Another possible reason why Federer smashed his racquet

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  1. BreakPoint

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    I think another possible reason why Federer smashed his racquet during his match in Miami against Djokovic was that in hitting that easy short forehand into the net may have reminded him of a similar short forehand that he netted on match point against Nadal at Wimbledon '08 which cost him dearly and the loss of his beloved Wimbledon crown as well as forever ending his hopes of breaking Borg's record by winning an unbreakable 6th consecutive Wimbledon.

    I think bringing back that awful memory just pushed him over the edge and he finally had to let out all his frustration.

    Take a look:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et_o9mjjc-c&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9X48FqmoJI
     
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  2. Jchurch

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    That explanation actually makes quite a bit of sense.
     
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  3. tudwell

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    I think his racquet was talking smack. He had to put it in its place.
     
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    I think he really felt like he wanted to smash his racquet when he lost at Wimbledon, but of course he couldn't do it then on Centre Court in front of the royal box and Bjorn Borg and everything, and his reputation would have gone down the toilet in an instant. So he held it in all of these months and when that short forehand went into the net, all those bad memories of that Wimbledon loss came back into his head which spelled the beginning of the end for him so he could no longer hold it in any more and finally lost control.
     
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    A bit like the economists! Once they have the facts, they always weave a compelling story to explain them.
     
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    i believe he thinks, damn it, easy forehand into the net below the tape, smash the racquet...in an intense match, who the hell thinks about some stupid crap point way back, i mean, really?
     
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    "Stupid crap point"? That match point at Wimbledon could possibly have been the most important point in his life. Especially if he never wins another Grand Slam and never breaks Sampras' record. I wouldn't be surprised if he has nightmares replaying that match point in his head all the time.
     
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    Probably wouldn't have broke on grass. He needed to obliterate that thing on something hard.
     
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    the time b/t the unforced error and the smash is less than a second...what was in his head you think?
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    The time between the missed shot and smashing the racquet was actually 2 seconds. He misses the shot at 0:18 and smashes his racquet at 0:20 in that video clip above.

    In any case, you only need a split-second to have a flashback.
     
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    I've never actually smashed a racquet myself, so I can't really tell. But I think he probably thought he needed to punch something or throw something...That happens to me. And maybe he thought about it, and then decided that "hells yea I'm gonna destroy my racquet!"
     
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    He did it just becuase he kept missing routine shots.
     
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    It's an interesting theory. I've been thinking about this for a while now. It seems that losing recently in Slam finals to Nadal, he has had no outlet for the anger and frustration he must have felt. I feel like he's bottled it all up and it's affecting his game. Perhaps he needs to have a bit of a rage moment and just let it all out.

    Still given that I don't know Fed and know little about him this is all pure speculation on my part. I think perhaps this is how I would feel and as such I'm projecting it on to him. It does look eerily similar to that point at Wimbledon though.
     
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    Nice theory, those 21,423 posts must teach you something.

    I think it's good that he's vented some anger on court. And he really annihilated that racquet... Safin would've been proud of that effort!
     
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  15. Richie Rich

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    sure thing, BP. only 1 person knows the real reason.
     
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  16. janipyt05

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    man when i heard Fed smashed his racquet i thought it was some small hitting of the racquet but he really did out his back into that smash, bless he was mad, people get upset so that's how he vented
     
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  17. Ocean Drive

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    haha, why the hell would he think back to that and smash it because he "couldnt at wimbledon" although he apparently wanted to? what a ridiculous theory, you must be bored out your skull break point.

    thanks for the laugh though.
     
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    haha i know!
     
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    BP, you may be right. It is obviously a result of continued frustration of his game leaving him at just the wrong time. He has made a career of "changing gears" at just the right moment. But just think, what happens when you fail to execute. You earn the short ball and then miss it. This is amatuer level misses and he knows it. Earning the chances and blowing them. Its like needing to birdie the last two to make the cut and you hit it inside 6 feet both times and miss. Wow, that will get a putter broke more than anything else.

