Anyone else like their racquet setups boardy?

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  1. tlm

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    It is different if you are using a 18x20, I am talking 16x19 patterns. Thats fine if you never want to try that high of tension, but without trying it is impossible to make an accurate assessment. I thought this was about a boardy racket set up, there are already many threads about the mushy low tensions.

    There are some pro players like roddick and blake who used that high of tensions.
     
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    I always thought, depending on exact racket involved, that 60+ is boardy, 50-60 average, and sub 50 tensions soft.
    My Mfils and Aero200's are strung at 54, feel soft on warm days, boardy on sub 55 degree days.
    Thinking of going all the way down to 48 lately.
     
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  3. tlm

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    That is pretty true, but still a lot has to do with what kind of string and racket you are using. When i use synthetics or multis on most rackets they will board out at around 60 or so, but with a lot of polys that I use They will not board out even at 68lbs.

    I know that most here think it is the opposite but again most have not really tried it but they just know because of hearsay. On the other hand instead of just talking I have used a wide variety of tensions and strings and have found that a lot of the preconceived thoughts that many players have are totally wrong.
     
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    But isn't one aspect of string tension related to comfort, and how much you can practice without arm/shoulder pain?
    I used around 65lbs. in the old days, YonexGreenOPS's. My much better doubles partner used 53, but he avoided flat first serves, and hit with more consistent spin/power. He practiced and and played. I only played, and about 2/3rds his playing time. My arm would have fallen off if I spent as much court time as him, using my stiffer tension. But I thought I'd spray balls with lower tensions.
    That old mindset is still with me today. I'm an old fart, lost at least 30% of my swing speed, and currently at 52 lbs on Aero500's, and 54 on Mfil200's, thinking of going down......
     
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  5. Power Player

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    Roddick does not string at 68. He uses gut crosses and his poly is in the 50s now. James blake is one of the hardest and flattest hitters in tennis. I doubt anyone here hits like him.

    Also, both of those guys are basically out of atp tennis now.

    I string in the mid 50s with this racquet. It is not at all a mushy low tension.

    I had poly at 60 before and it was miserable. Not sure how increasing it 8 more pounds would change that, and honestly i am not interested in finding out.

    Anyway, strung up tb/stamina at 53/55. Lets see how it goes.
     
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  6. tlm

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    Like I said there is a big difference in tension when comparing a 18 main pattern as opposed to a 16 main. I would guess there is at least a 5 lbs. difference, as in a 18 main is going to feel and play at least 5lbs. tighter than a 16 main at the same tension.


    Here is a list of pro players string tension and roddick is one of the higher tension users on the list way higher than the 50's.

    Latest Update: Australian Open/Davis Cup 1st Round – January/February 2012

    Tomas Berdych Head YouTek IG Instinct MP
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 55lbs

    James Blake Donnay X-Dual Pro
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 68lbs

    Bob Bryan Prince EXO3 Rebel 95
    Prince Beast XP 56/52lbs

    Mike Bryan Prince EXO3 Rebel
    Prince Beast XP 54/51lbs

    Jennifer Capriati Prince Tour Diablo
    Babolat VS Touch/Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 51/48lbs

    Juan-Ignacio Chela Babolat Pure Storm Team
    Tecnifibre Spinfire Maxi Power 58lbs

    Marin Cilic Head YouTek IG Radical MP
    Babolat VS Touch 61lbs

    Kim Clijsters Babolat Pure Drive Team
    Babolat VS Touch 58lbs

    Lindsay Davenport Wilson [K]Tour
    Wilson Natural Gut 63/64lbs

    Nikolay Davydenko Prince EXO3 Tour 18×20
    Polystar Energy 51lbs

    Juan Martin del Potro Wilson [K] Six.One 95
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 62lbs

    Novak Djokovic Head YouTek IG Speed MP 315 18×20
    Babolat VS Team Natural Gut/Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power Rough 55/52lbs

    Elena Dementieva Yonex RDiS 100 Mid Plus
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 52/48lbs

    Roger Federer Wilson Pro Staff Six.One Tour BLX
    Wilson Natural Gut/Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power Rough 48.5/44lbs

    David Ferrer Prince EXO3 Tour
    Luxilon Big Banger Original 51lbs

    Juan Carlos Ferrero Prince EXO3 Tour
    Luxilon Big Banger Original 53/51lbs

    Richard Gasquet Head YouTek IG Extreme Pro
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 58lbs

    Robby Ginepri Babolat Pure Storm Team
    Babolat Pro Hurricane/Babolat VS Team 64lbs

    Fernando Gonzalez Babolat Pure Storm Team
    Babolat Pro Hurricane 60lbs

    Sebastien Grosjean Head Microgel Prestige Mid
    Babolat VS Touch 51lbs

    Tommy Haas Head YouTek IG Prestige Pro
    Babolat VS Team 75lbs

    Daniela Hantuchova Prince EXO3 Tour
    Babolat VS Touch 58lbs

    Justine Henin Wilson Tour BLX
    Babolat VS Touch 59.5lbs

    Tim Henman Slazenger NX One
    Luxilon Big Banger TiMo/Babolat VS Team 62lbs

    Lleyton Hewitt Yonex RDiS 100
    Babolat VS Team/Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 56lbs

