Anyone else like their racquet setups boardy?

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  1. Power Player

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    Finally came to a realization after some solid racquet and string experimentation - I love a boardy racquet setup. It is almost used sometimes as a bad word, but to me it is sublime. When you hit through the ball, the feel on the sweetspot is absolute bliss, and the control gives me a ton of confidence in a pressure situation.

    What I notice is with softer setups, I have to brush more and use more spin to control the ball. With a tighter, boardy setup I can hit through the ball more and not overspin the ball. I also am able to hybrid my poly mains with a syn gut and therefore have a tighter tension which helps me do this even more.

    The final equation is the 18x20 pattern. The tight pattern definitely feels better to me. I firmly believe open patterns are more launchy and lose ball feel. More strings = more feel for me.

    What about spin you say? This is a setup for players that can hit with spin already and want to be able to come through the ball more. An 18x20 pattern makes you work a little harder for spin, but the result is a very penetrating ball that does not sit up, and instead kicks forward - speeding the ball up off the bounce. A lot of players dont see this ball as much so that is a nice bonus. a little less weight on the racquet can help generate this.

    Anyway, the point of this thread is to find the best boardy control setup out there. Here is mine so far: 4G 17 and OGSM 16 at 52/54. I really would like to find a cheaper replacement for the 4g, but so far nothing has come close. I have tried Cyberflash/OGSM (too soft..not enough feel - but a solid budget option) Cyclone/NVY (too springy - Nvy is an amazing cross but not for a boardy setup).

    Cost advantage of 4g is it holds tension for a long time. You can play this setup for close to 2 weeks. The control level is off the charts as well.

    My next setup to challenge : Tour bite 17 and Wilson Stamina - 52/54.
     
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  2. McLovin

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    I didn't play with Kevlar/Gut @ 60/64 for 10+ years for the amazing feel & touch...

    Granted I've moved on to Gut/Poly combinations over the past few years, but that is mainly because Gamma stopped making the Kevlar I used, and nothing else felt right.
     
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    What do you mean by "boardy"? Do you mean "board-like"? As in a stiff stringbed?
     
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    I triend pro blend recently but it was not optimal. Just kind of harsh really.

    anubis..yes boardy usually means stiffer on these boards.
     
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    Hmmm. You want a stiff stringbed? IMO you'll never get that with a hybrid setup. You've got to go full poly. All syn guts will soften the stringbed.

    I'm in a similar boat as you: I like 18x20 string patterns, and a stiff string bed. If i string syn gut, I go 62 lbs or higher. For full poly, I string 54 lbs or higher. but i've never had any good results with hybrids -- that is, hybrids for the sake of low cost.

    If you hybrid two high performance strings, that's once thing. But hybriding OGSM in with some nice poly is only giving you 60% performance, since OGSM is cheap (in every sense of the word) string.

    If you have a few racquets, I suggest taking your 4g and going full bed with it @ 52 lbs. I think you'll find much more accuracy and control that way.

    I know, its more expensive. that blows, but that's the price you pay for laser-accuracy. If it gets you wins, it was worth it, right?
     
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    I guess I should clarify that I find the 4g/ogsm to be ideal for what I am describing. I have the laser accuracy with it, and am simply looking for a less expensive setup if there is one. Full poly in the 18x20 was tried by me, and I lost feel.

    I disagree that OGSM hampers the performance of the bed by 60%. It adds feel back and I can also keep the bed a little tighter and my arm is never bothered. 60% is a little extreme.

    Do agree that full 4g at 52 could be a nice setup, but when I can tension syn gut close to 55 with a poly - it actually plays better for me believe it or not. Just how I hit. I really love syn gut crosses in a tight pattern, and I think it is the best of both worlds. But I generate a lot of spin without needing full poly.

    Id string OGSM full at 62 also though. In fact if I get a 3rd racquet, that is happening.
     
