Anyone playing with *heavy* racket? with video please.

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  1. onehandbh

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    I recommend that people not swing 15lb dumbbells like a racquet unless
    they plan on throwing it as part of their practice swing with it.
    Seems like too much potential for injury.

    A 350 gram racquet is less than a pound.
     
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  2. Relinquis

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    horrible "advice", which will almost certainly lead to injury... You don't need to be physically muscular or strong to swing a 350 gram racquet. You need proper technique.
    Daniela Hantuchova uses a 346 gram racquet with a 350 swing weight. Has the skinniest arms and i doubt she trains by swinging dumbbells like a forehand.

     
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  3. Ducker

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    my question is why would you want your racquest so heavy?

    Do you guys realize some of the incredible nasty things you can do with a 330g racquet? Racquet head speed is king. Use the heaviest racquet you can without slowing down your swing speed.

    The only advantage to a heavier racquest (past a certain weight, obviously not talking walmart racquet here) is going to be on serving.
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Crushing the ball flat for winners. Hitting through the ball. Plow through. Stability. Control on volleys. Not getting pushed around by an opponent who hits heavy balls. etc.
     
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  5. watungga

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    That weighing thing is for me to strengthen the whole of my right arm length. Eventhough I won 3.5 tourney last year, I was so mad at my stroke developments. I have discovered the reason, and that I was having a muscle weakness and some glitch in elbow which was attributed to 15-year tennis layoff. I'm a righthand person, and just found out, that my weak lefthand could lift 15lbs without help from my brain to process the lift. But for my weak right arm, I still have to tighten my chest and sometimes needs some form of mindset just to lift that effing dumbell. Yes, with that weakness, I won the 3.5 singles tourney and still felt bad about myself.

    Don't underestimate Hantuchova's right arm strength. She's a pro. 100% I'm sure, it is very strong. Just look at 16yr old Cara Black.

    OK, I was wrong about saying to swing the dumbells. Not a proper way of lifting, sorry on that.

    All of this is true, very true. In a way, that one don't ever think of why volleyed balls are soft, and to wrongly assumed the weak stroke applied was the culprit.
     
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  6. user92626

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    Say, if you swing an 11oz racket at 50mph and achieve 70mph shots, would swinging a 12 oz racket at 40mph achieve the same speed shots, figuratively speaking?

    What I mean to ask is .. has anyone comfirmed that moving to higher weight racket allows them to swing slower but still achieve the same quality shot as before?
     
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  7. OHBH

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    well I'm a 4.0 and my Prince Mono is weighted up to 377g. There is just so much more stability at the net I can't see myself playing with a light racket.
     
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  8. Shroud

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    Just got back into tennis after a 3 year hiatus.

    Been playing the last month or so. Years ago I was a 4.0. Having hit with a 4.5 or higher yesterday I think 4.0 is still accurate. I could hang with him but where my shots required all my effort he seemed to be just lounging around.

    No video (hey if you can point me to the best way to make one and post it I will), but I just weighed my 3 Prince original Graphite mid frames and they were 409g, 405g, and 392g respectively. The lighest one had some poly strings and the heavier ones had kevlar gut. I had added 2 over grips to the 4 5/8 handles, but otherwise they were stock.

    Tonight I did a custom modification to one ( a mod I doubt ANYONE has done before) and it ended up at 444g from the original 409g.

    The frames are very headlight. The stringer had a machine that he tried to measure the balance but I guess with the extra grips I added it was "off the charts" whatever that means.

    I'll post some thoughts later this week after I get a chance to hit.
     
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  9. onehandbh

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    It means he was either lying to you or he doesn't know
    what he's doing. The balance point of a racquet is just a point
    on the frame where everything to the left of the balance
    point weighs the same as everything to the right.
    You can measure the balance yourself with a round tube.

    You could add six overgrips, five dampeneds, 40 ounces of
    lead tape and tie a rubber ducky to the racquet and you
    would still be able to measure the balance point.
     
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  10. spaceman_spiff

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    For me, that's the exact reason I use a heavier frame, specifically for the 2hbh. I was never really good at developing high swing speeds with 2 hands, and I couldn't return well enough with 1 hand to make the switch viable. So, I bumped up the mass in the head of my frames until I got something where I could develop the power I wanted with a much smoother swing.

    As an added benefit, I mishit less often on my forehand than I used to since I can now use a smoother swing on that side as well, and volleys are tons of fun to hit too (especially those high floaters hit for a put-away). Serves took some time to get used to, but now I can hit those as well as before.
     
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  11. Shroud

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    Yeah you are right. But what pro uses a rubber ducky?:)

    I didnt mean balance. He did show me that. What I was talking about is the point measurement. You know 7pts head light for ex. I watched him move the racket on the machine and when it balanced there just werent any numbers on the machine...so it was quite literally off the charts.

    SInce I know the balance point how does that translate into a points rating?
     
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  12. TennisDawg

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    I've been playing with a wilson classic pro staff 6.1 for years and it's probably 12.5 oz. I've never measured it. I'm a 3.5 and I can't stand light frames.
     
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  13. LeeD

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    Sunday played with one of my old Mfil 200's, at 12.4 oz string with 15 gauge nylon.
    Today played mostly with an AeroGel500 weighted to 11.7 oz and SW of 320.
    Tried hitting with a stock Aero500, but couldn't come to grips with the 308SW and 10 oz weight.
     
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  14. Frank Silbermann

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    I don't think I've ever owned a racket that weighed grams, though this may be a new trend. I've always used rackets that were weighed ounces.
     
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    Grams : Ounces
    300 : 10.58
    310 : 10.93
    320 : 11.29
    330 : 11.64
    340 : 11.99
    350 : 12.35
    360 : 12.70
    370 : 13.05
    380 : 13.40
     
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  16. Ducker

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    Yea I get all these things with a 11.5 ounce racquet. I feel like racquet head speed and manueverability is better with with a light racquet.

    People saying that they prefer a racquet heavy so to a point where they only need to swing slow to produce their shots are just not playing tennis at a very high level.
     
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  17. Carefree

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    I think that SW is obviously more important. The IG Rad Pro is only 310g unstrung, but the SW is relatively high and the power it produces needs a lot of RHS to get the spin to tame the power.

    I think it's hard to switch back from a heavy racquet, I find that you get a taste for it and lighter racquets feel strange.
    I think my max at this point is time is a static weight of 350g (all in) and a SW of maybe 325 ish.

    I'd say I'm an intermediate level player.

    I think that polarized racquets are for the advanced.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Date at top 30 is "match tough", and should beat 95% of 5.0's.
    Date at #75 is NOT match tough, and is susceptible to any 5.5 man, and some 5.0 men's who are not old, decrepit, or going downhill.
     
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  19. Relinquis

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    wrong thread LeeD, although Date does wield a heavy stick...
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    Well, you'd get even more of it at 13 ounces. Pete Sampras didn't weigh his racquets up to 14 ounces for no reason.

    Really? So John McEnroe doesn't play at a high level? And Tomas Berdych doesn't have very high racquet head speed either but he absolutely crushes the ball. Is he not playing at a high level?
     
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