AO 2013 - Quarterfinals - Serena Williams v. Sloane Stephens

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Who will win - the Mentor or the Mentee?

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  1. Serena in 2

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  2. Sloane in 2

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  3. Serena in 3

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  4. Sloane in 3

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  1. Winners or Errors

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    Too many questionable premises above to debate, as it would take the thread far off topic. I'd dispute all of your definitions and interpretations if we had time to sit down and chat about it, but such debates about semantics never get anywhere...
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    Back on topic of the thread. Good to see Stephens take out Williams. I was sad to see her get somewhat routinely defeated by Azarenka today, but am hoping she continues to make progress.

    I don't really care how Serena played. As with any tennis match, it's what you have on the day you play. Not everyone plays their best every day, and winning ugly is something players have to find a way to do if they're going to be the GWOAT.
     
  2. Love Game

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    semantics:
    1 : the study of meanings:
    a: the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development.
    3 b: the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings
    .... mirriam-webster

    According to the rules of logic, an argument is either valid or invalid. In my experience, those (including judges appointed for life) who must redefine the established definitions of words in order to achieve rhetorical validity are on the far left side of the political spectrum and inevitably want to change the United States Constitution to suit themselves, rather than in accordance with legal Amendment procedure.

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    sloane stephens is "new guard" of women's tennis. both s.williams and v.azarenka used medical time outs (rather than tennis prowess) to try to throw sloane off her rhythm and "win ugly--by any means necessary." Both of their MTOs were ten minutes, rather than the three allowed by the rule book.

    my feeling is that both azarenka's and williams' best tennis is behind them. stephens will only improve ... it's what's between her ears (her attitude determines her altitude) that makes the difference ... and women's tennis, itself, will be the better for it. IMHO
     
  3. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    1. Stephens has not proven herself as part of any "new guard," since she won one match thanks to an injured player, and lost in convincing fashion in the next round, which she well on her way to do before any medical time-out.

    2. Stephens has not won a major, nor is she close to winning one. Her AO run was not even as impressive as Oudin's USO run from 2009, where the latter defeated 3 top, healthy players (Dementieva, Petrova and Sharapova) in a row.


    3. The same crap posted about Serena last year at this time...and how did the year turn out? Serena dominating the last two majors, taking out any top player she faced (including Wimbledon's then-defending champion in the introverted Kvitova), along with making history in the Gold Medal match at the Olympics.

    That was no accident, fluke or anything other than a healthy Serena doing her job. If Williams' ankle had not rolled in her 1st round match, Stephens would not have been able to stumble her way into a semifinal.

    It would not be a stretch to see her defend her 2012 majors titles this year.



    She may or may not improve. Oudin's truly impressive USO run had the talking heads predicting the same thing, yet this did not happen. Vaidisova also had impressive majors runs, and long before she retired, it was apparent her run was not to become something she would build on.

    That happens more often than new players rising to become majors winners.


    4. You claim Azarenka's best tennis is behind her, when her career is still in the freshman stages? Funny you do not say anything of the sort about the loser in your avatar.

    Bias is never a good thing.
     
  4. Love Game

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    hahaha ... that's your opinion and youre welcome to it, but mine is just as good as yours! :razz: ... Bias is what opinion is to the guy with a different opinion, so right back atcha big guy! :D

    I don't remember vaidisova, and i never felt strength from oudin ..... as for the "loser in my avatar" ... that i agree with you on. she's a loser and a cheater, as is azarenka .... can't win without creating the hindrance of the scream ... the williams sisters also pull the hindrance scream out of their pockets whenever they start getting behind ... hahahaha at the way errani/vinci screamed as much and ended up beating the WS ..... that's what all those cheating screamers deserve: screaming in kind ..... a scream is not a grunt. grunting is not the problem. screaming is the problem.

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  5. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    No, there is a difference between opinion and the facts of history--the latter you are not using.

    Fact one: in 2012, many treid to write of Serena after the AO/FO results. That blew up in their faces as she won Wimbledon, the USO and made history at the Olympics. You are doing the same thing, and trying to ignore that a fully healthy Serena was next to invincible in the 2nd half of 2012.

    Please tell us how that is not how history unfolded.

    How long have you watched tennis? She reached the semis of the '06 FO, semis of the '07 AO, and was a Wimbledon QF in2007/'08. Far greater majors run than Stephens, who only reached a majors SF thanks to an injured player.