    Martina Hingis Yonex RQS-11
    Yonex Polyester/Babolat VS Team 49/44lbs

    John Isner Prince EXO3 Warrior
    Tecnifibre Pro RedCode 62lbs

    Ana Ivanovic Yonex Ezone Xi
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 54lbs

    Gustavo Kuerten Head Liquidmetal Prestige Mid
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 56lbs

    Petra Kvitova Wilson Tour BLX
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 57/53lbs

    Svetlana Kuznetsova Head YouTek IG Extreme Pro
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 57/55lbs

    Sabine Lisicki Wilson BLX Blade
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power Rough/Wilson Natural Gut 52/50lbs

    Ivan Ljubicic Head YouTek IG Extreme Pro
    Babolat Pro Hurricane 69lbs

    Michael Llodra Wilson Juice Pro BLX
    Babolat VS Team 52lbs

    Feliciano Lopez Wilson Juice 100 BLX
    Luxilon Alu Power/Luxilon AceVS Team 51/46lbs

    Paul-Henri Mathieu Wilson [K]Blade 98
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 62lbs

    Amélie Mauresmo Head Microgel Radical MP
    Babolat VS Touch 54lbs

    Jürgen Melzer Dunlop 4D 300 Tour
    Isospeed Professional 75lbs

    Gaël Monfils Prince EXO3 Rebel 95
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 57/55lbs

    Carlos Moya Babolat Pure Drive Team
    Luxilon Big Banger Original 60lbs

    Andy Murray Head YouTek IG Radical Pro
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power Rough/Babolat VS Team 62lbs

    Anastasia Myskina Head Liquidmetal Instinct Tour
    Luxilon Big Banger Timo 56/52lbs

    Rafael Nadal Babolat AeroPro Drive GT
    Babolat RPM Blast 55lbs

    David Nalbandian Yonex VCore 98D
    Luxilon Big Banger Original 64lbs

    Jiri Novak Völkl Tour 10 Mid Plus
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 64/62lbs

    Flavia Pennetta Wilson Blade 98 Pink BLX
    Wilson Natural Gut 63lbs

    Nadia Petrova Babolat AeroStorm
    Luxilon Monotec Supersense 62lbs

    Mark Philippoussis Head i.Prestige
    Babolat VS Team 75lbs

    Mary Pierce Yonex RD Ti-80
    Luxilon Big Banger TiMo 65lbs

    Milos Raonic Wilson Blade 98 BLX
    Luxilon M2 44/46lbs

    Tommy Robredo Dunlop 4D 300
    Luxilon Big Banger Original 52lbs

    Andy Roddick Babolat Pure Drive Roddick
    Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour/Babolat VS Team 73/61lbs

    Greg Rusedski Dunlop Aerogel 200
    Babolat VS Team 48lbs

    Marat Safin Head Microgel Prestige Mid
    Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 60lbs

    Fabrice Santoro Head Flexpoint Radical Tour
    Tecnifibre X-One Biphase 60lbs

    Patty Schnyder Head Liquidmetal Prestige Mid
    Kirschbaum Touch Turbo 57lbs
     
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  7. Power Player

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    Thanks, we all have seen that list 1,000 times, and it is rather old now as roddicks tension droped to 58 in the mains a year ago.

    So basically you string higher than about every single pro you just listed. Now ask yourself, is that really neccesary?
     
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  8. Slippery

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    Hey Power Player you should try the Stamina in the mains poly crosses. Gave it a rip last night Stamina at 54 and Lux. savage in the crosses at 51. My forehand was coming up a bit short but the 1hbh was staying in the lines lol. I tried this setup to try and get rid of string movement and maybe get a few more hours of hitting with it. Hopefully it will soften up just a tad. I strung in Savage mains 51 and Stamina crosses 51 last week awsome from the start but got a little to powerfull after a couple of hours. So far Adrenaline mains 50 Stamina crosses 52 has been the best for me, played that setup till the stamina broke, did put up with some string movement though. By the way my weapon of choice is the 4D 300. I have another one on it's way from T.W. with a full bed of 4G at 48 so we will see how that goes have a good one .
     
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  9. tlm

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    Okay but the date this was taken says January 2012. I am using gamma power play kevlar at 58 lbs. in the mains with yonex poly tour spin crosses at 63 lbs. right now. So I would not be much higher than what a lot of pro players string at. Also I could care less what the pro's string at that means nothing to me, I go by what works not what some pro uses.

    Which again I will point out means nothing to amateur players unless you change your string every half hour like they do. So many here say I am using similar tensions of what the pro's use, well ya you are for a half hour or so but not 2 hours later let alone days.

    But I am still experimenting with different set ups, I just put in a set of head sonic pro 16 gauge at 68 lbs. and am going for a hit with it today.

    I have already tried this at the same tension with the 17 gauge and it was pretty good, but still did not maintain the control that the kevlar set up I am using as my go to string. Just trying to find a poly set up that will match it.
     
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  10. pvaudio

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    Good God! A little bit of Sampras right here.
     
