Any Marathoners here?

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  1. progman_2000

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    This is a huge weekend for marathons - anyone else here running one?

    Me = New Jersey marathon
     
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    I am building up my distance slowly. Perhaps will run a 26 miler some day.


    Running in tennis sneakers - haha - great line. Just took a peek at the top entry. Your mileage is pretty low.
     
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    I did the Richmond Marathon back in 2002. It's either running or tennis for me these days, not both.

    Running was a lot better for my knees than tennis!

    Good luck in your race.
     
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    Hey Sentinel - yeah, first marathon, peaking at 47 mi p/w is as much as I can handle right now working full time, 2 kids, plus playing tennis in 2 leagues! To answer your question, my last 20 was in about 3:15, however the goal with any training program is to leave the speedwork out for the long stuff, time on your feet is more important so they should be done slowly. I do hill work and am saving intervals for the 2nd time around :)
     
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    I agree with this as well - my knees bother me most lately when I am running with a racquet in my hand
     
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    I ran my first 5k a week ago... does that count?
     
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    I'm planning to run a marathon in October.
     
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  8. progman_2000

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    Congrats GPB, that absolutely counts :)
     
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    Good luck progman! hopefully the weather will be kind! I ran the Miami Marathon 2 years ago thinking it would be easy enough bc its all flat running with scantily clad latin go-go dancers dancing on the street cheering you on... unfortunately the weather thought otherwise... torrential rain for the 1st 3 miles soaked my socks (my brand new extra thick thorlos) which led to raisin feet and once everything was dry shredded my feet which led them to bleed and looking like i ran over a cheese grater. The water also finally seeped down enough to permanently ruin my mp3 player at mile 8 so I was forced to run most of the race without music (i usually let my mp3 player set my pace with a mix of 60% med temp, 25% slow temp, 15% fast tempo, all on shuffle intermixed my fiance' cutting a few short tracks of inspirational messages which i totally didn't ask her to do, she just hijacked it the night before). There was a nice 2 mile stretch of mini bridges which the running surface was metal grates which proved to be extremely slippery after the rain. Needless to say 4 and a half hours later i finished. I wasn't alone with the foot situation, a friend of mine ran the last 3 miles barefoot, and the kenyan who won, ran half the race without shoes as well. I would go on to run the next years in under 4 hours with much better weather. Not complaining, bc I can't fathom doing the race with hills... May the wind be at your back!
     
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    Progman, great blog, if you ever start feeling a bit winded during the race just remember a few things...

    "pain is weakness leaving the body"
    "Good things come slow - especially in distance running."

    and finally... oprah winfrey ran a marathon in just over 4 hours... OPRAH... are you weaker than Oprah?
     
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    Thanks NotAtTheNet - yeah, looks like rain :cry:
     
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    I'm training for eventual marathon running. I usually do 10K runs for practice, and occasionally just keep going until I get bored. The longest run I've ever done is still only about 10 miles, though, and I was going pretty slowly, hehe. I could do a half marathon at this point, but my time would probably be abysmal (around 2 hrs).

    What would you all say is the better way to train; increasing distance first, then speed, speed first, then distance, or increasing distance and speed pretty uniformly?
     
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    You shouldn't focus on speed you should focus on intensity. You should run according to the desired intensity and build up mileage. As you get used to to the training your speed will gradually increase while your intensity stays the same. It's a great feeling.

    Intensity: e.g. recovery, easy, marathon pace, threshold, vo2 max.
     
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    Miles - if you want to build a base with the goal of starting a training program, increase your miles by 10% every two weeks with a once weekly long run (8, 10, 12, etc). Now is a great time to pick a goal Marathon for the Fall - you could work on building up your base and then start a more formal 12-18 week training program mid-late summer. There's a ton of them out there, I am using one of Hal Higdon's.
     
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    Thanks for the advice.

    I think I get the intensity vs. speed concept; I just need to figure out what my various intensity levels are, and which level to practice at.

    I've also read about this mile per week system. I'm curious as to the science behind it, because in lifting, you obviously push yourself to the limit in most sessions so as to maximize gains. If you're only supposed to do a long run once a week, then that would mean that the other runs would be pretty easy (3 or 4 miles). Is this tactic used to keep recovery time to a minimum and improve aerobic efficiency, or is it something else?
     
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    I don't subscribe to the theory that you should increase your mileage in linear fashion as you would need rest weeks and need to reduce mileage on weeks where you are introducing more intensity.

    The progression, for example, could look a bit like this: 50, 55, 63, 38, 63, 45, 70 with the general trend going upwards.