    I think this is exactly what is going on in his head. He knows he can beat these guys, heck he earns the short ball all the time. But, when he misses or gets passed it really effects his confidence.
     
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    You miss the point. Feds game is built upon earning the short ball. He used to S/V often. But his game has transformed into a baseline game where one of two things are going to happen in his mind. One, he hits the winner. Two, he forces a short ball. On the short ball it is a matter of executioning the put away. Its an easy ball. Not a passing shot going 70 mph!

    I don't necessarily believe it was THE shot at wimby, but its a trend he feels. If he can't execute on the earned easy balls he knows he is cooked.

    His interview after the match was very telling. He was VERY frustrated, and you could tell it was a culmination of times past.
     
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  21. Ocean Drive

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    The point I am saying is that.....HE MISSED A SHOT AND GOT ANGRY....

    You guys read waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into this it's unreal...hahaha
     
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    I just would go with the obvious, he was mad at himself and smashed the racket.
     
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  23. bladepdb

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    False.

    Yes it absolutely was important to him and it was a tremendous loss and blow to his morale. However, he won USO later that year. Not a deal-breaker apparently. Only fortified a mental block against Nadal.
     
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    Hindsight is 20/20 lol.
     
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    Almost a carbon copy forehand! Interesting comparing the two but i think he was just so enfuriated at netting a ball that he can normally put away with ease.
     
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  26. sureshs

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    I have a different theory. I think this is Fed's new strategy of lowering public expectations about himself. Show himself as human, and drop hints that if he wanted to, he could win everything, but he loses concentration because of Mirka and the baby.
     
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    At that particular moment I almost wanted to break one of my own racquets. The level of play was so bad from both sides.
     
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  28. AprilFool

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    Exactly. The one that stands out for me was being at the net with plenty of time and hitting the ball long. That was just ugly.
     
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    Wait...you're not blaming this on his "mono"???
     
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    He seemed to rebound from that pretty well at the US Open.
     
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    Forget about the match point. I keep thinking about the break point at 4-3 in the 5th. If only Federer had converted that one, I believe he'd be Wimbeldon champion today. Of course, asking Federer to convert break points these days is too much.
     
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  32. sureshs

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    Only mono Fed's got is monomania :)
     
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    I think you've seen one too many Lost episodes :)
     
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    That's interesting since I always thought Federer does not have such a big confidence in hitting short flat forehand. He tends to give lots of topspin for short forehand finishers (to avoid hitting short flat ones). That was more prominent in his early days. That made me think he had basic clay courters framework in his game when I first saw him playing around 2000.
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    What does winning the US Open have to do with never breaking Borg's 5 straight Wimbledon record and the loss of his beloved Wimbledon champion's crown? He was the King and he was dethroned - cardigan, blazer, slacks, and all. That's extremely hard for him to face. That has got to be the most devastating moment in his career. Don't forget that he places Wimbledon WAY above any other tennis tournament.
     
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    Roger smashing his racket

    You have to admit Roger is the only player who can look elegant smashing a racket! I think it's time he did that. I believe the horrors of the past year came to him and I believe from now on we'll see the old Roger Federer.
    Yes Wimbledon came back, so did Toronto, Cincinnatti, Madrid, the Masters and Aussie Open. And of course Indian Wells all in that one action.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    Mono started the beginning of the end for him. He has never been the same player after getting mono. It's obvious for everyone to see. I think mono effectively ended his career, as it did to Ancic. Now Federer is just hanging on.

    I think if Federer had never contracted mono, his results would have been very different for the past 15 months. Look, he went from winning Grand Slams and Masters Series and Master's Cup events like they were going out of style before mono to winning only one Grand Slam and NO Masters Series nor Master's Cup AT ALL after mono. How can anyone say there's no correlation?
     
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    To have a correlation, you need a sample of size N. If N = 1, you have a single case, an anecdote. You can theorize all you want, but you can't speak about correlations. So yeah, I say there is no correlation, only a possibility.
     
