Still feeling kind of wiped out. Honestly, if I'd known it would be like this I would've cleared my clinic schedule today and just stayed home and taken it easy.

    One thing that seems to be helping, I found an old Nikken magnetic knee wrap that also purports to have material that reflects body heat back as far infrared. We got it for my wife many years ago after a knee surgery and it actually seemed to help. The doc recommended I keep the knee warm all night, like wrapping it in a heating pad set on low. I didn't want the cord disturbing my sleep so I tried the knee wrap and it felt really good to put it on. Maybe placebo, I dunno. Knee felt a LOT better this morning. After the time on the bike this morning I put the wrap back on and I'm just gonna leave it on all day.

    I think tomorrow I won't have this fluey feeling I have now. A little tough to maintain mental focus.
     
  7. SteveI

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    Good Morning Sir:

    Hope all is going well. Any updates to share? Been following this thread and thanks to all that added to this great info.
     
  8. Posture Guy

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    after a few days I was back to feeling like myself, knee just feeling a little achy. After 4-5 days I was feeling great and the knee was feeling like it did before the injection. I'm spending 10-15 minutes a day on a recumbent bike most days, 10 minutes on a soft-bounce rebounder (The Cellerciser) most days as well. Went to the courts for the first time yesterday with my ball machine to just do some light hitting, no running around. Felt fine.

    My doc told me I'd be cleared to play singles tennis after two weeks, but that admittedly there was a widely varying difference of opinion between practitioners as to how much down time one needed to give the injection best advantage to do its thing. Some do what Drak's doc did, basically tell you to take 4-6 weeks off. Some go further, actually put you on crutches with no load bearing. My doc says to take it relatively easy, just normal day to day activities for 2 weeks. Given that it's almost December and I hate playing in the cold, right now it's easy for me to take some additional time off from matches. I might start playing some doubles here in a week, but will probably hold off on singles until after Christmas. Thank goodness for the ball machine.

    Not sure how Drak's guy does it, but mine does a series of these injections, usually 2-3. His next opening was in February but we're hoping for a cancelation in early January for the next one so they'd be about 6 weeks apart.
     
  9. drak

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    we did just one injection, the stem cell are supposed to work for up to a year, however I have seen other procedures where they do the initial stem cell/PRP and then do another one or two PRP only follow up injections 4 or so weeks after the initial.

    Posture Guy, was the bone marrow extraction painful?
     
  10. Posture Guy

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    My guy does the PRP AND stem cell injection 2 to 3 times. Don't remember if I mentioned this, but he can also add in HGH though that bumps the cost up another $300. He put it in mine as a professional courtesy. My cost per injection is about $1,100.

    The bone marrow extraction wasn't particularly painful when he did it, but it was a bit sore for a week after. Weird to hear a drill bit whirring away and know it's sinking into your pelvis.
     

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