Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Claudius, Sep 15, 2013.
Kinda surprised there isn't a BB thread yet. Season 5 part 2 has been insane so far!
The culture has gone in a new tangent --- bad guys versus worse guys (BB, Sopranos, Dexter, Ray Donovan...) --- probably a reflection of our politics.
My favorite series ever!
Haven't started watching the last section of season 5 yet though.
Really enjoy the show, but can't empathise with the characters and find the show impersonal. I admire it greatly from a sort of distant position, where as there have been other shows that gripped me on an emotional level much more deeply.
How crazy was last night's episode? Best BB episode ever..hell best episode in television history? Bryan Cranston just won another emmy.
I came into work desperately wanting someone else to understand how crazy last night's BB was...but all my fellow playtesters are either non-BB fans or seasons far, far behind!
Love this show, love the cast, love the characters and character development and it takes place in my old stomping grounds (so it's fun for me to see Albuquerque, and as they always say, the city has become a character of its own)! I think the show has done well being consistent throughout, it's just insane to see the direction Walt has gone in (although it is called Breaking Bad for a reason and last night we saw the LIE that started it all), and to me, how Jesse has worn his heart on his sleeve (in his own way) throughout the series.
Last night was INTENSE -- the part between Skyler and Walt on the phone really got me! Only two more episodes left!?!
P.S. I met Bryan Cranston last year and he is an amazingly smart, witty, and nice guy! Great actor, really cool personality!
What is funny is I thought that Breaking Bad was sort of a comedy before I started watching it a few months ago. High school Chemistry teacher makes meth. Anyway, after years of hearing how good it was, someone forced the first three seasons dvds on to me. I watched all three over two weekends. Borrowed the other seasons the next week and finished them off before catching up to the first half of this season On Demand. It is actually weird having to wait a week in between episodes.
At first I liked Walt, hated Jesse, and disliked Skylar. Then, I liked Walt, liked Jesse, and hated Skylar. Then I hated Walt, liked Jesse and liked Skylar. Then I liked Mike and really hated Walt. My hatred for Walt got so bad at the end of last season and first part of this season that thought I needed to stop watching altogether. I didn't.
Last night's episode was really good. I honestly have no earthly idea how it is all going to end. Unlike other good shows that disappoint everyone with their endings, I believe BB will leave everyone stunned and numb as the final credits roll. My guess is that Walt is going to get what is coming to him but he will sort of repent and redeem himself as a human before it ends. Or he will at least be seen in a sympathetic light at the end.
Better Call Saul.
what is exactly good about this show ? HS teacher makes meth to make extra buck. nothing new there.
I dont know anything about the show, but is meth really want Americans have turned to for entertainment?
Yep, same old, same old! Hence all the awards and fans!
It isn't just a "meth" show...but more of a normal, everyday guy living life day to day who ends up with a life-threatening disease with a year to live and is worried how he is going to leave his family -- a wife, teenager with cerebral palsy and baby on the way...
And it goes from there! Gotta watch it to get it...it isn't for everyone though.
The writing is pretty brilliant, in my opinion, but that's just me. Vince Gilligan has done a great job with this one.
I love BB and have watched since season 1. Last night's episode was so intense. Sadly, I don't have any fellow fans at work to discuss it with.
Walter White/ Heisenberg is an incredible character. I think he's going to go full circle in the end. I think he will redeem himself so that his family can have a life. But I'm sure the final episode will have twists and turns. I really disliked Skylar in beginning, but I've come to like her.
Probably. My #1 before would have been the series finale of Six Feet Under but I think this episode is better.
Skyler should not of betrayed Walt. His brother in law the dea agent should of let it go after he learned Walts cancer is back. He gets what he gets. It was ego that made him pursue Walt even when he knew Walt was out of the biz and dying. Deserved to be shot. Walt needs to go merc all the **** crazies for stealing his money and then shoot Jesse pinkman himself.
Found seasons 1+2 to be the best but these final few eps are quite exciting to see for us long time fans! Although the end is largely set up now, it's very interesting to watch Walter's character take this last step and fulfill the title of the show. I don't know of any show which has transformed its protagonist from anti-hero to outright villain so expertly(or any that have even attempted to do so).
In other words: The disillusionment of the American Dream. Breaking Bad is the epitome of the guilty pleasure!
Got to catch up by buying all the DVDs on amazon or the bay
So I have missed 2 eposides so far of season 6 right. Perhaps, I can dvr all of season 6.
Skylar didn't betray Walt? The hank comment is laughable. Jesse doesn't deserve to get shot. C'mon man!
