AO final boring.

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  1. Paul Murphy

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    I going to miss Federer.
    He brings a whole different skillset to a match, which makes the match greater than the sum of its parts.
    His artistry and elegance will be irreplaceable.
    I found a lot of the final dull - two baseline sluggers going at it on a slow court with little variation.
    Djokovic and Murray are both fine players but the spectacle was less than overwhelming for me.
    Tennis isn't what it used to be (and I'm talking about variety of styles and court speeds) and it's going to get a whole lot less interesting when the GOAT retires.
     
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  2. forzamilan90

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    Well he is not gone yet. We still have him for a few more years, and I personally think the Eagle is going to bring it in the other majors!!!!
     
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    You got that right! My son and I stayed up for it, not excited, I mean I told him to pick a winner and I'd take the other guy. After two boring baseline sets it was time for bed, BORING! Boring personalities, boring players.
     
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    This is how people feel when two grinders at similar skill level play each other.
     
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    The 2 best AO finals in recent time were Nadal/Fed 2009 and Djoko/Nadal 2012. I guess there's something exciting about Nadal :)
    The 3 finals with Murray have been somehow less intense and the end of the 2013 one was lopsided probably due at least in part to blisters. It happens.
     
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    I liked watching the djoko murray final.. I think its fun to watch longer points when two guys are grinding it out. Maybe because thats the way I actually play I could be a little bias but i do like watching longer more consistent points.
     
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    LOL @ Fed/Nadal 2009. Yeah, if you like seeing a choking scared guy get his backhand abused for 99.999% of the rallies, I guess you'll find it enjoyable. I quit watching that match after the 3rd set after seeing Federer consistently choke throughout while having his worst serving day against a tired opponent.

    Djokovic/Nadal was a grindfest from the baseline. 2 guys terrified of trying to end points so they stayed glued to the baseline waiting for the other guy to break down. :lol: And it went 6 unnecessarily long hours with all the stalling and long rallies.
     
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    No idea what you're talking about. Those were 2 magnificent matches. Pure classics.
     
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  9. Mike Sams

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    Fed/Nadal AO 2009 was junk! Federer's quality wasn't even subpar. Not even close to his best level. Junk overrated match.
     
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    What's your favorite AO final of the last 5 years? Do you have one or do you feel equally grumpy about all of them?
     
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    The 2012 AO Final was one of the best matches of all time.
     
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    I watched it from start to finish.
    Liked it, two similar players using their strengths regardless of other's weaknesses.
    DJ employed more strategy..wide serve, expecially 2nds, drop shots, much more coming in.
    Murray seemed to be winning until he body broke down, frustrating him to mistakes and going for more than he'd like.
    I hate both styles, but can admire the application.
     
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  13. Mike Sams

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    The finals have been underwhelming at the AO but Nadal/Djokovic was the best of the past 5 years because of the drama involved even though both players were terrified to trying to come to net. Just endless brutal rallies. It was ridiculous. The court speed has become a real problem for baseliners.
     
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    "court speed"...
    This latest AO had the fastest court speed ever, and net play by both players paid huge dividends.
     
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    Most finals involving Murray.. Outside of the USO last year, every slam final hes been in, his level has been RUBBISH

    And even at the USO Last year, he still blew a 2 set lead.
     
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    I'm glad we agree about at least 1 of my 2 choices.
     
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    it's the first time I did not finish watching an Ozzie open final.
    So boring, just exchanges of bh and fh, sometimes a dtl and that's it.
    May be I should watch the tabletennis then.
     
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  18. westside

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    Even I must admit, I watched the first 2 sets then found myself on my laptop, only looking up every few points. I just wanted to see some aggression at some point from them.
     
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    Well they were definitely being aggressive at times. The problem is they are probably the 2 best defenders in the world right now.
     
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  20. Clarky21

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    How can a slam final where the winner hit 61 ue in 4 sets be considered a classic? This match was a huge dud.
     
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  21. Mike Sams

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    Because points are decided by the first person who misses. :lol:
     
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  22. Defcon

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    No Nadal match is exciting. Are you high? Never mind, don't answer that.
     
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    Fedal is great imo
     
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  24. tlm

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    I was just watching that match again a couple of weeks ago and anyone who does not think that they were going for their shots and trying to end the points is a complete idiot and knows nothing about tennis.

    That was one of the best matches ever played easily, they were both knocking the crap out of the ball shot after shot. But a fed lover like yourself can not see through the hatred you hold for Nadal, because you can't get over how many times rafa rained on your heros parade.
     
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  25. edmondsm

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    Fed would've done better than Murray. Murray had a few things go wrong and he reverted back to the old, passive, pouting to himself Andy Murray. He doesn't have the tennis brain that Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic have. He can't keep his head in the match like they can.
     
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  26. Sid_Vicious

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    Murray kept up with Djokovic in the first two sets about as well as anybody can. There was very little that separated the two. The match essentially ended after the 2nd set when Murray started playing after his MTO. He could no longer move around the court and play the tennis he wanted to. By the end of the match, Murray was just a mess. He was howling in pain as he tried to chase Djokovic's shots.

