Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by mikeler, Apr 17, 2009.
Aren't your picks American?
I'm with you on Ales. Never been a fan of lagers myself.
Ditto. I've found that lager yeast has a flavor profile that I just can't do - I have yet to find a lager that really gets me going.
No fan of Anchor Steam?
I've tried it a couple of times - it's OK, but it just seems to lack the oomph that I'm accustomed to.
Have to agree.
I've found that I've gone from enjoying many of the rich, higher ABV beers, to appreciating some of the more subtle lower ABV beers including some lagers.
The problem with lagers are that there are so many bad examples of them that finding a good one is like finding a diamond in the rough. But a good pilsner such as New Glarus Bohemian Lager is a sight to behold. So drinkable. Many Baltic Porters are very good, as well as some Schwarzbiers. Some people rave about doppelbocks but I can't get into that style.
Lagunitas Hop Stoopid Ale :grin: .... excellent.
I'm a fan of Lagunitas. I also like the name!
I really enjoy the Lagunitas Hairy Eyeball - great name, great beer. Most of their stuff has been really impressive.
I agree ... and their IPA is one of the best.
I love their IPA on tap much better than in the bottle. I'm a big fan of their Lil Sumpin Sumpin beer.
Just tried Lagunitas' Wilco Tango Foxtrot ... nice, dark (brown ale style) and smooth! That said, the Hop Stoopid has a better full flavor.
And, yes I also like Lag. IPA on tap better than in the bottle.
I enjoyed some Lil Sumpin Sumpin this weekend. I've also been drinking a lot of their Wilco Tango Foxtrot, Gnarly Wine and Cappuccino Stout. Lagunitas is probably my fave all-around brewer, as I've never really tried anything I didn't like (Brown Sugga isn't my fave but it's still a good beer). Also one of my favorite breweries to visit. The nice thing is that here in Cali, you can buy their IPA at Costco dirt cheap.
Agreed. Maximus is probably my favorite but I do love Hop Stoopid.
I'm in Oregon (good beer here too) and haven't seen Maximus. I'll keep an eye out for it.
Nothing good at our Costco's here.
So much beer, so little time. This thread has actually prompted me to create a list of beers to try:
Lagunitas Hairy Eyeball (this one goes on the list today)
I sometimes use this thread to search and see if I've tried a beer in the past. So many beers out there I forget.
haven't tried that one but the Lagunitas New Dogtown brew is very nice.
current IPA fave is Rocky Mountain IPA by FCB...tho the price is up there with DF 60.
Create a spreadsheet to track the beers you've tried, and whether you like them or not. Or if you're more hardcore, you can create an account and rate them at a site like ratebeer.com.
Both sound like too much work for me. TTW it is!
Speaking of Ratebeer.com, has anyone ever heard of/tried Sixpoint Bengali Tiger IPA?
Will try it tonight after work if the moons align...
No, haven't tried it. Looks like it's only distributed in New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania.
also a fan of Lagunitas...especially their prices.
I just went out and bought a six pack. I've had this beer before but it was at a tasting (late in the evening) so I don't remember it that well. The aroma made me think the beer might be too sweet. Reminded me of one of a malt heavy barleywine, focused on maple and caramel flavors. However, there was a nice hop bite which balanced it out somewhat.
Not my favorite, but still very drinkable and something I would definitely consider at $10.49 a sixer, which is a good bargain when compared to its competitors.
Well it was pretty good. I'm a Weisse fanatic, so I look for citrus and floral notes when I'm evaluating beer. This one definitely fit the bill.
I like a hint of citrus in certain beers.
I like a hint of citrus but only in wheat beers.
Yep, an orange slice in those makes them taste nice.
Big fan of Hoegaarden (didn't realize now owned by Anheuser Busch - another reason to visit Busch Gardens) and Sch'weat (Sweetwater - ATL)
SweetWater - Sch’Wheat American Wheat Ale. If that don’t slide past your uvula, we are sure this will! Delicate rays of citrus hop overtones transcend this easy drinking unfiltered wheat ale, creating an exceptionally quaffable experience. This year round beer is line priced with the rest of our year round lip smackin lineup. Available in both six packs and on draught
What?!?! Ok, now that I've picked myself up from the floor....What?!?!
Big fan of "Who-garden" too, but not their bottle size! :twisted:
Wow- doesn't AB make Bud Light Wheat or something like that? And Michelob has that other one that I can't remember the name of.
312 Urban Wheat?
Haven't been brave enough to try the Bud Light Wheat (although the early commericals were pretty funny). Probably tastes like crap. Have to admit when finding AB now owned Hoegaarden, it made me appreciate the beer a little less in my mind, and I bet the quality has gone down. I don't think you can strictly chase the dollar and make a great beer.