Ding, ding, ding
I never thought Walt actually would make the full turn to the bad side! Throughout this whole last season, (even in Sunday's) I've been in slight doubt that he's authentically this evil version of himself. Hearing him speak to Skyler the way he did...I thought it was some con and part of his master plan...but it seemed pretty real to me! I guess when he put the hit on Jesse, I realized Walt has definitely turned for the worst.
Can't wait for next Sunday!
(I think most of the seasons are on NetFlix as well for anyone needing to do some catch up work)
And now I'm craving a breakfast burrito from Twisters, or as you guys know it as, Los Pollos Hermanos!
My wife made and interesting observation (Yes, Batman is married. Sorry, ladies!) about that specific phone conversation:
Walt specifically asked if the police were there, knowing they would be there, and knowing Skylar would lie about it. Knowing the police would be recording the call, because of the Amber alert (which was part of his plan, to involve the police), he had to create the impression like he was speaking frankly and privately with his wife. Once this scenario was credible to the police, he could essentially indict himself while indemnifying Sklyar and his family by saying things like (paraphrasing): you wanted me to stop, but it wasn't you, you didn't know anything, it was me. I did this. If my memory serves me, Skylar even picked up on this and cryptically thanked him for his sacrifice, by saying, thank you.
It wasn't so much a genuinely evil Walt, but Walt being the most logical choice for a fall-guy, and that play being the only real one left to give his family a shot at life after his passing. Even the hit on Jesse was ultimately for his family.
I mean, that is what the whole show is about: Walt attempting to care for his family after being bankrupt and killed by a sickness. The threads of social commentary, and how ridiculously ***-backwards the US healthcare system is with perspective to the rest of the modern world, were thickly present in the beginning of this series, and still rear their ugly head even as the series is ending.
Breaking Bad communicates some of the most genius and provoking social commentary I've ever see, and does so without being preachy.
It was obvious that the phone conversation between Walt & Skylar was Walt's attempt to keep her out of it and lead the police to believe that she was an abused wife. That allows her to have a life and maintain a relationship with her sister. Walt is still trying to take care of his family.
Was the purpose of this post really to point out that, that was obvious to you?
Skylar would not listen to Walt and slashed him with a knife.
Hank while being a dea agent did not have to arrest Walt. Walt was out. He is family. It was hanks crazed desire to get heizenberg that got him killed. What did he expect? If he plays with fire expect to get burned. Walt even gave up ALL his money to try to save hank.
Jesse was a weak pos and Walt needs to just put him out of his misery. He threatened Walt's family.... Jesse was always the weak link.
Walt has done some pretty evil stuff for sure, but I'm not fully on board with people who say he's a completely unsympathetic villain at this point.
Every time the show gives you a reason to hate Walt, it also gives a moment of redemption.
Obviously Walt's most human moment in the last episode was when he was willing to give up all the money he made to save Hank.
People act as if it was so terrible for Walt to wrestle with skyler, but she pulled the knife on him. Considering she believed he killed Hank, its understandable why she would do so, but Walt couldn't just let himself be stabbed.
Walt steals Holly, but to me, this is an act of desperation, not malice. He has just realized in that moment that he has absolutely no family left. Hank is dead, Marie hates him, and, now, so do his wife and son. Holly is the one family member he has who doesn't understand what he has done and now hate him for it. He thinks, maybe, he can raise her and have some sense of family.
Finally, in his phone call to Skyler, he claims all responsibility for his crimes and exonerates his wife completely. He still cares about his family.
Obviously Walt does horrible things that make us angry with him or even dislike him, but we still have some sympathy for him. We may even still be rooting for him to some extent.
No, it wasn't finished and I submitted in error. I can't edit or delete my posts. I was on my lunch hour and had to leave for a meeting.
Just one more ep. to go. It's a shame how various characters in this show have been underdeveloped (particularly Gus Fring) but it is what it is.
Looking forward to the series finale.
Ahhhh! Just one more!!
And how Bryan Cranston didn't get the emmy last night is still baffling me more than how the show will end!
If Walt fails at the end I will go burn down the TV station.
Yep, this is one of the best shows on TV. Great viewing. But I am only starting season 4.... I don't want to know what's happening already in season 5! :evil:
Then don't read the thread...
Anybody watching the show, about the show .. "Talking Bad"? I loved in particular, a point that a savvy viewer recently texted in. Ever notice that when Walt lies to the male cast members he's completely believable? You don't know when he's manipulating Jesse if what his intentions are, what his angle is, if he's telling the truth or not. You might sense that he's "working" him, but there's an element of sincerity, and believability to it.