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    Yes and no, I guess. Back in the nineties I much preferred a kevlar hybrid over full multi or syngut primarily for the stiffer, more predictable and controlled stringbed as well as durability. That was despite the fact that I played mostly s&v on the grass courts Down-Under... When 1st gen poly became more readily available in the late nineties I switched to that, but at high tensions, 60# or more. Could get a nasty kick on the grass with that. In other words, I loved boardy! Coming back to tennis on the European clay, I had to remodel my game and learnt a full SW-WW forehand, and in recent years I found I much prefer poly at low tensions (high 30s). So l now prefer a less boardy set up that still gives me plenty control with added comfort and spin.
     
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    I like soft setups. OGSM in a full bed was simply awful for my game.
     
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  9. McLovin

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    Yeah, that is why I went away from Kevlar when Gamma stopped making Extreme Spin 19, which was a 19g Kevlar-blend. The other Kevlars (Prince, Ashaway) were too harsh.

    Technically, Gamma still makes Extreme Spin 19, but it is packaged as a hybrid in TNT Fusion 19, and I wasn't willing to pay $12/pk to use only 1/2 the string.
     
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    Yep. I have always hated multis at any tension. Should have been my first clue, but it takes a while to find a string setup.

    The first eye opener was when I bought a Dunlop 200 with Lux Flouro and Wilson Stamina in the mid 50s. Really blew me away how well it felt and played.

    My friend played pro blend as a junior and now prefers full poly over the ogsm hybrid by just a little. He goes back and forth since he has 1 stick strung with each.
     
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    I think you can get used to any setup whether it is a new racket or new strings. It just takes time. Thankfully we have a lot of choices for both rackets and strings.
     
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    I agree. It takes some time to learn your preferences in tennis unless you are playing in blissful unawareness (pre TT).
     
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  13. Hi I'm Ray

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    Yes, liking the way these "boardy" control oriented strings play in this powerful frame. I'm finding better control/placement and playing more aggressively not just on topspin groundstrokes but also on slices and volleys with better touch on dropshots. Not loving the comfort on some of these strings but some are alright. Also grew up playing syn gut and like the way it feels - can't get used to the feel of most multis but hoping it will work out in a poly hybrid. Currently playing a syn gut hybrid as well.
     
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    Ray what strings do you use and what tension?

    Main reason for this thread is to find the best boardy control setups out there. So far the 4g/OGSM reigns supreme for me.
     
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    Right now Pro Line X 1.25 mains / Forten Sweet 17 crosses @ 50/53lbs. PLX plays firm, low powered, and hits at a lower trajectory all as if it were strung at a higher tension. Borderline harsh IMO.

    SPP Hextreme Pure 1.25 / FS17 @ 51/53lbs. Quite firm but with better comfort than PLX. Massive spin, good power on hard hit shots. Have only tried the Pure version, which got different ratings and descriptions than the standard Orange version on a certain string forum that I'm sure you know about.

    I'm currently trying out different control oriented polys and haven't settled on any particular string yet.
     
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    Been changing up my forehand for the past 8-9 months and the slice in the last 3-4 months. Now I'm starting to like 18x20 patterns as well - found more spin and was hitting more aggressively. Seems to be in the same direction as favoring a firmer/more control oriented/"boardier" string set up.
     
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  17. Power Player

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    Ok this is really nice info. The PLX I have never used in my life and it sounds a lot like 4G.
     
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  18. pvaudio

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    If I can't smell the resin, the tension's not high enough.
     
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  19. Power Player

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    PV, anything out there that can compete with 4G for me?
     
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    Honestly, given that I don't like 4G and you love its tension stability, I may not be the one to ask. However, I would be remiss if I did not recommend anything from Signum Pro or Weisscannon. WC Silverstring, for instance, becomes TERRIBLY boardy when strung above 55lbs in my experience. It's not a soft string by any means, but it feels like wood to me at 60. The control, however, is off the charts. And I would put Silverstring against anything but SPPP as far as tension stability goes. I don't think anything from Lux is even in the same league. Even at your tension, it's not going to be a pillow. It will feel firm, but not boardy. The string just has too much feel for that.
     
