Anyone have a League Coordinator as the worse offender of sandbagging?

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by DeanMacBaine, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. Timbo's hopeless slice

    Timbo's hopeless slice Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,097
    look, I just thought I would relate this little story, even though it doesn't strictly equate to 'sandbagging'

    I play in a league that is technically 'open', 3 person teams and mostly local coaches and their best HS age pupils.

    The standard is around 5.0 but there are a couple of guys who are better than that.

    Anyway, there is one team who, while not dominating, usually win the league. They have had the same team for the last few years, the club coach at number 1, a guy who wins a lot of state level 55+ tournaments at 2 and a young guy at 3.

    Anyway, we had never beaten them, but this year we changed something in our team. We brought in our number 1 player's dad to play at number 2. He is in his sixties but was a real star back in the day. (TTers might remember me telling the story of having a hit with him last year)

    So, we played them first round, and behold!, we won!

    Next round came along and they rolled out a 'new team'
    The club coach had been relegated to number 3 and pos 1 and 2 were now filled with towering young men home from College on a break and ranked in the top 20 nationally!

    To make matters worse, we had a fill in number two as David was away at the national Seniors championships.
    We got absolutely smashed!

    what does this have to do with your situation?

    Not much, but it is kind of relevant and a reminder that, whatever the standard, it doesn't take much to upset the balance.

    (although, as I said, this is an open league and we field the best three guys we have got!)
     
    #51
  2. Timbo's hopeless slice

    Timbo's hopeless slice Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    4,097
    update

    we didn't win a set, but averaged 3 games per set...

    sigh

    it's fun, but it would be nice to have your very best serves not come back every single time!
     
    #52
  3. cknobman

    cknobman Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    6,204
    Location:
    Saudi Arabia
    I know this is digging up an old thread but I just had to post back on this spring.

    The much discussed "league coordinator" in this thread has done it yet again. Not only is he responsible for league division/team/match scheduling he also happens to field is own team as well (can we say conflict of interest?).

    Anyways as usual his spring team is kicking everyone's butt. This year his team was a perfect 8-0.
    I say WAS because one of his (several) self rated players has already been DQ'ed! This DQ caused one of the matches he played in to turn from a 3-2 victory into a 2-3 defeat.

    This self rate had just so happened to not only go undefeated in league play but was stupid enough to play 6 tournaments and to pretty dang good in those tournaments. I think the tournament play along with his last match (0&2 drubbing of someone at singles) was what got this guy.

    Anyways if you look through his players he has a guaranteed 2 other players (maybe 3) that are on the line for DQ as well because they are going undefeated in this spring with no previous history or only 1 or two prior matches.
    He also has a player or two that lost almost every single fall match and are now magically 7-1 or 8-0 in the spring.

    Good times.
     
    #53
  4. asimple

    asimple Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    437
    It sounds like you shouldn't be a 4.0 as well with that record and you are just angry that he is sandbagging more effectively than he is. From what I have seen the 4.0 level is a nightmare. Maybe you should just focus on getting bumped up and play at 4.5
     
    #54
  5. lostinamerica

    lostinamerica Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    565
    Location:
    Galt's Gulch
    I can tell you that there is nothing in Fort Worth that compares to the shenanigans in Houston or Dallas. The captains in those cities are not league coordinators.
     
    #55
  6. SunshineJS

    SunshineJS New User

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2013
    Messages:
    44
    Tournaments don't count towards DQs... only matches in USTA leagues
     
    #56
  7. beernutz

    beernutz Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,426
    Location:
    expanding my Ignore List
    Good point. To further clarify the issue the NTRP FAQ states:

    Do USTA sanctioned tournaments count in the dynamic rating system? If so, can a tournament win be used as one of the three “strikes”?
    Each Section has the option of including NTRP tournament results for year-end calculations. If your Section includes sanctioned NTRP tournament match scores, they will not be calculated into the system until after the USTA League National Championships. Sanctioned NTRP tournament results do not generate strikes; however, they will impact your year-end rating.
     
    #57
  8. lostinamerica

    lostinamerica Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    May 16, 2007
    Messages:
    565
    Location:
    Galt's Gulch
    The tournaments are suppose to get included but my novice observations is it has very little effect if you played playoffs. I know a doubles team that got mid season bumped, won 3 major zone tournaments and finished 1st in the state in doubles. They had an average playoff (2-2). They then went 4-0 at the higher level in the fall. They got moved back down at year end. Go figure...
     
    #58
  9. HoustonHacker

    HoustonHacker New User

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2007
    Messages:
    33
    He and Fincher have been sandbagging together for years.

    LOL. They tried to tank against my team in a meaningless match at Sectionals and got incensed when we tanked back. They still ended up 4.0 the next year.
     
    #59

Share This Page