anyone used magnets for injuries?

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  1. Tempest344

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    friend of mind used this magnet cord thing around his damaged knee
    and it really sped up the healing

    he was due in for surgery too but he didn't need to go.......amazing stuff

    A coach I know also uses for his playing arm wrist
    he can't play without it otherwise his wrist will hurt

    dunno how they work but obviously they do some good
     
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  2. rasajadad

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    I tried magnets on my TE and didn't get any results. It was an elastic elbow and forearm brace that had the magnets in it. Although it was relatively expensive, there was a 30 day trial with a money back guarantee. (Which I took advantage of!)
     
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    People convince themselves on some pretty crazy things. Don't get too taken up by snake oil users or sellers...
     
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  4. BeHappy

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    what's ther science behind this?I know there's iron in the blood, des it increase blood flow to the area or something?
     
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    I was given a Trion Z one for free, I don't think it does anything but it looks pretty cool (pink/black)
     
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  6. iradical18

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    Couldn't have said it better myself. That being said, I'm like a cat and a ball of yarn when it comes to magnets. They're just too damn fun to play with!
     
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    Thats called the Placebo effect, pretty interesting stuff.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
     
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  8. RestockingTues

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    That's exactly how it works; short term use will increase blood flow and that will promote healing, but I hear long term use isn't too good for you though.
    Don't ask me why it's bad, i'm just a gullible high school student :)
     
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    sounds like magnetotherapy to me. physiotherapists use it all the time. heck im doing it right now.
     
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    Tried magnets once for sore shoulder and they did absolutely nothing for me. A former co-worker used to sell magnetic therapy products as a second job. He had visions of generating $30K per month from selling the stuff and quitting his day job. He never did get to that level of sales. Listening to his sales spiel the whole concept sounded kind of hokey.
     
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  11. matchpoint

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    I swear to god they can improve your game, put one on each side of your racket they are very good replacement for lead. :mrgreen:
     
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    I'm thinking of developing a line of colonic magnets. Anyone interested?
     
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    We could integrate our lines. I'm coming out with some penis implants and 'attractive' clitoral magnets. ;) They will bring new vibrance to the phrase 'hooking up'. ;)

    -Robert
     
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  14. NLBwell

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    Actually, magnets work quite well in certain applications. They have been shown in medical tests to speed bone healing and I have seen two people with complex bone fractures who avoided what seemed like certain surgery using them. They have been shown to be effective in some double blind trials in helping fibromyalgia. Very strong magnets have even been shown to be helpful and are now used medically to treat severe depression.
    For myself, they have allowed me to play tennis with my rotator cuff problems after I was essentially out of the game otherwise. If I stop using them, after two matches I am forced to sit out for several weeks, so I've learned to believe in them. I've seen them work dramatically on other people's shoulders also. I've not had a whole lot of luck with them helping tennis elbow, though. For those who think it is just placebo effect, you need to read the scientific literature.
     
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  15. Forehand Forever

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    NLBwell, how exactly are you using the magnets for your shoulder?
     
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  16. Babb

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    Magnets for healing? Sounds like witchcraft to me......
     
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  17. 35ft6

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    If magnets don't work, I heard sleeping inside a glass pyramid does wonders for cramps and tennis elbow.
     
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  18. JackSkellington

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    Complete bs--been debunked many times

    That said, I'd like to try out the colonic magnet line o_O
     
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    Technically an MRI machine would class as a "healing tool" since it locates serious injuries. :)
     
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    I wonder if TW will stock any glass pyramids anytime soon...
     
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  21. El Diablo

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    Magnetic fields themselves have not been found useful in treating depression. Magnets have been used in depression but only to induce a convulsion, and the convulsions have been the therapeutic element. Such convulsions are usually induced by electric current (electroshock therapy) and many years ago were induced by insulin-induced hypoglycemia.
     
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    I have a magnetic mattress that I started sleeping on about four years ago when I developed reflex sympathetic dystrophy, a neurological disease that can greatly compromise circulation to extremities (sometimes even leading to amputation). Before I got the mattress I had to use multiple blankets to stay warm at night. I noticed a huge difference right away after getting the mattress that I was much much warmer at night which means the magnets were working to improve my circulation and hence keep me warmer. I highly recommend them if increasing blood flow is your goal.

