AO 2009 Final - Rafa Nadal vs. Roger Federer

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Federer vs. Nadal

  1. Federer in 3

    40 vote(s)
    14.3%
  2. Federer in 4

    88 vote(s)
    31.4%
  3. Federer in 5

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    9.3%
  4. Nadal in 3

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  5. Nadal in 4

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    12.1%
  6. Nadal in 5

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    17.9%
  7. Verdasco kills Nadal in the middle of the match

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  1. cucio

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    Wut? The mods nuked the other thread? Is their show to run, but it is disappointing for the innocent bystanders that get their perfectly good posts deleted. Ban more, delete less, I says.
     
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  2. fastdunn

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    The bounce is truer on hard court. Therefore it's slightly easier for Federer to time those spinned balls from Nadal compared that on clay or even grass.
     
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  3. TheMusicLover

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    Well yes, of course it will also depend on Nadal - but as far as I've been able to see his matches, I barely noticed any inconsistency from him. That's what I meant to say: we know what to expect from him. Top-level, maintaining his focus and fighting for every point. I just can't see him 'choke' in any way.

    I don't think the Verdasco match will have much impact on Nadal's fitness. 48 hours should be enough for a top athlete to recover completely. But you can count on it that the trolls will surely bring it up as an excuse if it happens that he loses. ;)

    WOW, my thoughts exactly. I can think of at least one name that I'd rather not see around for a while. That fellow with his Broken Capslock name. ;)
     
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  4. hoodjem

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    I just watched the Nadal -Verdasco semi again. Nadal is doomed. He is spent. His body will give out halfway through a third set.

    Rafa will have to retire. Fed will get 14 with the help of Fernando.
     
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  5. sheq

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    thats not roger's fault..his rivals should avoid exhausting themselves..

    look at roger how he always achieve to preserve his best shape for the finals
     
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  6. YouCantBeSerious

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    HAHAHAHA. That's funny because you are implying that if he had met Berdych in the semi he wouldn't have let it get out of control. Fed is good, but he can't predict the future and has to contend with the laws of physics like other mortals do. If Verdasco had met Fed in the semi, I am willing to bet he wouldn't have had it any easier than Nadal did.
     
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  7. Purostaff

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    Nadal will retire in 5th set
     
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  8. TheMusicLover

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    Don't think so, but I do think it's a safe bet that somewhere in the match he'll call the trainer. ;)
     
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  9. IvanAndreevich

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    So, any news on the score of this match, HAPPYforTHEvictory?
     
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  10. martini1

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    The match will be closer than most people think. However, Rafa's hard court returning skills is just opening a lot of room for Fed to rack up some nice service games. Look at how bad Rafa was against Verdasco's serves. It will be more problematic against Fed.

    I expect this go 5 sets (I hope so)! Another classic in the making!
     
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  11. OddJack

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    You are fooling yourself. What's your experience level in tennis, if you dont mind? Brad GIlbert ( former Murray coach) Pat Mac( US Davis cup captian)last night both gave the edge to Federer. Just let me know why you think you know better than these guys? Not that they know it for crtain, but you are talking here with some crtainty.
     
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  12. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Probably no bagel this time, but straight sets again.
     
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  13. Dash

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    Rafa in 4. If he recovers well, he may get it in 3 with tiebreaks.
    Rafa played Roger in outdoor HC three times: 04 Miami, 05 Miami and 06 Dubai. Rafa blew a lead of 2 sets and 1 break up in the 3rd set and finally lost his steam in 05 Miami final. Considering Roger was in his prime 04-06 and Rafa was still a teenager, it is safe to say Rafa's game is a bad matchup for Roger on outdoor HC from the start.
    I don't include Rafa's two losses at master cups 06 and 07 in this analysis because in Shanghai the court speed was way much faster and less bouncy than AO.
    And one more factor to consider is that Rafa has a tendency to get burned out toward the year end. This year AO, Rafa is as fresh as daisy. He spent less court time than Roger before the semi and there was no sign of fatigue at the end of the match against Verdasco. 42 hours should be enough to get 90% recharged.
    Rafa has improved this HC game considerably and played smartly against different players en route to the final.
    The most important factor to swing the match is 2nd serve return. In the past Rafa has played better than Roger in their matches.
     
