Anyone else Miss Clay Season?

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  1. Nadal_Freak

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    I went back to see some great points on clay. Nothing like that so far on the hard courts. The speed is much quicker on hard courts which prevents these high quality points. Looking forward to 08 clay season. Hard courts are boring.
     
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  2. Mad iX

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    Hardcourt just means a different kind of high quality points being played.
    Of course, seeing your name, I'm not wondering why your opinion is what it is.
     
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    You realize that nowadays clay court tennis is essentially the same as hard court tennis as well as grass court tennis, once the point gets started? There's no variety. Only difference between surfaces is the effectiveness of the serve. That's why your man Nadal can't dominate on these hard courts.
     
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    Hard court=Take the ball early and aces. Rarely a long point unless 2 clay courters against each other.
    Clay Court Tennis= Work the point. Rallys are much longer and usually ended on an error. Players are usually farther behind the baseline.
     
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  5. stoffer

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    Clay tennis sucks. What I miss is Edberg and Rafter tennis.
     
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    I like watching federer and nadal on clay much more. It seems like they both hit better shots because they're forced to in order to win points. Other players don't interest me near as much on clay, where as on hard courts I can watch most matches.
     
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  7. tennispro11

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    Clay court season is boring. Lots of guys who you won't hear about the rest of the year win during the clay season. Why is that? Oh, I know it is because they are good on only one surface. This is the hardcourt season! Get over it, Freak. :p
     
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  8. J-man

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    No I don't particulary miss the clay court season
     
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    theres no way i miss clay.... i miss the old school grass tennis.... when it was actually fast
     
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    if nadal and federer weren't playing then i would love the clay court season otherwise i don't like it cuz they dominate
     
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    i agree with everyone that misses old school grass s/v. i find two guys exchanging ground strokes for 5 minutes more boring than agressive volleying that results in quick, but action packed points.
     
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    I'd prefer to watch rallies end in winners than errors. I think most people would agree - isn't the very definition of a "good" match versus a "bad" match based on the quality of play resulting from the amount of winners versus unforced errors?
     
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    Yes! Well said! Completely agree with you.
     
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    I'm just glad clay court season is over. Hard courts and grass are my favourites!
     
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    I really don't care. I like all hard, clay, grass, and indoors
     
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    I don't really miss it because I always seem to be asleep when most of the clay matches are on. I really wished they started later in the day.
     
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    It's your name that makes your post seems trollish. I definitely needed to take that into consideration.
     
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    i second kballa08.....
     
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  19. OrangeOne

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    You like seeing errors end points? Well, good for you. Me, I'll take winners any day!

    Honestly, to think that you and your troll-mob all go around and say "fed is boring", and I never understood. Now I understand that you don't like winners, it all makes sense....

    Oh - and for the record, I agree with those who miss the classic grasscourters. Rafter and Edberg indeed....
     
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    I like rallys. If they end in winners than good. Short points don't interest me whether they are winners or errors. Miami and Indian Wells are decent hard courts but other than that they play too fast which make it less exciting.
     
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    Clay is great. Yes I do miss it, because on clay the Fed/Nadal rivalry is actually relevent, where on hard courts we are once again disappointed. I don't quite understand why. Over the last 3 years Nadal has had plenty of hard court success and obviously Fed is the man on hard courts. Yet, it feels like they meet sparingly on that surface, but every year we watch them play multiple times on clay. What's the deal?
     
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    No...how did you win? I'm not very good in swimsuits so I didn't enter.
     
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  23. ninman

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    Interestingly if you watch Federer playing Sampras in Wimbledon 2001 they both serve and vollyed first and second serve. Now of course Federer plays mostly from the baseline, you know why? Because those idiots that run wimbledon thought it was too "boring" to watch people playing Grass court tennis the way it's meant to be played, they wanted to give the clay courters a chance.

    What I can't understand is, why can't they speed up the clay to give the hard courters a chance at the FO?
     
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    Clay tennis is my least favorite surface to watch. I like seeing players taking the ball early and looking to get into the net and finishing the point instead of just seeing them stand 10 feet behind the baseline and just bash the ball back and forth waiting for their opponent to commit an error.
     
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    Exactly, it's like the difference between watching a clean graceful sword battle between two master swordsman, and two apes beating each other continuously with clubs. The problem for Federer is that he is the swordsman and when he plays on clay he's given a club and has both hands tied behind his back and has to use his feet to try and beat the ape Nadal.
     
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    I disagree. Big big difference is top spin, which catches on the clay courst so much that the ball jumps over 2 metatrs in height allowing people like nadal to topspin and gt the players off court or from side to side. On the other hand sopme of fast courts dont have such a bounce so that means that nadal can not be effective at what he does best, but he also can not hit the ball as hard as on clay because his grip and style are suited to high bouncing balls and when he gets a low bounce he has less time to prepare the feet ansd is not perfectly positioned nor well suited to make the shot.
     
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  27. vive le beau jeu !

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    same here... i find definitely more pleasant to see points ended by a winner, it's more exciting ! :)
    about S&V, nowadays it's already too rare on non-clay surfaces but it's worse on clay... and if i have to watch rallies, i prefer (by far) when the players take the ball early as they frequently do on hardcourt, than when stay stand far behind the baseline using heavy topsin as they frequently do on clay. :rolleyes:
     
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    Over the last few posts I find your comments right on the spot. It does not matter to me if a really is 3 shots or 33 shots, if it ends witha 100 mile forehand down the line I'm a happy guy !
     
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    Bit why is Wimbledon so prestigue tournament when points ( used to ) end in a second ? Why is it the biggest of all etc, when its so boaring by your definition and why is that rafa wants it so badly ? He never said I want to win aussie open once in my life but stated his wish for wimby title at least 30 times, that Ive seen or heard him !
     
