Anyone read the words from Zverev after the Halle match with Fed?

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  1. wy2sl0

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    Assessing what went wrong, Zverev said, “With Federer, it’s like you’re at the net and you think ‘oh why did I even come here?’ Because his preparation for the shot is unbelievable. My coach said that with him, he’s always on the ground, he’s always stable, he’s never off balance and you cannot tell where the hell he’s going to hit the ball. So it was a disadvantage to come to the net today.

    “His ball when it travels to the air it has so much stuff on it, like it just only goes through the air but it moves like left and right, it moves like a shank but it’s not a shank. You think it’s going to go long but it’s like two feet inside the baseline. His ball is just phenomenal. The worst is like when you’re at the net you cannot tell where he’s going to go. With most of the players, you can anticipate. Because of his [stance], he can go down the line or crosscourt. You think, ‘okay he went down the line most of the times, so let’s cover down the line.’”

    Zverev also revealed his admiration for Federer, disclosing that he follows the Swiss superstar as often as he can.

    “I’m a huge fan of Federer, I watch pretty much every match of his,” said Zverev. “When he loses, I never have a feeling he loses matches because he’s not good enough, it’s mainly because he’s either a little bit injured or it’s like a mental thing with him. So, I’m not saying he’s mentally weak (laughs). I’m just saying he’s a phenomenal player, he still is. He still has the game to beat anyone like easily.

    Last part is pretty much how I feel ( or at least before this year ).
     
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    Mischa, let me reveal something: it walks like a shank, it ducks like a shank, so it must be a shank. Delivered by the mighty Shankerer and his tiny 90-inch size frame.
     
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    "Fed only loses when injured. " - Zverev

    Hey, wait, i thought that was Ralph's line ! ;)
     
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    Federer understands and sympathises:

    "I feel sorry for Mischa," said 31-year-old Federer, preparing to defend his Wimbledon crown later this month.

    "This is not really how I want to win my games, it is a bit uncomfortable..."


    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/tennis-federer-double-bagels-zverev-halle-113436037.html

    Maybe Mischa should stick to clay when playing Roger and stop making the great one uncomfortable. (He managed to take 8 games off him when they last played in Rome back in 2009!) :)
     
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    Nice find. So Zverev thinks, Fed is unbeatable when healthy and mentally fresh.
    Just confirms, what we all knew already.:) It's not like it was a big secret here.
     
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    I'm just wandering where is all the rage about how this guy is a federina and instead he should have that killer instinct like there was when Berdych was tweeting about Nadal.

    This guy accepted defeat before he even walked out onto the court, put in a **** poor performance in front of his home crowd and then goes on to tell the world how much of a federina he is and make excuses for all of Roger's losses lmfao.
     
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    Fed has bageled many players including your boy on grass, clay and hard court. It's not an Earth shattering news that he bageled Zverev.
     
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    And how do you know Federer doesn't shank on purpose to make his balls more unpredictable, just as Zverev verified?

    Oh, and if you think a 90 is "tiny" then you obviously have never seen the 65 sq. in. wood racquets which were used to play tennis for over 100 years. I suggest you hold up a wood racquet to a 90 and you'll realize how massive a 90 is, especially considering how tiny a tennis ball is.
     
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    Yeah. It's funny how some guys here seem to know more than pros. And Zverev actually DID play Federer. But hey, what does he know?
     
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    Fed is probably the goat vs the average Joe, but mediocre vs the top guys, winning only 44% of his 80 odd matches vs the top 4.
     
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    You mean like 90% of the Rafita's opponents? newsflash, the top players do that to the field, its an advantage they get due to how good they are. Don't get me started about Berdych's matches with Nadal, or Almagro, or Ferrer.
     
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    I must've missed the part when Berdych has a killer instinct against Nadal. The guy has barely taken 3 sets off of him in the last 7 years. Even against Djokovic he doesn't suck that badly.

    Besides, Berdych bends over and he's in the freaking top 10 for years now. Zverev has spent most of his career outside the top 50 so it's not like he should be troubling Federer.
     
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    Hahaha I like that, but you're missing the biggest one of them all, Federer.
     
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    Did I say Berdych doesn't bend over for Nadal?

    Another sensitive Federina, my whole point was you're a bunch of hypocrites, why get on Berdych's case but not this guys?

    And of course he shouldn't be expected to trouble Federer, but he should be expected to win at least one lousy game.
     
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  15. SwankPeRFection

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    Could you win one lousy game? Probably not.

    Fact remains that the top few players are so good that only a very small % separates them. And that % is usually a combination of mental/luck streaks during a match.