Yet when he lies to Skylar he's a bumbling, completely transparent idiot with no subtlety at all? Recall the whopper about spilling gas on his shirt at the pump as an excuse for why the entire house is soaked by gasoline. Oh ... and also and the very nervous explanation about why he needs to go open the vending machine at the car wash to retrieve the frozen gun. Just so many layers of subtlety there to notice with this show, so well conceived and executed. Don't know what I'm going to do when its over !!!
Don't watch Talking Bad but I did watch Conan and the entire episode was about Breaking Bad, from the opening scene, title card, all the guests and even the musical acts.
It was awesome. If anybody missed it and wants to see it, Conan's website has full episodes a few days after they air.
Anyway they mentioned there will be a 2 hour documentary on the DVD which includes Cranston and Paul doing the read thru for the final episode together. It will be awesome to see them reacting to it as all is revealed, just like the viewer.
Hmm yeah, that surprised me as well as the live audience. I thought he was a lock for that award. Still, it does nothing to undermine his terrific performances throughout the whole tenure of the show.
Anyone else see this?
I was watching an old episode last night and thinking, Saul deserves his own show. Great news.
Breaking Bad series finale day! B!tch!
My death predictions (let's be real; that's what the finale will be mostly)
The Schwartz (Ricin)
Todd, Uncle Jack and his White Supremacist gang (M60)
Either Jesse or Walt.
Very anxious to see what the final episode has in store for us. We know for sure that Walt makes it back home, the rest.....
Jessie survives and takes care of Todd, Uncle Jack and his White Supremacist gang
Skyler and son gain some insight and understanding of Walt's behavior
Incredible ending! Such a shame it's all over now. BB greatest show on TV ever.
Just watched the last one on Netflix..
Was great as always, would of been nice to know what happened to the family and Jesse now it was finally all over, but yeah.
It's over and it was excellent. Walt revealing his true motivation was great and the last moments with each of his kids was beautiful.
Only wish that Jesse made away with some cash.
Yeah, after the last two or so years that the show was set over, he probably deserved a bit
Wonder if Saul is running that Cinnabon he talked about, and how Walt jr reacted to his Dad dying after their last conversation on the phone.
There are a few more things i'd like to know, but it was still a good ending.
Pretty perfect ending for me!
I laughed, I cried, I ate green chile before watching it in honor of NM.
Loved the Badger and Skinny Pete cameo!
All day I kept saying how ****ed I'd be if Jesse died. And he didn't He is finally free and can go live his life! And he finally got Todd! I feel like throughout the whole show, Jesse never maliciously killed anyone the way he killed Todd last night (he's killed before, but it's been either out of necessity or accident more or less, right?).
Anna Gunn is MVP for me in the last half of this season, all of her scenes in the last several episodes have been so moving, last night included. Did anyone watch Talking Bad? She was great explaining it all.
There are a few what ifs and view points that could go one way or the other, but overall, Vince Gilligan is awesome and did a great job!
Bummed it's over, but glad it ended the way it did.
Just my two cents
I'll miss this show. Such an interesting concept. I loved the finale, especially when Jesse got the chance to kill Todd. Todd was a really creepy & disturbing character. Such a smooth talker. Walt freeing Jesse and finding a way to get money to his family was great. Sort of a redemption.
You'll probably appreciate this article: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/09/26/why-the-breaking-bad-finale-hit-anna-gunn-in-the-gut/
That's great -- thanks!
Yea, last night during Talking Bad, I think she finally looks (after a year of not being in production) back to herself! She didn't even look like Skyler last night when they were talking to her (during Talking Bad), whereas before, when she did press, I found her to be very similar to Skyler.
Gotta go read her op-ed now! (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0)
I never hated her character, but she certainly wasn't my favorite...however she became one of my favorites in this past season. Maybe because I see some similarities in her to my own Mom -- she will do anything to save her family and make sure they are ok...ANYTHING. She's smart, but emotional and so strong, even at her weakest moments. She did a great job (as they all did)!
What a great show. Gutted it's over, so many characters, twists and sub-plots combined with stunning acting and writing.
Dexter without the code . . .
Andrea suffered the worse fate, meet Jeese at a drug rehab meeting and good lord its makes you wonder how cruel a chance of fate meeing can be.
Best series ever. I like complex characters instead of cardboard hero/villain setups. Just as in real life, nobody is completely good or bad.
In the same sense, I was pleased with the treatment of The Governor in the last two episodes of The Walking Dead.
Big fan but almost gave up on the show when Walt got the real chemist fired to put Jessie back in the underground so he could cook with him. I just didn't get the "loyalty" thing. That was stupid and nobody in his right mind would do it. Now, a person on meth would do it because they have no sense...but Walt???
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