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    You say you don't care what the pros use, yet you insist on using them as justification for high tensions.

    Can I ask for the logic in that?
     
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  12. jason586

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    I also like a boardy feel in a racquet. My favorite feel to date was my i.prestige MP 18x20 with full poly at about 55lbs, but the weight was too much over time as mine was nearly 13oz with dampener, leather, and overgrip.

    I read most the TT posts on the Iontec strings and read that you thought Iontec Hexa 1.25 was too soft even after you went up to 52 lbs.
    *Did you use it in a full bed or hybrid?
    *Did you ever try higher than 52 lbs?
    *Did you try raising the tension on the crosses to firm up the Hexa 1.25 stringbed?
    *The most recent poly used is Genesis Black Magic - How would you compare BM to Hexa 1.25 and which feels softer/less crisp?
    *I read that you felt you lost some feel as well with the Iontec Hexa - I have been playing with a leather grip (no overgrip), so maybe that will help with some of the the lack of feel?
    *My Vantage 95" is an open pattern 16x19, but it is the firmer 70 flex. So maybe the 1.25 Hexa would play firm in it since it is a firm racquet?
     
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    I don't care what tension they use, but if you notice PP said that no high level players use that high of tension so I showed that there are many that do.
     
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    I saw 1 that strung full poly at 68 and he hits harder than most of the world's population.
     
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    You missed Melzer he uses 75 lbs. If I used a 18 main pattern like you do I don't think I would be much over the high 50's. It has been a long time since I tried a 18x20. But what you were saying about the lower trajectory and better control you get with the tight pattern makes me wonder how that would work for me I will have to demo one.

    By the way just got back from hitting with head sonic pro at 68 lbs. and it played pretty good, not harsh at all. But still not as good of control as my kevlar hybrid, but definitely more comfortable.
     
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    Didn't Blake use poly @70?
     
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    I think Melzer is using a multi, not a full poly..but regardless, I like the 18x20 a lot and the pattern itself contributes a lot to much better ball feel.
     
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    What racket are you using? How much spin did you lose when you switched to the 18x20?
     
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    Blade 98. I lost no spin because I generate that with head speed. The trajectory is just lower and I prefer the control. I like a nice swingweight, light static and tight pattern. I feel like it is an extremely powerful combo for a natural spin hitter that wants to still drive through the ball.
     
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    I will have to try one, that is one of the reasons I like kevlar it hits a lower trajectory. Maybe I can get that with a 18x20 without having to use a harsh string like kevlar or high tension poly.
     
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    I am liking my 18/20 rackets at the moment around 50 (and the Fischer Vac Pro 16/20). It motivates you to hit through the ball instead of brushing (which I think 16/19 and lower tensions makes you do more). I think Andreas Seppi is a good example of this through the ball hitting. Wonder what his setup is.
     
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    Really agree with this. I can hit with a lot of spin so whenever I start brushing the ball, I can get caught into a trap of overspinning.

    I think that is the main reason I love the 18x20, tight patterns as well.

    I have settled back on 4g mains and OGSM crosses at 50/52. It is simply the best setup I have used for this racquet by a mile.
     
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  23. Povl Carstensen

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    To be more precise, what I am looking for is perhaps not boardy, but pocketing without being mushy. So I have abandoned my K and BLX 90's for a while.
     
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    I have several 18x20, I like soft setups,one is syn gut mains 16/poly crosses 17, currently using 55/51, the string bed is more firmer(boardier) than using 18 ga Lux ace and Gen. Hexonic 18L in mains and crosses at about the same tension, one thing I have noticed is I can swing easier to get the ball placed with power using the hybrid setup and it costs are minimal,,I think i try a hybrid setup with syn gut/lux ace and see if I can improve the present hybrid.

    From these playtests, I can understand why Pro's are using thicker gauge.

    :mrgreen:

    For Rod "The Rocket" Laver fans whom dont know, his strings were textured nylon-these cost an arm and a leg in the day, i seen these strings come out on eray 5 sets for about two weeks out of australia, some time ago..
     
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  25. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes, thicker strings somehow put more meat, more beef behind the ball, imo. Which is positive for through the ball hitting.
     
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    Have any of you had success with Multis or Natural Gut strung at high tensions (upper limit of recommended range)?

    I'm trying to avoid poly as I don't want to put stress on my joints.
     
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    I played ProBlend for many many years. I like a very stiff stringbed with an open string pattern. It allows me to get spin when I want and yet control my harder flatter shots.
    Full Alu Rough works well for me. Also, Alu Rough with AlphaGut2000. Both in the mid 50s.
    I've tried gut/poly low 60s/high 50s - 4lb differential between mains and crosses. I put in stringsavers around the outer 3 or 4 strings of the stringbed as the poly loosens up (I've got ~65 of them in now) to keep a stiff controllable stringbed. I'm using these rackets during the winter for arm comfort.
     
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    I love it, but my arm hates it
     
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    Big fan of boardy. Springy es no bueno.
     
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    I demoed the Head speed 18x20 with some multi full bed and I got nothing going with that stick. I think with 18x20 and "feel", you need natural gut in the formula.
     
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