    How many times have you played a match in your life where you hit stuff that shouldn't even have been in, but you were making point after point like it was cake. Then there's other times where you completely fall on your *** over the simplest of shots. Well, take that and amplify it and you have basically what happens at the very top of the pro level. With that said, it should be no surprise when someone of this guy's level gets his *** handed to him... especially when it sounds like he went into the match expecting to lose against Fed. When you walk onto court in that mindset, you will lose points... even simple points that should be won by you. Also, it's not like he lost all the games at love... he just couldn't convert to win any games. It's easy to say someone got their *** handed to them when you see a 6-0 6-0 loss, but if you go back and see that there were several games where it could have been 40-0 or 40-15 and they still lost the game, then it's all mental or just bad judgement on what shots to play, etc.
     
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  16. The_Order

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    Of course not, but I'm not a pro tennis player and fans don't pay to watch me be competitive.

    This guy was ranked what? about 150?
     
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    I saw many players ranked in that same range play a Challenger this year and each of them would have their *** handed to them by Fed or anyone else in the top 5 at love. Heck, I've seen a pro player currently ranked 130 that played that Challenger hit with a friend of mine I normally lose to because for some reason I have it in my head that I can't beat him in singles and he was smacking stuff past my friend like there's no tomorrow. I guess what I'm saying is that at the ranking you're talking about, those guys are very good, but at the top 5 level... forget it. The thing people forget about is that the higher your ranking in tennis is, the easier it is for that player to see your weaknesses and then pounce on them. I've watched many 4.0 players play and not go constantly after a weakness in an opponent, even though it's right there in front of them. Then you watch a measly 5.0 player and they pick up on stuff within a couple of points and then it's over. This is what Fed did... he just makes it look really easy.

    Overall, I think that given the fact that this guy has won games off Fed before and coupled with what he said after the match, it's obvious he went in with the wrong mentality. He was all choked up knowing he'd never win that he was just going through the motions, etc.
     
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  18. Bobby Jr

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    Those post-match comments are almost cute. They're from a guy who is out there trying to crack it as a pro. To him playing Federer is the pinnacle of his career - even if it was so one-sided.

    That said, his reference to Federer playing so well when balanced is a really good point - and note - for people learning tennis. He has been able to hit so many great shots through his career because he was so good at getting into position.
     
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    heh, that first set in that rome 2009 match was pretty good/entertaining stuff .
     
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    This is just embarrassing hero worship from Zverev. What's he even doing on the pro tour if this is his mentality? He's pathetic.
     
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    Easy - because he shanks a lot, especially on clay and grass where the bounce is less predictable. The laws of physics tell us that there cannot be a sharp divide between pure shanks and sweet spot shots - there is a whole continuum of balls between the two extremes. Those are the balls that Zverev saw, but, as a big fan of Federer, he thinks Federer does it on purpose and also walks on water.

    It is tiny by today's standards, which makes Federer shank a lot.
     
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    Hero-worship is disgusting. It does not matter is you are Zverev or a fan like vbc, it is pathetic.
     
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    I agree. It makes me embarrassed for the people who do it. :oops:
     
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    You should've changed the title to this thread to:

    "Zverev is the biggest Federer fan on tour, disgrace for a professional player"
     
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    :lol:

    No doubt.
     
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    Thanks for the post. I agree too. Until this year I attribute most of his losses to Nadal and Djokovic to a mental issue (most especially Nadal). He has the game to beat anyone.
     
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    The difference between my Berdych thread and this (not that this isn't pretty pathetic) is that we are talking about the world #6 who regularly has to play Nadal in the business end of huge tournaments, not some journeyman who is never expected to challenge Roger at all. Berdych's comments are much worse because of who he is.
     
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    Berdych is a top 10 player.
    Zverev not so much.

    There is quite a difference.

    For two players within the same ball park of skill-level and rankings, it would be more embarassing for one to "fangirl" the other.

    David ferrer, tomas berdych and andy murray are top 10 resident rafa cheerleaders.

    Zverev is not any more relevant than a qualifier, and players that low down will likely admire one of rafa, fed, murray, djok just as much as posters on a TTW messageboard.
     
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    More or less echoes some of my initial thoughts about this.
     
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    There are times when a box-beam frame will shank a ball and put additional spin on it that a frame of any other kind would not do. I can tell you from experience that there have been a few times where I've purposefully shanked a ball off the bottom of my frame to hit a winning lob or shanked one off the top of the frame to kill the pace on the volley and drop it. Sure, I can't do it all the time, but when I do, it works. And then there are times when I just shank out of accident as normal. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that if I can figure this out, surely Fed already knows this and uses it from time to time.