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  14. aznstryder712

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    All in All we just dont know what will happen. just gotta wait and hope its a good match
     
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  15. zebra77

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    Nadal will always try to do his best, as always, I am hoping for 5 sets match
     
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  16. Fedace

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    If Nadal is fresh and is able to chase down Roger's groundies then Rafa should win. if Rafa is slow and tired like he was at Hamburg 2 years ago then Roger will win.
     
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  17. varsity8993

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    Nadal is tired but he's also got 5 years on Fed. When you're used to playing 2-3 matches a day since you're 5 years old, having a full day of rest doesn't seem so bad. Fed didn't exactly collapse on the court with Del Potro after his 5 setter against Berdy, did he?
     
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  18. Tennis4203

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    he just played in the longest match of AO history - something like what 5 hours and 14 min?

    if i remember correctly, last year chennai when nadal was pushed to a 3 setter against moya
    the day later he lost to youzhny, 6-1 6-0 or something like that.

    it is true that nadal has an awesome physique however, a match like that
    will still take a toll on him.

    also fed is in great form, and he only played a 3 setter.
     
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  19. rubberduckies

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    Hahahaha. What a fool. P_Agony is a huge Fedfan. This post is indicative of the sheer vanity and bigotry that are at the heart of every Fedfan.
     
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  20. matchmaker

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    The only thing I see is Nadal coughing up short balls. He did so against Simon and also against Verdasco. Fed won't pardon him for that.

    I really hoped Nadal had learned to play on HC, but it seems he still gets into clay court mode and that is not the way to win a HC slam.
     
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  21. rubberduckies

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    Yeah, but there's no rest in between matches at those events.

    As a Nadal fan, I'm worried about him being tired for the final. Nobody really should care what any tv commentator says about anything. Period.

    I think Nadal makes some very questionable choices with his shot selection. He wants to hit through his opponents rather than around them. For example, when he gets a midcourt bouncer and has time to run around for an inside-out forehand he'll hit crosscourt even if that's exactly where his opponent is standing. Somebody must remind to go DTL in those situations because if he hits his opponent will have no chance to return. He could've won Wimbledon in the 4th tiebreak had hit DTL on set point rather than CC right at Roger. He also needs to anticipate defensive slices better when he cranks a shot. He'll often hit, get a couple steps closer to net, than retreat and wait for what would've been a very easy volley put-away.
     
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  22. Love Game

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    you also say, "Verdasco kills Nadal in the middle of the match" as a choice in your poll.

    not funny. [​IMG]
     
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  23. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Federer has had more trouble breaking Nadal's serve in their last few meetings than the other way around. Once they get in a baseline rally Nadal wins majority, so it is Nadal's serve that has been hardest to break because the rally starts off with Federer stretched wide.

    Verdasco served superbly and has got 75% of 1st serves in on average during this Australian Open. Verdasco mixed up his service speeds, with 3 competely different paces all about 25km difference. His serving was unpredictable and Nadal never read it. Nadal has always read Federer's serve, that won't be a problem.
     
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  24. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Nadal wanted to bring Verdasco so he could pass him, it worked nicely.

    Versus Simon, Nadal was hitting the ball with no pace, lots of slices and no flatballs (because in October Simon crushed the flatball for winners) so sometimes that resulted in some shortballs.
     
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  25. egn

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    First off topic fedace you do a lot of nadal supporting for a guy with fed in your name? Does the fed in fedace have anything to do with roger? (been bothering me for like a month now lol)

    On topic...I really think nobody is favored in this match, because neither have every played each other on this surface or in any hard court slam in something like the past 4 years...actually they have played what 1 best of 5 hardcourt match in 2005? I am just ready for the show.
     