    Thanks,

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  23. NLBwell

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    Forehand Forever:
    I use a NIKKEN MagBoy, which is a plastic case with two magnetic balls in it. I rub it on my shoulder (you don't actually have to touch it to the skin, but if you do it also kind of massages it) for about 5 minutes before I play. Make sure you do it before you play, if you do it after your arm is already starting to hurt it can make you feel more uncomfortable sometimes (anywhere from the achy feeling you get from acupuncture to hurting pretty good if you have already irritated your shoulder a lot). When I was healing up my shoulder, I used to use it for 5 minutes at a time several times a day, whenever I was just sitting on the couch. I did no other type of therapy.

    El Diablo - The magents work similarly to the stiumulated convulsions that they used to use, but it does not have nearly the side effects such as memory loss that they had. I don't believe the magnets cause actual convulsions, though. I haven't gone back and checked, so you can correct me if I'm wrong.

    Liquidsun - Studies have not shown that magnets directly increase blood flow, but they do seem to have that effect in many cases. I know of a case where someone's feet were about to be amputated, and just days before the amputation was scheduled they tried magnets and very quickly her feet returned to normal and they were fine from then on (of course, still using the magnets). Generally, though the beneficial effects of magnets are subtle and occur over long periods of time.

    For all:
    Soviet weightlifters used magnets to recover from strenuous workouts quicker. You may believe or not, but they did, and they used every trick in the book (or really, wrote the book on tricks).


    The laws of electromagnatism state that a changing magnetic field (such as say, rotating magnets) cause a current in a conducting material. Also, your body has on the order of as much electricity in its cells as a power plant puts out. You may accept the evidence of their benefits to health or not, but you can't say they have no effect on the body.
     
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  24. Vermillion

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    Having the placebo effect is better than having no effect at all, no?

    I never tried the magnets though, might be fun ;)
     
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    Placebo...and in Soviet Russia, weights lift you!
     
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  26. Tempest344

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    I doubt it
    the coach i work for is living proof
    he had a bad wrist injury a while ago you can see it on his wrist...big bump where there shouldn't be one

    but now he can play
    if he is wearing the magnets around his wrist

    not that it matters seeing as he can play almost as well left-handed too
     
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  27. Posture Guy

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    I've had mixed results.

    I tend to agree with those who think it's the placebo effect. But we had an interesting experience with a dog. We had a rottweiller who developed a bad limp. She was about 8 years old and I was praying it was arthritis, but suspected it might be a tumor. Had a dog years before with a very similar symptom and it turned out to be bone cancer. Went the whole 9 yards with that one, including surgery and chemo. Spent thousands we didn't really have and lost her when it metasticized to her spine.

    So I delayed taking her to the vet and tried a few things in the hopes that it was some kind of injury or arthritic change. She had gotten to the point where she could barely negotiate our stairs. We borrowed a friend's magnetic pet bed and had her sleep on it for a few days. 3 days later she was going up and down the stairs with no problem. We even took her on a 5 mile hike, no limp at all. I was thrilled.

    she did great for a few weeks and then the symptoms returned and got even worse. Xrays showed it was indeed a malignant tumor and a few weeks after that we had to put her down.

    Not sure why she improved when she started sleeping on that bed. Could the timing have been coincidental and she would've improved for a short time anyway, without it? No way of knowing. It's possible. But it sure seemed like it helped. It was the only variable that changed. Doubt it was the placebo effect with her. She was smart, but she wasn't that smart.

    then a few months later my wife had to have knee surgery and her recovery was slow. Range of motion was coming back very slowly. We remembered the experience the dog had and thought what the heck, let's try something for her knee. So we got a special magnetic knee wrap from Nikken. She wore it to dinner (about a 20 minute drive), took it off to eat, then wore it on the way home, and when we got home she was walking around and decided to test her range of motion and she could generate literally twice as much flexion (knee bend) as she could the day before.

    again, could it have been something else? Sure. We've gotten a few other of their products. Sometimes we notice no change, sometimes we think they may provide some benefit. Honestly, if you put a gun to my head I'd say they have no physiological impact, but then I have had a few personal experiences that made me wonder.

    In my business I work with people in pain every day and I do not recommend such products for them. There's just no data to support such a position, but I'm always on the lookout for stuff that might help. Most is, indeed, snake oil.

    with magnets, I've had just enough personal experience to think there MAY be something there, but not enough to be convinced of it. At this point, I remain open but fundamentally skeptical.
     