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    Exactly, and Nadal will win Wimbledon, if they make it into a Clay court.
     
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    Clay is my favourite and most entertaining surface to watch tennis and it has been like this for many years.
    Some people can´t talk about tennis surfaces without mentioning Nadal, it seems he is under their skin.
    I am always for the variety of surfaces but I don´t like serve contests so if half of the points are decided by the serve it makes me lose interest and I just go to my tv when the tie-break starts or there is some break point chance. On clay almost every point has to be played.
    I disagree with people who say that clay is about not making errors and hardcourts is about making winners. You need a balance of both things on ANY surface, otherwise you will be a mediocre player no matter where you are playing.
     
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    Yes and you're totally unbiased of course. Honestly you can't stand it if anyone says anything remotely bad about Nadal just because he's Spanish. You racist.
     
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    I don't miss clay season.. The thing I really miss are the fast grass courts.. =)
     
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    But most of the points, if you are not watching nadal ( whi to be fair - hits alot of winners ) , are about endurance ? Right ? SO who makes the first mistake loses it. I agree points are nice sometimes, but I ust hate it when you hit an outright winner smack on the line and the surface slows the ball so much that faster player can reach it and get it back.

    So to say, its a defensive surface, and hard and grass are attacking surfaces. I always prefer attack to defence and I think most people do and in most sports. nothing agains clay, but I only watch top claycourters and there are really only a few of them ..
     
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    Zaragoza is Spanish, he doesn't listen to anyone who disagrees with him, or has a bad word to say about Nadal.
     
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    I'm still waiting for the indoors """""season"""""
    That's the most entertaining period of the year, after Wimbledon :D
     
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    I know, I went to Saragosa as we say here. nie place. Anyways are you a bit too hard on him, you know how they are - emotional about everything ? And spanish people have like 35 tennis players out of which 36 are claycourt specialists, so its only normal he likes clay, like I like Djokovic cause hes from Belgrade as I am ..
     
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    May I ask how is Zaragoza RACIST, please?

    In case you don't know the meaning of the word 'racist', please, be welcome to look it up in a dictionary.

    Gimme one racist comment from Zaragoza, please. Just one.
     
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    I like players because of the player, not their nationality. For example I am Scottish but I don't like Andy Murray. I think he's good at Tennis, but his attitude is terrible, and I'm also willing to have a reasonable argument with people about Federer (who is my favourite player) and his chances, and how much longer he'll keep playing tennis etc.

    We don't all have to agree that's what makes discussions interesting. He just didn't like it that I thought Nadal will be burned up in a few years.
     
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    He likes Nadal because he's Spanish, that is racist.
     
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    I am sorry, do you have ANY clue of the meaning of the word RACIST!!??

    No, of course you don't. Please, as I said before, look it up. You may be surprised.
     
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    But wait! I'm very fond with croatian people! I like Petrovic, Kukoc, Ivanisevic, Karlovic, Ljubicic, Ancic!

    THAT MAKES ME A RACIST!!! :shock:
     
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    If anything, Zaragoza may get called a 'nationalist'. He/she's a spaniard, and roots for spaniards. What's wrong with that?

    He/she is a little biased sometimes, but never ever a racist.
     
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  44. ninman

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    Racism doesn't have to be a negative thing as you seem to inferring. Supporting a player in an individual sport such as Tennis for the sole reason that they come from a certain country is completely different from supporting your national team.

    It is racist, he is singling out Spanish players because they are Spanish. Lots of people do it, e.g. people supporting Federer because he is from Switzerland. It's still racist.

    I guess you wouldn't call the statement "All Chinese people are good at maths" racist then?
     
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    Being spaniard isn't a race. Caucasian is a race.
    Racism IS a negative word. Racialism ISN'T.

    ROOTING for anyone is never racist. HATING a player for being white/black/asian, THAT'S RACIST.

    How can you be racist, if you actually LIKE someone?

    You're either a kid, a really mentally challenged person, or an adult full of hate.
    I prefer thinking you're a kid. At least, a kid can change.
     
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    The ideal and neutral surface to play tennis simply doesnt exist. You say clay is about endurance, I could say hardcourts is about power and hit the ball as hard as possible and it doesn´t require a lot of talent for some players to play well on hardcourts.
    You say you prefer attack over defense on any sport. Ok I don´t think you would enjoy a football match if goals can be scored from the opposite goal line all the time, that´s the feeling I have watching serve contests. I like point construction and clay is the surface that favours it. You can always complain about something on any surface and everyone has a preference, clay is my preference.
     
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    You know that in Britain if you make fun of someone because they are Scottish you can be taken to court for racial abuse?

    I would classify racism as the singling out of an individual or individuals because of nationality or race. Whether you do that in a positive or negative way is irrelevant, it is racist and almost anyone who watches tennis is guilty of it. It is one of the reasons why I HATE watching Wimbledon in Britain, or indeed I HATE reading the British news about Tennis, because they are totally all for British players and completely ignore all the other players.

    Whichever way you cut it, it is racist.
     
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  48. Zaragoza

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    LOL thanks Andres, don´t bother to reply him. It´s easy to see what someone is made of just after reading a few posts.
     
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  49. Andres

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    If you make fun of someone because they're scottish, that's xenophobia, not racism.

    Nationality =/= Race
     
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    I'm afraid that legally Nationality does equal Race, and I'll say it again, I do not believe in supporting an individual based on race, religion, nationality or anything. I support an individual because of the individual, and anyone who supports a player because of where they come from in my opinion is a racist.
     
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