Any litigious forum readers out there?

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Fetus Gerulaitis, Sep 17, 2004.

  1. Fetus Gerulaitis

    Fetus Gerulaitis New User

    May 11, 2004
    A couple of months ago, I stopped reading this bulletin board because I felt that the majority of the posts were duplicative of others which have proceeded them (I also might be guilty of this) and that the vast majority of the opinions voiced were based on pure conjecture, without any basis in fact. That said, I returned today to check out the current state of the Tennis Warehouse Pros' Rackets and Gear forum and found that the same questions are being debated as those that were being discussed when I read the board previously.

    In any case, essentially a forum favorite is as follows: Federer appears in advertising and on the tennis court using a Wilson N-Code racket, however, he is, in fact, not using that racket at all and instead is using either a heavily modified version of the racket or another racket entirely, painted to look like the N-Code (i.e. a "paintjob").

    Based on my very weak understanding of a Complaint, which was filed against Nike, alleging that Tiger Woods was playing a golf ball, which was entirely different from the ball which he was endorsing at the time, it appears as though a similar Complaint could be filed against Wilson (or any other tennis racket manufacturer, which engages in this process). Essentially, the Complaint would allege causes of action similar to those set forth in the Complaint against Nike (my limited understanding of these causes of action leads me to believe that they sound in theories of Unfair Business Practices).

    In any case, a Complaint of this nature has been filed previously and, while I do not know the final resolution of that lawsuit, it appears as though it was entirely successful in forcing Nike to bring the Tiger Woods ball to the public. Perhaps a similar lawsuit, filed against Wilson, would achieve the same end.
  2. Shane Reynolds

    Shane Reynolds Rookie

    Feb 21, 2004
    and this would accomplish what? put a racquet on a few store shelves to sit there and get dusty? Can we have a log of buyers so I can seek some out in my area and watch them get abused on court trying to use such a heavy, small-headed frame?

    Has anybody considering starting an online petition asking Wilson for disclosure? No, you just want to whine about it on a message board and then try to stir up a lawsuit. I know there are a lot of guys playing with a NCode Tour who are missing out on their potential because they care more about the pats on the back online for the racquet they use rather than the quality of their play. I can play with a NCode Tour 90, but why would I want to? Is there a special bonus for fisherman who use paperclips for hooks and only bait them with chicken broth? Federer plays with what works for him, and I would hope some glorious day, we can get past the Paintjob debate and just play tennis.

    I know I probably made more of your post than you intended but I have a pretty good seat watching America self-destruct due to lawsuits and it disgusts me. All that would come out of a lawsuit against Wilson would be rich lawyers and the introduction of the $400 Surge racquet.
  3. Richie Rich

    Richie Rich Legend

    Feb 24, 2004
    Shane, I think you are missing the point. I agree with you that very few people could play with a Pro's spec racquet. Like you, I can hit with the ncode 90 very well - for about 1/2 an hour. Way out of my league. However, I think the point of the first post was that racquet companies are saying that pro's are using the same racquets and technologies that you and I buy off the shelf when they are not using anything like the stock racquet. Most are using racquets 5-10 years old, or older (like the Tour 90 painted PS 85's TW had a few days ago). Plain and simple - They are deceiving the public. Even if you can't play with the pro's stick you should be given the opportunity to buy it and know that the pro advertising the racquet uses it.

    I hate it when Head claims all their players are using LM racquets when most are using original PC's, PT280's, or other older frames. They refuse to admit this while there are pics all over the place of painted LM on the racquets. Don't say that Kuerten, Safin, Grosjean, Sheuttler, and others use LM sticks when they do not.

    I think the racquet companies should just admit this, produce the pro spec sticks, wait until people try them and realize most can't hit the pea sized sweet spot more than 2 out of 100 times, and come out with a lighter, more user freindly version of the pro racquets for the rest of us.
  4. mary fierce

    mary fierce Banned

    Mar 11, 2004
    If you're in a mood to organize, the best way to change a corporation's behavior is a boycott. So now you need to convince everyone in this forum, and many others, that they should only buy ProKennex or whatever, as we all know that Wilson, Prince, Head, etc. participate in misleading behavior. It may be difficult to persuade all those people that they've actually suffered any harm as a result of the advertising.
  5. BLiND

    BLiND Hall of Fame

    Apr 18, 2004
    Manchester, UK
    While it does not really bother me too much... Lying is lying... and especially when your making money from a lie, its just wrong, and they should be forced to tell the truth.
  6. Prostaffer

    Prostaffer Semi-Pro

    Sep 13, 2004

    look....i'm going to say this and say it again as i have for the millionth time.

    store ncode is not the same as federer's racquet. no he's a pro. he's earned the right to use what he wants.

    is it entirely different? i've seen the damn things, and where they're made. they're close. you'd be surprised how close. that's all i can say now stop being know-it-all nuisances.

    as for lying is lying.....if i make a cookie and put one chocolate chip in the dough and sell you the cookie with that one chocolate chip in it, advertising it as a chocolate chip cookie is that lying?
  7. chaduke

    chaduke New User

    Sep 7, 2004
    As convenient as it would be to know that you're getting the same exact racket your favorite pro uses, what happens when a manufacturer pushes out a million units and then a few months later that pro decides he wants to use something different? Its not like they're going to recall them. Even for the largest, most profitable manufacturers, I can't see how maintaining the exact specs of what their endorsed pros use would even be feasable.
  8. Radical Shot

    Radical Shot Semi-Pro

    Feb 22, 2004
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  9. Aoya

    Aoya Rookie

    Jun 4, 2004

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