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  39. Ocean Drive

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    because he has been playing crap and losing lately and has been a shadow of his former self the past year or so?

    HE IS NOT HAPPY
     
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    lol. this thread is hilarious.

    if fed had thrown all his shirts, wristbands, racquets . . . . everything he had in his bag, into the stands as he walked off the court, someone on here would be hypothesizing that he was on his way to bear cut bridge to jump off.
     
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  41. Morrissey

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    He broke his racquet because he played like absolute ****.


    Oh wait, that makes too much sense to be the reason why right?
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    I also cited Ancic as another example.

    You don't go from playing amazing tennis to playing crappy tennis after a physically debilitating illness and say that illness had nothing to do with it.
     
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  43. bladepdb

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    He seems to be putting quite a stock into chasing the 14 Slams now. I'm not trying to undermine the significance of Wimbledon to him, but rather I'm pointing out that it was not the end of the world for him. I don't see it as something he gets haunted by in the middle of a deciding set of a Masters event...maybe if it was at Wimbledon again, sure.

    Who says he's playing crappy? He's still playing better than 99% of the field out there; reaching QFs & SFs consistently is not the sign of a crappy player.
     
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  44. AprilFool

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    LOL. But then there would be nothing to argue about, no?:-?
     
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  45. PimpMyGame

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    I think the racket break was more to do with overall pressures than the flashback to 1 point. Clearly the point BP refers to may well go down in history, but look at the facts.

    First he got mono then lost his Wimby title followed soon after by losing his #1 position. Now he has a gaggle of players after him and suddenly everyone has worked out how to play him, aided by his lack of confidence and form.

    Finally, he's going to be a dad for the first time. I remember what that was like, I was scared witless. If I was playing tennis at that time in my life I would have burned any rackets that didn't break.

    Interesting theory but reasons for the breakage were more of a culmination of things happening to him that he feels he has no control over, IMHO.
     
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    "Crappy" by Federer's standards. When your standard is winning 3 Grand Slams and 5 Master's Series and the Master's Cup every year, then anything less is "crappy" (in this case, MUCH less). It's all relative.
     
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    So why no racquet smashes last year? He didn't have any results to brag about until USO.
     
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    Oh and after closely looking at the two clips you linked (I was going by memory), it looks like the Wimby shot was more a routine rally shot whereas the Djoko match shot was an aggressive approach/winning shot. For one thing, at Wimby Fed was just barely on the baseline having leapt in on a mediocre shot by Nadal that wasn't very deep, and at Miami he was well inside the baseline (approaching service line) when hitting that.
     
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    No, I don't think so. Doesn't mean it may not be true. But I think Fed just played horribly and just had to let out his frustration. It was ready to go, so any bad points would have driven him to smash his racket. It just happened to be a similar shot. I don't think Fed thought about what you speculated at that moment in time but then again we will never know.

    But I am happy that he at least showed some strong emotion for once. At least I am hoping that he is saying to himself that he's sick of playing crappy tennis and sick of all the crappy results that he had in 2009, by his standards. Hey I hope the guy gets back to the drawing board and retool his game so that he could be more competitive by committing fewer errors, be more patient when the conditions is poor, and focusing on the match.

    Fed was certainly not the problem solver that I was accustomed to watching before. He was just plain pathetic. I hope he's sick of being pathetic and really gives his game a kick in the *** to get it going.

    For me to read that Fed was glad the hardcourt season is over so that he can look forward to clay is not a good sign for Fed's game. I just have a bad feeling about his game, physically and mentally. I hope I am wrong.
     
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  50. BreakPoint

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    I haven't seen him miss an easy short crosscourt forehand approach shot into the net just like the one on match point at Wimbledon until now.

    Besides, the AO was too big a venue to display his anger. Huge stadium with lots more people in the audience and millions more watching on TV on a Sunday. In Miami, there were far fewer people in the audience and even fewer people watching on TV on a Friday afternoon. In any case, it takes a while to blow up a balloon before it finally can take no more and it explodes.
     
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