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    Silverstring..an excellent poly that I have not used in a year.

    The reason I love 4G is the insane control and the tension maintenance is awesome. How is the control with SS? Its been a long time since I have used it.

    Not a fan of SPPP. Has a weird, dullish feel that that I ended up not enjoying.
     
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  22. Boricua

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    How about Weiss Cannon Black5Edge, or Silverstring or Signum Pro Poly Plasma combined with OG Sheep?
     
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    Silverstring 1.20 is easily in the top 5 control strings on the market.
     
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    Silvertring is supposedly similar to B5E but without the edges. B5E I know is a low power, control string so Silverstring should be the same. Another string that Ive heard is pretty boardy is Tornado and it has good tension maintenance. Of the three I mentioned, Ive only used B5E though.
     
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    ^^^ I honestly don't know who you're talking about with regards to those statements. Tornado and B5E are in my top 5 best ever (along with Scorpion, Iontec and PH18 ) polys, and I don't like boardy string. Tornado is also tension specific. High tension yields a piece of cedar, low 50s to high 40s yields the most responsive poly I've used. B5E is far less so, and far more neutral. It does everything well, however. Silverstring, on the other hand, feels nothing like either albeit closer to B5E. It has an incredibly unique feeling, and is one of those like ALU and certain multis that has this innate "premium" feeling. I can't describe it. That sense of "this isn't on the market to make money, this was designed to be as good as it can be". Not many, no...MOST polys don't come close to that. Iontec is another with that feeling. This is all personal and subjective bantering however. As most of you know, however, Silverstring and B5E were my go-to poly of choice for quite some time.
     
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    GOOD! I personally hate the feel of b5e even though I know it is a good string. So I am glad that SS does not feel the same, and I dont remember that similarity either. I do remember that I was very impressed with it in a full job in a Wilson 6.1 16x18.

    SS will go on my short list. I really wish I did not love 4G so much (just due to the $$$), but it is such an amazing string, especially when you just crush a ball - it gives that really crispy feel that ALU provides.

    I also noticed a surprise - Cyberflash mains did not give me the same spin as 4G. I was not expecting that. 4G almost seems like it gives off less spin than it actually does.
     
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    LOL...That is thing though - 4G is real easy on my arm. even though my setup is boardy, it is still really comfortable.
     
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    Is Silverstring made from the same material as B5E? I spoke some time ago with John Youngblood and I think he told me that. But, I could be confused in what I heard.

    In terms of B5E, I liked it full bed in the RDIS 100 Mp but could not stand it in a APD GT.

    Also, how does Scorpion compare to Silverstring? Two strings to try out definitely.
     
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    Are they made of the same material? No idea. All I do know is that one is silver, and one is black. As we know, dozens of strings made of the same material feel nothing alike. B5E has a unique "plush" feel to it that is unique to it. Silverstring just feels like what it is: a flagship product.

    Scorpion is a tricky old boy in that it is more powerful, offers better spin and is more responsive. It's not very expensive, but I seriously can't explain what it feels like to anyone. I honestly think that's just because it's the string for me. That one that responds just how I want it to.
     
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    Sounds good to me, will try B5E again, the other two and find out.:)
     
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    With the PHT crosses in one of my PSGTs dead I gotta say, "no".

    OTOH like you I really enjoy the precision of stiffer stringbeds which probably explains why I enjoy small heads and/or dense patterns and poly crosses such as 4G.

    I just hit with two of my PSGTs, one with VS/PHT and one with VS. with the PHT dead and at max tension loss I had zero control and it felt boardy. But there was tons of spin. The VS frame was plush, powerful, very precise, but less spinny.

    4G cross is a nice comprimise. More spinny than full gut but less than PHT. Less comfort than gut but more control than PHT. Tension loss nearly the same as gut.

    I'll probably end up with two frames with VS/4G for competition and one with full VS for casual hitting with the wife and kids.
     
