Any ideas on how to stop folks from overrating when self-rating?

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  1. g4driver

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    Update on these guys.

    Case 2: I played against this guy last week with in a round robin of 12 players. . In the opinion of four very active 3.5 players ( two who play tournaments, ladders and leagues) and two very active league and tournament 4.0 players, this guy is a mid level 3.0 at best. All six of these players hit with or against this guy.

    One 4.0 player is a Captain of multiple teams. His record this year is 29-5 in 4.0 Adult, 7.0, 8.0, 9.0 Mixed 7.5 and 8.5 Combo. He and I are adamant CASE 2 male is average 3.0 player best case.

    Case 1: worse tennis player I have ever seen considering this guy has been taking lessons for three years every week. He is clearly not cut out for tennis. Should have self rated at 2.0 clearly. Unfortunately he will never play on a 3.0 team unless he starts to practice those lessons. Horrible to watch. Worse to play with.
     
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  2. TomT

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    I don't think there's any way to stop anybody from overrating themself. But any supervised leagues, especially USTA leagues, correct this as results accumulate. Don't they?
     
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  3. Cindysphinx

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    Hey now. :)

    I guess I would say you have to realize that the computer isn't perfect. There will be oddities at the margin. Still, I would say the vast majority of my matches against other computer-rated 4.0s are competitive.

    Regarding singles/doubles . . .

    I barely win games off of singles players who are the same USTA level as me. I don't own the shots needed to win at singles. Similarly, many singles specialists I know are utterly hopeless at doubles. I haven't seen any of the players you describe, but it is dangerous business to suggest the singles players are better/stronger/should be rated higher.

    See, here's the thing. When I stagger out to the court to play singles, it is quite apparent to anyone with eyeballs that I am a hot mess. I make all sorts of footwork, tactical, shot selection, positioning errors. The ball goes whipping by me and it is 100% my own fault.

    When I play with inexperienced doubles players (perhaps even someone athletic who does very well in singles), she is often the hot mess. Bad footwork, tactical mistakes, shot selection glitches, positioning errors. We can be losing. But unless she hit the ball out or into the net, she will often have no idea that she did something that cost us the point.

    In singles, it is very apparent when you are bad. In doubles, it is much easier to think you are playing well when you are not because much of what you need to do correctly occurs when you are not hitting.

    That said, maybe the ladies you describe just suck. :)

    Cindy -- whose singles game is probably low 3.5
     
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  4. corbind

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    +1 on that
     
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  5. TomT

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    Me too, a few months ago (singles only) after not playing for about 40 years.

    As far as I know there's no USTA stuff in my area.

    I joined a nationwide flex league that recently extended to the Fort Lauderdale area, and am having lots of fun ... and steadily improving also, I think.
     
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  6. backttennis

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    I wish they had that in my area - what is the name of it? I have heard of K-Swiss and Ultimate Tennis, but as far as I know, they are not available where I live (CT.)

    Now that I've been back playing for about 6 months, I've been meeting people through my club and now play a lot of recreational singles matches - my favorite type of play anyway, as it's relaxed and we can play for hours!
     
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  7. beernutz

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    I think you're assuming too much. After I first self-rated several years ago I lost my first 6 league singles matches in a row. However, every single one of those players got bumped up at the end of that season and one of them got DQed before the season ended (so I guess I really didn't technically lose that one). I was competitive in every match though and only the guy who got DQed beat me in straight sets. I did not get bumped down.

    The NTRP computer takes into account the dynamic rating of the players you play against and the set scores.
     
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  8. backttennis

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    I think, as you said, the fact that you played close matches with players who had high dynamic ratings and were due to be bumped up helped. So your losses didn't matter, as you showed you were competitive at that level.

    If I had played all 3.5's and lost half my matches, I would not expect to be bumped down. It's the 3.0's and self-rated players in my draw who I think may put me on the edge.
     
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  9. TomT

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    It's in NYC, but not CT, as far as I know.

    Yeah, this partner program and league is pretty laid back and recreational. But you do post your scores online, and they do adjust your rating based on performance, which for me adds a bit of motivation to keep improving.
     
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  10. backttennis

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    Thanks - it looks like a very good program! I'll check that link occasionally to see if it comes to where I live.
     
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  11. ironicqueery

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    How do you appeal a UStA self rate ? I have a player who wanted to join my team who is having issues.
     
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