    The "rules" around increasing by a fixed % are a little misleading. Your injury risk doesn't increase just because you bump up mileage by 25% as long as you include rest weeks. Similarly you may injure yourself if increasing by 5% but adding 2 vo2 max sessions.

    You need more quality sessions than just one long run per week and recovery runs.

    I really recommend Advanced Marathoning by Pete Pfitzinger - if your finishing time is of interest.
     
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    Very good blog progman! Good luck again.
     
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    Thanks again, I'll check that book out. I like to be good at everything I do, so I am always looking for ways to maximize my performance and make the most out of time spent training.

    By the way, has anybody tried using these internet VO2 calculators? They seem like they can't be very accurate.
     
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    Well, the other runs will not all be short and easy. Please note that the long run typically is at a slow pace so it can be considered easy too. Other days may have medium mileage runs but faster.

    If Sunday is a 20 miler, other days can be 2-3 ten (or 12) milers alternating with easy 5-6 milers. The ten milers would obviously be faster. This assumes you are not just a marathoner but also are aiming for the 5k or 10k track/road, and a 80-100 miles per week total.

    That 20+ miler helps your body in learning to metabolize fat (as against carbs) which usually will not happen until you cross the 20-mile mark.

    IIRC, the sunday long run is typically 20-25% of the overall weekly mileage.
     
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    I ran a "mini" Marathon last week. Does that count?

    I don't really like to run just for the sake of running. I do love to run as long as its "to" something or "from" something. :) I just do it to stay in shape and running the Kentucky Derby Festival mini gets me in even better shape going into the summer. :)
     
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    Only if you're a dwarf.
     
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    ^^^^ HAHA. LOL. Nice to see some Hobbit humor here.
     
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    Well, I am kinda short. LOL 5'10" with "shoes" on. LOL Maybe if I was taller I could run a real marathon? Good one. :)
     
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    5'10" is a great height for marathoning - you're running out of excuses here buddy!! :)
     
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    How about it's too far! LOL I have plenty more excuses where that one came from too. :)
     
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    Congrats Paul on the 4:29. Loved the pics and posters your family made, and the tshirts of support they wore :-D

    The desc of the last 10k - making friends - all supporting each other sounds wonderful -- makes me wanna do a marathon.

    Did the toilet break have to do with carbo-loading by any chance ? I am told if you get it slightly early, your body starts unloading those carbs.

    The pic on the side, for a mo, I thought that was Joan Benoit *******en - heard of her ???

    Edit: omg, i can;t believe "s a m u e l" is banned on this forum. Must be some TW competitor.
     
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    Hey, thanks Sentinel. My chip time ended up being 4:27:26. I stuck another post on my blog this morning whining about my time :cry: . I am not sure if the toilet break was from carb loading or just general hydrating before the start (I tried not to drink for 45 minutes before the start but still needed to wash down a GU). In any case, next time I am water the lawns with everyone else instead of waiting for a port-o-john (I even saw a women do this in full view of everyone at mile 7, pretty funny). It's funny about that last 10k - I ran with a pace group for the first 3 hours that probably averaged about 50 people - we were all yucking it up, exchanging stories about each other, families, racing, etc. Having said that, the people I will really remember were the ones I talked to during the last 6 miles - you definitely bond quickly when you team up with someone else who is struggling like you are. I definitely recommend doing a 'thon if you are thinking about it, it was a great experience and won't be my last.

    Yes, I know who Joan Benoit is - she did run in the Olympic Trials, oldest female to do it if I'm not mistaken - she finished quite a ways from Deena Kastor though!

    Thanks for checking out the blog
     
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  28. Serve em Up

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    I'm signed up for a fall marathon. I'm currently up to 30 miles /week.
     
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    what marathon?
     
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    My last marathon was a 2:47 in Oakland....that was in 1982 when I was 20 years old, weighed 135 pounds and ran 60 plus miles a week....I was sick for two weeks afterwards and I never ran another one.
     
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  31. Serve em Up

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    Marine Corp

    Oct 26th.
     
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    I'm running my first long distance run May 18th. Bay to Breakers 12k. I'm still young but I've never been a long distance runner. I can't wait to test my body..btw i just started training lol
     
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    I knew there was another reason I didn't want to run a "full" marathon. :)

    Congrats Paul on running your marathon.
     
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    If all you take was take a leak, then thats not from carbo-loading. I meant taking a dump - sorry for the gory details :-D

    First of all, its great to hear that Joan Benoit is still running. Second, she was once a leading US marathoner and in 1984 won the Olympic Gold (iirc).
    Keep up the running !
     
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    I ran a 5k several years ago, finished in the top 20%
     
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    anyone run the Bay to Breakers? i had a blast this past weekend.
     