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  28. r2473

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    Absolutely!! Magnets are a great place to keep my doctors number....along with the pizza guy and the escort service (both of which have been proven to help with injuries).
     
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  29. onehandbh

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    When I injure my ankle I use a giant magnet to help heal it.
    First I lie down on a bed and then I elevate my injured ankle and all
    the giant magnet to help pull the blood from the foot and reduce swelling.

    The giant magnet I use is called "The Earth."
     
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    Time to call in Bernardo Gui.
     
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  31. jimanuel12

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    i started a thread on this a couple of years ago - with all the same results. everyone made fun of it but in some cases i have known where they work miracles. my friend who is a doctor put one on his bad knee - he is a runner - he never had anymore problems with his knee again. that has been over 2 years ago.
    i really do think they work for some people - i think they increase the blood flow and healing process.
    some people will never believe it though - like some people used to think the earth was flat.
    if it helps you then go for it. i am going to try them for my TE. if it works for me, then i don't care what other people think.:)
     
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  32. r2473

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    Is there anything you HAVEN'T tried for TE?
     
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    i thought i would try brown rice and vegetables next - you never hear of a vegetarian having TE.:)
     
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  34. r2473

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    I'm just kidding. TE obvioulsy sucks. If I had TE, I'd rub raw sewage on my elbow if I thought there was even a chance it might help.

    Hope you find something that works.
     
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  35. jimanuel12

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    i couldn't help myself with the reply - all in good natured fun.
    i would not wish TE on my WORST enemy. it really does suck big time.
    i only had it one time in the last 40+ years i have played tennis. That was about 30 years ago and it finally went away once i quit playing for the season but this time i hurt it bad and it never did really heal and it is a pain.
    i am not going to play anymore until it heals for good.
    i will keep everyone informed on what i find out. if i find a "cure" that works for me, then i will sing it from the mountain tops and let everyone know what worked for me.
    you take care.:)
     
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  36. mctennis

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    So again, why would a magnet help with blood circulation?
    Just wondering. I'm not a big fan of spending a lot of money on something that is expensive that is an iffy proposition if it will work or not.
     
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  37. Champs990411

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    Read this thread and decided to buy a magnetic ankle wrap to see what it would do for my Achilles tendon issue which I have not been able to shake.

    It came yesterday in the mail. I wore it last night sleeping and this morning my ankle felt the best it has getting out of bed in 3+ years. I'm SOLD so far.
     
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    I employed a similar magnet strategy when recovering from shoulder surgery. Used one to put my rehab schedule on the fridge.:)

    True story.
     
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    Sometimes I wonder if the benefits of the magnetic wrap are trapping body heat, like wearing a low level heating pad while sleeping.

    That said, we had two experiences with magnets. I was talking with a couple of professional athletes who had been discussing using magnets to rehab injuries. I was skeptical, but they were adamant that it had helped them return to their sports faster. My wife had had knee surgery a few weeks before and her ability to flex her knee was pretty limited. So we thought we'd try a knee wrap. Got it in the mail, then went out to dinner that night. She wore it in the car on the way to dinner, then on the way home. About 30 minute drive each way. Got home and she tested her range of motion and her knee flexion had increased dramatically. We were both really surprised.

    Decided to try it then on our dog. At the time, she was limping very badly. We were concerned it was cancer, had lost a prior dog to a bone tumor, but was hoping it was something less serious. Hadn't gotten her checked out yet, we went the full oncological route with the prior dog and we just couldn't do that again, either financially or emotionally ($1200 per round of chemo, for example). So we got her a magnetic pet bed. This was a full bred Rottweiller, a great dog. Within a week, she went from no longer being able to climb the stairs because of pain to moving normally, it was amazing. Actually took her on a hike and she did beautifully. At that point I was hoping all was well, but it did turn out to be cancer and a month or so later we had to put her down. But I'll never forget how she responded to that pet bed.

    I've tried magnetics on a few different injuries, honestly never felt much benefit. But what happened both with my wife's knee and our dog was dramatic.
     
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    i have got one taped to my elbow right now, will see how it does today.:)
     
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    Nice! Let us know. Mornings still unbelievable with my Achilles. Wish I got these a long time ago.

    I'll need to get one for my elbow to keep handy.
     
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  42. KineticChain

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    the wonders of placebo effect
     
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  43. jimanuel12

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    it seems to help a little - no cure but the pain is much less.:)
     
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