HoeG sort of tastes like fizzy water to me-not a lot of flavor. Different strokes, I guess. Of the mass-marketed Belgian beers, I tend to life Leffe the best.
Speaking of Belgians, some of my favorites out of Belgium are:
Saint Bernardus Abt 12, Dupont Avec les Bons Voeux, Chouffe Houblon Dobbelen, Westmalle Tripel, Girardin Black Label, Abbeye des Rocs Brune, Orval. Haven't yet been able to get my hands on Westvleteren.
For American belgians I think Ommegang, Boulevard, Russian River, and Lost Abbey seem to nail the style fairly well in general.
I haven't tried a huge amount of Belgians but I have enjoyed the Dupont and Chouffe selections you mentioned. As for American Belgians, I totally agree...really like Lost Abbey, Russian River and Ommegang's offerings.
Regarding Hoegaarden and Anheuser-Busch, the ownership is actually the reverse of what you guys think. InBev, (which absorbed Hoegaarden a few year back), bought Anheuser-Busch a few years ago in the largest all-cash deal ever. The new company is called ABI, but the global headquarters are in Belgium. Hoegaarden is not an ancient brand; it was actually the brainchild of Pierre Celis, who just died recently. He also founded the Celis brewery in TX.
Hoegaarden is one of those iconic beers that isn't just true to style--it established the style and is the benchmark against which others within the style are judged. (Sierra Nevada is that for American Pale Ales.)
InBev is the world's largest brewer. They dominate almost all of the large beer markets. Bud, Stella, Hoegaarden, Beck's, Bass, Leffe, Brahma, Quilmes, etc. They even own half of Modelo, which makes Corona.
It's a similar situation with Miller and Coors. They have joint venture in the US called MillerCoors, but the Coors side is owned by Molson-Coors, and the Miller side is owned by SABMiller, which is actually a South African company, but it's listed on the London stock exchange. SAB is similar to InBev--they own a lot of smaller local brands like Peroni and Pilsner Urquell, but their backyard is Africa, where they have something like a 90% share in several countries.
Then of course you have Sam Adams. They have a great story, but most of their beer is contract brewed by NAB (makers of cheap Genesee 30pks) and MillerCoors.
It's not like the macro brewers can't make great craft beer--they can make the best if they want to, it's just not their business model. Also, in the past they were afraid of leading people away from their core brands. Now they are contract brewing for, partnering with, investing in, or loaning money to craft brewers. The big guys have also had some success passing off their beers as craft beers. For instance, Blue Moon is a Coors product.
In the future, I see more and more craft brewers partnering with the big guys. Brewing is a very capital-intensive business. The craft guys have great brands and no capital. The big guys have lots of capital and few legit craft brands. A lot of this is already going on, but it's mostly behind the consumer's back. In the long run, I think this will have a positive impact on the quality and availability of craft beer. Most of the successful regional players can't afford to expand without help (like Terrapin, which just borrowed money from MillerCoors). And if a big brewer contract brews craft beer, you can bet it will be done with state of the art equipment, which produces better and more consistent results.
The other big trend will be craft brewers making each other's beer. It takes $4,000+ to get a truck of west coast beer to the east coast. The savings are huge if that beer can be made closer to the consumer.
OK, sorry for the long rant, but you guys love craft beer, so I thought you might be interested. The bottom line is that a lot of brands are brewed by or owned by companies that aren't listed on the bottle. In some cases, the result is faux craft beer like Blue Moon, but in most cases, the result is a great product. Let your taste buds be the guide. Don't be put off if the label says Anheuser-Busch. It might be a great beer. But also don't be fooled into buying Kroger's store brand of craft beer (Tap Room 21) because it's $1 cheaper. No telling where it is made....
Heading over to the beach soon. Will eat at Mellow Mushroom tonight and hopefully get to sample some brews.
Great post Z-man. The documentary Beer Wars goes into some of the battles of the little guy versus the big guy, and specifically profiles the founders of DFH and Stone.
And it's on Netflix streaming in HD.
I concur. Great post
after reading Z-Man's post...no wonder the micros i get out west are $2-3 cheaper per six pack than buying in FL.
recently tried Mission St. IPA...nice floral and easy drinking.
Thank you again Z-man for the great read.
Rats, I have to leave now so I'll have to read Z-man's post tonight. I always enjoy his insight into the beer world.
And priced cheap at $1 a bottle. If you have Trader Joe's, go out and get some Mission Street. I believe it's contract brewed by Firestone Walker.
Man, I miss Mellow Mushroom. I have a buddy in Blacksburg, VA that's looking into the franchise. Great pizza and great beer.
No Trader Joes here. Great store, wish we had it.
You are making me hungry!
It is definitely interesting that the big breweries are investing in the smaller ones. Thanks Zman.
We have one here in raleigh that my wife and I go to from time to time (near NC State and the club scene in downtown).
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