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    Hoo boy, I've been doing HIIT for the past week, and it is considerably tougher mentally than long distance running. I've had to cut back on my distance running because my right knee was getting a bit squirrely :(
     
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    I ran my first (and only) marathon at the First Annual Palos Verde Peninsula marathon in 1969 while I was a senior on my high school cross country team. Didn't finish...however, I'm more proud of riding (and finishing) the San Diego bi-centennial bicycle ride/race that same year in celebration of San Diego's 200th anniversary. Two hundred miles in 24 hours. That was a lot easier than the marathon.
     
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    I am 22 years old and want to run a marathon. I have never done any distance running before. How many months in advance should I begin training?
     
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  40. Serve em Up

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    Depends if you are currently a runner. I have read that marathons should not be undertaken by new runners until at least their second year of running. You need a good mileage base to strengthen your tendon and ligaments to handle the strain.

    Getting through training without an injury is a battle in and of itself.

    Try going to runners world magazine's web site. Use their smart coach training calculator. It will give you a good 16 week training plan.

    Better yet, join a running club. Many have Marathon training programs, or you can do a charity training program like Team in Training.

    Good Luck
     
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    If you're in decent shape enough already, its definitely plausible with a 6 month training regime barring injury. You have to really commit, almost all the training programs have you run 4-5 times a week, with increasing mileage, tempo runs, long slow runs, etc... a typical week routine would be like

    m - 5 miles
    t - 5 miles
    r - 9 miles
    f- 2 miles
    s - 4 miles

    sticking to the plan is essential.

    Injury is also a major issue, bc with the amount of mileage you're putting on your legs, shin splints, knee, ankle, and everything is at risk for injury so proper post run stretching (a good 20 minutes) is essential. Find out whether you pronate or supinate and buy the appropriate shoes for your gait cycle. Goto any running shop and have them analyze you, find out what they recommend, if its too expensive, walk down to sports auth. or runners warehouse and buy from there. If you like the shoes buy a couple pairs, you should really change shoes every 400-500 miles. The shoes might look new but the soles will have lost their support. also use your running shoes for running only. walking around in them just wastes the soles mileage. Its ok to wear them around for the 1st week to break them in but thats it.

    The hardest part for most peopel is the 17-18 mile wall when your body runs out of glycogen, maybe once you work into 14-15 mile distances, research gels and carbo loading to get you past that hump. hitting the wall feels like running in quicksand, no matter how hard you push, you feel like you're moving no where.

    Good luck, stay motivated and do it smart. if you can't do it, its not wussing out if you transfer to the half marathon. a full marathon is a beast upon itself and shouldn't be taken lightly even though oprah, katie holmes, and puff daddy ran them (that was my inspiration).
     
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    I think NotAtTheNet and ServeEmUp both gave great advice. Definitely make sure you get fitted with the right shoe, and try to follow a tried-and-try training plan. Runners World forum is an awesome reference - it is easily the Talk Tennis board of running. Training for and running a marathon if going to be ALOT easier for a 22 year old than for an old fart like me (40). Let us know how you do and good luck.
     
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    I've finished four marathons :) but the last one was in 1990 :( .

    Memphis X 3 and New Orleans X 1. Highly recommend both of them, with the caveat that its been almost 20 years since I ran either one.
     
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    I ran the LA when I was 12.
    Twas fun.
    However I did it entirely wrong. I ran the first 18 miles, then I couldn't raise my confidence enough to finish it. I walked until the 22 mile, than finished it after a little over 6 hours. I plan on doing it again next year, because I haven't run in 3 years.
     
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    I'm looking forward to my first in October. I had originally trained for one March 30th but I came down with Shin Splints really bad after a 20 mile training run right at the end of February.

    The Doc said I could run, but I didn't want to run my first marathon injured.

    I took two weeks off , then restarted at 20 miles a week. I'm up to low 30's weekly now. Hoping to stay healthy this time. I had a good 10K race in May. PR'd.

    Another couple weeks and I'm going to start doing some interval and LT runs.
     
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    I've done a half marathon, time wasn't particularly sexy.

    I have drunk 26 pints in one go too, does that qualify?;)
     
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    Fall marathons coming up - just found out I won't be doing NYC. Will probably run either Baltimore or Steamtown marathon - anyone else?
     
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    Philadelphia Marathon, November 23rd - who's with me?
     
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    How is running a marathon better on your knees than tennis? Constant pounding on the knees without a stop!
     
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    Running is fairly fluid and in one direction. Tennis there is a lot of sudden stopping, jarring and changing direction - mostly on a rock hard tennis court. That seems to cause me problems more than running 70 mile weeks on dirt.
     
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