    The other thing that a lot of people on here don't notice is just how loose Fed's grip on the racquet is. Watch some of the slow motion videos when he hits his forehand and see how much the racquet twists in his grip compared to other player hitting with the same grip and same motion, etc. That looser grip will cause some more shanks but it's also what give the ball additional action/spin to put the ball into some spots.
     
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    Swank you need to ask the mods to change your name to ShankPeRFection. ;)
     
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    Here worship works. Toni and Nadal are doing it to Fed from the start. Fed is just happy to lose to Nadal and being called goat.

    Also Djokovic started to beat Nadal calling him the goat for 7 straight times.

    Murray was talking bad about Fed before, he got owned. But after Wim 2012, he started to praise him a lot. Then Fed was just happy for Murray at Olympics, lol.

    I guess it makes your enemy warm inside and he loses his killer instinct. Also, maybe he starts overestimating himself and underestimating you.

    Don't underestimate the tactic of reverse psychology. Berdych will beat Nadal at Wimby. You've heard it here first.
     
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    When did Murray ever talk bad about Federer? In the past, he's always praised him as the greatest of all time although he's been talking up Nadal a lot too lately. And he was never exactly owned by Federer except in GS finals. Since 2005, he has never had a losing H2H v Federer!
     
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    Yet since 2007, both ferrer and Murray have recorded more slam wins against nadal than Federer...
     
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    more or less agree with this. Just one thing, I don't think ferrer is a rafa cheerleader.

    murray does like rafa quite a bit. doesn't really show when he plays him though.

    berdych ? initially didn't get on well with rafa, but with attitude re: rafa has changed a lot now ...

    finding it tough to get sets off rafa ? the fact that he dislikes federer more now and hence the shift to the rafa camp ? combination of these 2 ?
     
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    Yes, he changed last years. Now he praises him a lot. But before he called Nadal the goat and this era the strongest. Subtle digs that Fed is not the goat and that his era was weak.

    But now he saw how great Fed is and he praises him highly now.
     
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    This.


    I found these comments from Zverev mystifying.
     
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    there is a guy claiming that roger intentionally hits the ball below Center so that the racket twists and more of the energy is going into spin creation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmKlOFKqvE

    he basically claims federer does a "controlled shank".
     
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    Didn't Berdych do this to Nadal when he won Roland Garros?
     
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    Current top four.
     
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    At least Devin 'I hit to his forehand sometimes because its so pretty' Britton managed a respectable scoreline.
     
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    Say what?

    Ferrer 0 -14
    Murray 11 - 9
    Djokovic 13 - 16

    Total 24 - 39

    = 61.9% winning record.

    Lean some basic maths sometime.
     
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    He obviously meant Nadal should be a part of the top 4, and not Fed's lapdog Ferrer.
     
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  44. Bobby Jr

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    Well he should post what he means then instead of assuming people are mind-readers. The top four are there all on merit.
     
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    Like I said, Federer probably shanks on purpose in order to put some nasty, unpredictable spin on the ball, which as we've seen, is very effective. :)

    So has the tennis ball gotten a lot bigger today than it was 35 years ago so we now need a much bigger racquet to hit it? :confused:

    Connors used a 63 sq. in. Wilson T-2000 and I don't recall him ever shanking the ball. Oh, could it be because of the difference he and Federer swing at the ball? Federer will shank with just about any size racquet.......and that's just the way he likes it! :)
     
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    Yup, agree - and this why I don't get the "Rafa cheats by using a 100 sq in rocket launcher"-argument, or the "Federer can play with wooden racquets just fine unlike Rafa"-argument.
     
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    How to read passing shot by looking at opponent's stance ?

    QUICK, anybody know Zverev's email address?? I MUST ask him how to read the passing shot by looking at the opponent's Stance ?? This has to be the best kept secret. I have to learn this. this will help so much when I come to net
     
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    Oh yeah, Ferrer's got a lot of merit. He's a better player than Nadal because he lost the Roland Garros final to him in straight sets and also because he didn't get injured. Because Ferrer didn't get injured, he is a more skilled player than Nadal and is therefore a better player.

    This ranking system is beyond a joke.
     
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    The ranking points he has is all the merit each player needs. They each have points which exactly reflects their performance averages over the last 52 weeks.

    If a player is injured it's tough luck in sport. It always has been, and for good reason.
     
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    I'm not a great player and even I do this. I deliberately do a controlled "shank" shot because I feel more comfortable hitting it that way at certain moments during a point.
     
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