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  33. Boricua

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    I like poly but I prefer more plushness, not a boardy feel. I dont like to much power in the stringbed as I like to develop my own power in the shots.
     
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    4G/OGSM is low powered and controlled. Boardy while being comfortable. I am not sure if I can beat it.
     
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    Yeah, that is a challenge. So often plush means more power.

    That's why I prefer lower power frames and softer strings. Usually that means a plush and low power setup. Even strung with full gut my Pure Storm GT is fairly low powered. In fact, once the PHT goes dead, the VS/PHT frame is more springy than the full VS frame due to difference in tension loss.

    My next experiment will be VS/Outlast. Looks to be soft and spinny but the tension loss is clearly higher than 4G.
     
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    i string my polys at 56-58.... lol. I'm in the club for sure. I'm also going to get me a few sets of BHSR17 to see how responsive it feels to my current BHBR.
     
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    One quick question:

    I think many of 18X20 users prefer 17 gauge to 16 gauge string and I am wondering whether there is really a big difference between them. I guess thicker string will make your racquet feel tighter and boardy, but many 18x20 players say they, while they like tight and boardy feel, cannot handle 16 gauge string. I personally do not feel significant difference between these two gauges and I think my flat forehand go well with 16 gauge and 18X20 pattern.

    Do you think 18X20 pattern should go with a thiner string like 17, since a thicker string like 16 will make the feel too tight and boardy?
     
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  38. tlm

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    What kevlar are you talking about?
     
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    I love a stiff string bed, was using a asian blx 90 with rpm team 17 gauge at 68 lbs. Now I am using a prince rebel 98 with gamma power play 18 gauge kevlar at 58 lbs. with yonex poly tour spin at 63 lbs. in the crosses.
     
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    I just used weisscannon SS in my rebel 98 at 68 lbs. and it was not boardy at all. Actually I really liked the feel even at that tension. You are right about SS having great control, that is one of its best characteristics.
     
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    68? Are you serious?

    Thats a great question. I use 17 gauge mains on the poly but 16 gauge crosses right now. Feels great.
     
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    I am definitely serious. Have you ever tried 68 lbs. with full poly? Depending on what poly and racket you use it will not play anywhere near as stiff and harsh as most would think.

    It would surprise a lot of people on how good high tension poly can play, but there are to many that are not adventurous enough and only go by what they hear instead of actually trying something new.

    One of my hitting partners uses a blx 90 with bb ace at 70 lbs. and when it is new it actually feels soft, again many will never believe this but the difference is I have tried it many times. There is another guy we hit with who claims we are crazy and poly is unplayable above 55 lbs.

    One day my friend with the high tension racket let the naysayer try his racket which was just freshly strung at 70 lbs. but he told him it was strung at 55 lbs. and all he could say was how soft it felt and that the racket was much more flexible than his. Which was not true because the blx 90 has a flex of 65 and the speed that he usually uses is 64. This is the guy that says poly is not playable at high tension because he knows from reading about it.
     
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    My arm just grew a mouth to thank me for not doing this.

    bb ace @ any tension = death. bbace @ 70 = murder.
     
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  44. pvaudio

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    kiteboard has suggested stringing up to 80lbs on poly before.
     
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    Yeah I would never string poly that high. It's just not a good idea, and unless a lot of accomplished players start doing this and raving about it, I'm going to pass on ever trying it..lol. Most players are going lower in tension now for a reason...
     
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    kiteboard also recommends a lot of things that should not be tried.
     
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    ^yeah poly hybrids, just dont see no reason. 60-62lbs is as high as I'll go, and lately think thats too high. With the cooler temps 55lb is going to be the max.
     
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    Is LTEC one of them? Just a guess.:)
     
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    I have no problem with poly hybrids or L-Tec. It's the forcing your blood pressure to skyrocket in order to remove the negative energy in an injury to make it heal more quickly that I start to take issue with.
     
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    My hitting partner has been using that string at 70 lbs. for years now, no problems and he is a 4.5 level player.
     
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