    Fact two: If you recalled history, then you would know Vaidisova and Oudin had stronger majors runs, but it did not amount to anything. Stephens has not proven anything by getting (what amounted to) a near-walkover by playing an injured player. Further, you cannot spin or erase her 1st set beatdown at the hands of Azarenka, who (before that set was midpoint) clearly had more than an edge over Stephens. Thus, her AO results are no idication that she is part of some "new guard" in the way majors winner Azarenka is.

    Her USO run was all the "strength" one needed to think she was going somehwere, having defeated 3 top players in a row, but for all of that success, the game fell apart, and everyone figured her game out.


    It is amusing how the majority of players never complain about this so-called screaming, nor does it prevent others from defeating such players, otherwise, Sharapova would have 30 majors by now if it was such an advantage. Moreover, Kvitova is about as mousy as anyone could be, but she's not campaigning to bring an end to vocal players.
     
  6. Love Game

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    oh my. how angry you are. the future has yet to be revealed ... funny how you call the screamers "vocal players" ..... and how you refer to it as "so-called" screaming ... there are instruments that can measure the decibel level, revealing the difference between a "grunt" and a "scream" ..... Hello! "history" has nothing to do with an individual's "biased" (according to you) opinion ... opinions aren't based on "history." instead, theyre based on whatever "facts" have accumulated inside the head of the individual who has the opinion.

    go ahead. keep soft pedalling their cheating and pretending that their screaming isnt offensive ..... i've heard commentators talk for a couple of years now about how the other players are afraid of serena, how they freeze up and stop playing their usual games when s.williams ("i'll stuff this ball down your throat") is their opponent ..... I like sloane for not being the timid mouse those others are.

    none of us is obliged to believe that the other players dont complain about the screeching, screaming, ruination of the enjoyment ..... because i've heard commentators reading emails over and over for two years now about how the screaming has ruined their enjoyment of watching the matches. didnt you see the FO a couple years ago where the fans wouldnt stop imitating/mocking azarenka? and did you notice how happy and cheering they were when s.williams went out in the first round last year?

    it's the fans complaining about those hideous screeches that has caused officials to try to figure out how to stop it .... cheaters like vika say with scornful contempt, "Good luck with that." that's the way those cheaters are: they apply "any means necessary" to continue adding to their millions, including hindering their opponents with screams to mask the sound of the ball hitting the strings of their own rackets and continuing until the opponent is about to hit the ball on the other side of the net .... not to mention taking ten minute MTOs when the rules permit only three!

    p.s. I've only been watching tennis since Rafa beat Fred in Wimby 2008 ... and i can't afford one of those high priced satellite or cable systems that allows people to watch every match! :cool:

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  8. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    ..that would be you--as your history of attacking the Williams sisters is well known on this board.

    If you believed that, then you would not leap to two unsubstantiated claims:

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    As of this date, she's another in a long line of current players, but the "new guard" title is generally applied to those who have made a breakthrough statement--like winning a major.

    Call us when that happens, but until then, your comment is a reference to a future that has not occured.

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    How can you arrive at this conclusion sans anything to base that on. Have you seen the future to know who will win the rest of the majors? No--you cannot know that, and ignore the events of 2012, which suggest a very different future.


    It is "so called screaming," and there's no overwhelming movement by other players to stop it, so it is not the issue you--or a couple of talking heads--want it to be.


    The players' opinions matter more than yours. They have to deal with this so-called screaming, and while playing events, don't have the option to leave the seat or change the channel. On that note, they are not a mass force marching on WTA headquarters demanding action. They do not care. You do, but it has not hurt ratings, so again, the issue is irrelevant.
     
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  9. Love Game

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    how sad a rant, thundervalley. the way you slice and dice and mix and match first a sentence from one post, then a sentence from another post reveals your desperation to patch together some kind of point, but i'll guess i'm not the only one who's unable to figure out what it is ..... my "history" is, as I already said, part of the opinion salad that exists in your head, and youre welcome to it, no matter how innacurate ..... but you really shouldnt slice and dice, mix and match in order to rewrite another person's opinion.

    the disadvantage of YOUR opinion is that we'd have to take your word for the inner thooughts of the professional players who face the hindrance cheaters across the net in order to credit it. But nobody here has the obligation to take your word for it ... and I don't.

    It's we, the spectators, who have been complaining about the screaming for a couple years now: we, the spectators who have to forego watching matches by the worst of the offenders azarenka and sharapova ... we whom our family members complain to when they hear the screams coming from the television from the other end of the house and come to ask us about it because it is disturbing THEM ... we whom the wta doesnt want to lose as audience ... we are the ones who matter to the tournament directors who want to put "butts in the seats" ..... so much so that they've already spoken to azarenka, sharapova and even the williams sisters about it ..... didn't you know that? ..... havent you really heard about the decibel meter theyve been threatening to start using?

