Too many questionable premises above to debate, as it would take the thread far off topic. I'd dispute all of your definitions and interpretations if we had time to sit down and chat about it, but such debates about semantics never get anywhere... ____________________ Back on topic of the thread. Good to see Stephens take out Williams. I was sad to see her get somewhat routinely defeated by Azarenka today, but am hoping she continues to make progress. I don't really care how Serena played. As with any tennis match, it's what you have on the day you play. Not everyone plays their best every day, and winning ugly is something players have to find a way to do if they're going to be the GWOAT.