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  26. SikSerb

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    Nadal played some great rallies with Fernando, great match but I think Federer will take the AUS open, in something like four sets. Looking forward to it.
     
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  27. mrDamien

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    Nadal in 4. The spanish will remain as No 1 in ATP rankings 2009.
     
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  28. Fedace

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    I think this gritty slow surface really favors Nadal. only unknown is how Tired is Nadal ??? He may just have to drink 5 gallons of 5 hour energy prior to the match. that might get him going just long enough..:)
     
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  29. cys19

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    Federer in 3.
     
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  30. leonardtay

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    I say Roger in 3 or 4... not because Nadal is tired or whatever but because Roger is better than Nadal on hard courts and this is not the Roger of 2008.
     
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  31. FEDXFAN

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    Fed has no chance, he's done and should retire. No wait, that's what I was reading 5 months ago. What has happened now. I guess maybe he's got a slight chance on Sunday since Nadal will now be tired, no ??
     
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  32. Halba

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    federer has been serving like a machine and his forehand has been a machine . i reckon straight sets. rafa's short balls are his key weakness. fed has no weakness at the moment
     
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  33. Drewwonu

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    I love Nadal as a player, but i need to speak the truth. I think Federer is going to crush him. Nadals 5 hours of running semi-final match is going to take a big cut at him physically in the finals. It may not show for the first 3 sets, but after that i can see him loosing his mojo.
     
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  34. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Who says Nadal will need more than 3 sets to beat Federer? Watch the first set, watch Federer get down on himself after it.
     
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  35. Brutus

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    Fair claim, but I disagree. There are certainties, especially in tennis. Like the fact that this will be a good match.

    Another fact: Federer to win. 4 sets more likely. Straight sets very possible.
     
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  36. iriraz

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    Most of Federer-Nadal matches weren`t great matches.Some matches were full of drama going to a 5th set but mostly it was:Federer winner,Nadal passing shot,Federer error.
    Federer`s winners and UE`s were the dominating stats of their matches.
     
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    I really don't care who wins. After seeing the semi, I can only have the deepest respect possible for Nadal.

    I hope he recovers quickly, and there are no trainers called, and there are no retirements), I hope for a great match and may the best player win.

    I suspect Rafa may be very tired, but I hope I am wrong. Best wishes to both Rafa and Roger.
     
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  38. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    It is impossible for Federer to win this final. It is a horrible matchup for Federer and the beatdown will be much like Roland Garros 08. I can't see Federer winning a set, though probably no bagel, slightly closer than RG08.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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  40. robin7

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    Nadal started strongly without having lost a single set till semi-finals.

    But Federer will be the favorite simply because
    (i) Federer won the semifinals against Del Potro convincing
    (ii) Federer has two day rest compared to Nadal's one day before the finals
    (iii) Nadal just survived a 5-hour marathon battle against Verdasco
     
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  41. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Del Potro's was the worst TANK JOB I've ever seen in a quarter-final, deserves to be fined.
     
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  42. NandoMania

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    Fernando would never do such a thing!
     
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  43. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Thanks for the FAIL graphic, might use it Sunday :D
     
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  44. Leublu tennis

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    I thought I'd already voted once. These threads should be combined.
     
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  45. 1970CRBase

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    Nadal 6-3 6-4 7-5
     
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  46. vtmike

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    Federer fan all the way!
     
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  47. vtmike

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    Yeah he does....and that is why Nadal's game just looks so forced and he always looks like he is under pressure when he is playing.....Feds game on the other hand is more natural and it dosen't feel like someone is holding a gun to his head....ready to shoot if he misses!
     
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  48. HAPPYforTHEvictory

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    Uncle Toni is the number one coach in tennis history.

    That green guy in Verdasco's box is what I call creepy.
     
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  49. MarrratSafin

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    Nadal in 5. Just wanna see someone other than Fed win the AO, he's got too many already.:)
     
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  50. shadows

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    Other thread vanished?

    Slept on it, still think that Feds got the edge.
     

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