    Go Li Na!!! Beat the Bellyaching Belarussian today!!! :mrgreen:

    LET'S DO AN EXPERIMENT:
    Since the russian has already been taken out, the only hindrance screamer who remains is the belarussian ..... and she will be playing (and hopefully lose) in a few hours:

    1. Count the number of times she does her hoot/scream in the first game.
    2. Count the number of games.
    3. Arrive at an estimate of the number of screams the belarussian puts onto the delicate inner ear hairs of anyone required to wear headphones to watch the match.

    "Hair cells are the sensory receptors of both the auditory system and the vestibular system in all vertebrates. In mammals, the auditory hair cells are located within the organ of Corti on a thin basilar membrane in the cochlea of the inner ear. They derive their name from the tufts of stereocilia that protrude from the apical surface of the cell, a structure known as the hair bundle, into the scala media, a fluid-filled tube within the cochlea. Mammalian cochlear hair cells come in two anatomically and functionally distinct types: the outer and inner hair cells. Damage to these hair cells results in decreased hearing sensitivity, i.e. sensorineural hearing loss. ..." -- Wiki @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_cell

    any player who forces a fan to watch a tennis match in silence in order to avoid having their hearing damaged is someone who should be slapped with a "hindrance" rule violation.

    in my opinion :razz:

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    How inconsiderate! telling spectators bothered by the hindrance screams to watch on mute or not at all ... :shock:

    typical: pretending knowledge of the "ratings" during the matches of the hindrance screamers compared to the matches of those who play fair :rolleyes:


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    http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/video/index.html?tabName=interviews

    Wise beyond her years, Sloane is fun to watch ... easy on the ears, easy on the eyes ... so not the I'll-stuff-this-ball-down-your-throat type ... rly hope she makes it to world no. 1

    hard copy of the unedited interview @ http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2013-01-24/201301241359013917679.html
     
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    Another "voice of reason" posting from LoveGame !
    Keep up the good work please.

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    Obviously, there is good reason why Serena pushers are suddenly sooooooooooo sensitive about Azarenka incident.
    Its because, in Azarenka's behavior, they are beginning to see the image of their own hero's character, which is low and rogue.
    By defending Azarenka's rotten behavior, they are trying to justify their own hero's.

    As LoveGame's post shows, Stephens possesses genuinely positive and humble character traits.
    Again, by putting down Stephens' character & achievement thus far, they are attempting to protect their own hero's flawed character.

    Simple as that.

    btw funny how Nadal pushers are joining Serena pushers on this too...


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    The most fail-filled post of the year.
     
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    thanks, BlewByU ... rock on! [​IMG]

    I almost felt sorry for V.Azarenka tonight in her battle with LiNa for the AO championship .... almost but not quite :twisted:

    sounded as if the entire stadium, except for the handful in Azarenka's box, the ones whose salaries she pays plus her bedmate BedHeadRed :razz:

    Victoria Azarenka AO champion and still World No. 1
    that crowd wanted The Hooter to lose ...
    but I've learned tonight that she's got the skin of a rhinoceros.

    Still, after having gone down a set to Li Na and only starting to come back after Li Na slipped and fell twice, hitting her head on the court in the process, Hooter was able to win only after her opponent had been injured.

    If her rhinoceros skin can protect azarenka from the wishes of 15,000 spectators all rooting for her opponent ... it would seem The Hooter's gonna hoot till she stops winning tennis matches. We already know she doesn't hoot/scream during her practices with her coach, who would probly slap her upside the head if she tried it on with him! :eek:
     
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    Referring to her as "Hooter" just illustrates how childish you are...along with your ****-poor predictions about Azarenka's best days being behind her. Everything is the polar opposite of your statements.
     
  16. Love Game

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    CMON, mr. grouchy pants! you actually put any stock in anybody's "feelings" (not predictions) on this board:?:

    Seriously, you gotta learn to not take the posts on this forum so seriously.

    She's a Hooter, and nobody in that stadium, nor in the match thread WANTED her to win, because nobody wants to hear her hindrance scream hoots.

    BTW, did you calculate the belarus beotch's number of hindrance hoots? I wouldnt be surprised if it was a couple of those scream/hoots that actually CAUSED LiNa to fall twice during their match! ;)
     

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