    I think Murray is mentally solid now (not as good as Djokovic, but pretty good). He ran into a wall in the final because his body failed him, not his mind. I had to give him props that he was trying is absolute hardest to stay in the match when Djokovic was serving for it.
     
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  27. tlm

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    I agree he went back to his old self.
     
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    Don't know if I agree. It definitely looked like he just wasn't cracking the FH like he was in the first two sets. It looked like the old Murray who just hit rally shots and tried to rely on his movement.

    Wawrinka played Novak better than anybody in this tourney. Hopefully he can build on the fact that he was right there with the guy who ended up winning the final.
     
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    No idea if it was boring or not. I refuse to watch that goo.
     
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    The first time I ever didn't finish watching a slam.

    The result looked obvious and the play looked just like the point before. :zzzzz:
     
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    I didn't attend the final for obvious reasons but I know people who did. They said there was no atmosphere at all and that it was a complete joke. Lots of people here and abroad tried to sell there tickets as soon as rog lost but were unsuccessful so they were forced to go and hated every minute of it. I just wonder what's around the corner for tennis when the great master retires. Lets all just appreciate him now while we still have him!
     
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  32. kalyan4fedever

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    The answer simplifies to one thing and one thing only the versatility of Roger federer makes any match he is in wonderful to watch. So any match including the GOAT that is Roger is excellent and boring does not come into equation...Murraa, Djokobich, rafa are mega pushers in the descending order, so any match up b/w these 3c2 = 3 combinations are boring #FACT
     
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    I recorded it on the FVR and ended up fast forwarding through sections of it and was able to see the whole thing in about an hour which helped. It was a snoozefest.

    Conversely, the Djokivic-Wawrinka match was just awesome and my favorite match of the tournament. Murray-Fed was pretty good too.
     
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    Murray Djokovic matches can never be all that exciting like Fedal.We have to get used to it. Fed and Nada style are so different like a day and night,but this makes their matches even more interesting.
     
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  35. augustobt

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    If you started to watch tennis matches since 2011, I can tell you at least 5 better matches.
     
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  36. BeHappy

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    It's simiar to Henin in the WTA. All the other players were exactly the same (Williams sisters, Sharapova, Ivanovic, Petrova etc), but when Henin played any of them the clash of styles (well the visual difference in technique) made the matches interesting and even allowed you to appreciate those other players.

    Murray/Djoker is a bad match up. They cancel each other out. I like Nadal/Murray and I like Federer/Djoker, but all the other match ups are terrible and are foregone conclusions. Djoker always beats Nadal, Nadal always beats Murray and Federer etc.

    Have Federer and Nadal ever played a match of this standard for example? I consider this far higher in quality than Wimbledon 2008:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkOhsBWDQHY

    Same with this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gle4wlWQKw

    Tennis just has boring match ups right now.
     
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  37. Hodgey20

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    Read the book Greatest matches of all time. Steve Flink ranks it at #7 and I think he knows what hes talking about
     
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    Thank you for the link to the clay match. It is a pleasure to see such a classic in high quality.

    I remember that when I watched the Wimbledon final 2008, I thought that it was the best match ever. The scenario was so amazing: Nadal had punished Fed at RG and was reaching the number 1 place. The match was all about Fed having his revenge and putting Nadal back in place. After losing the first two set, he won the next two in close tiebreak. The suspense in the fifth was amazing. This was the most interesting story line for a tennis match, and for this reason I thought it was the best ever. But when I watched it again last year it was not as interesting, because the tennis wasn't the best. I think it is the same for the AO 2012 final. The people who were fascinated by the story liked it a lot. A lot of suspense, a lot of reversal, a broader meaning (the fight of Nadal to stop bloodshed). But here again I don't think that tennis wise it was a great match, and it certainly can't be watched again (if only for the time).

    A lot of the greater match didn't happened neither in slam, neither in final. Match I would see again: Fed - Nalbandian US Open 2003, Nadal - Davydenko Rome SF (don't know the year), Nadal - Federer Rome final, Fed - Nadal WTF 2007, Fed - Nadal master cup 2006.
     
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    I posted this yesterday but I feel this years AO final had one redeeming quality vs the 2012 final.

    It did not last 6 hours!!!!

    Other than that there was not much to get excited about. Not a lot of great shot making (this was even stated by the commentators during the match), Murray unable to convert on any of his dozens of break points, and then for most of the last 2 sets Murray breaking down on points and hitting the UE.
     
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  40. heninfan99

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    The AO 2013 final was hard to watch. Their styles don't contrast enough to make compelling viewing. I kept watching just to see the outcome. It seemed Djokovic didn't really swing freely until he had a nice lead.

    However, I do like the faster play due to the time rule enforcement.
     
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    tried staying up to watch .. I lasted less than a set ... that match put me to sleep right away ... woke up and caught the re-play later the next morning and watched to whole match ... it was boring to watch 2 great players with similar styles play each other ... the first 2 sets were brutal this match like Murray said '' it could have gone either way"" ... still too tough to watch unless you're a real tennis fan...
     
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  42. mattennis

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    It depends on what kind of tennis you like.

    For me, today's conditions (court's speed, balls and strings) reward too much defence, top-spin, and hamper flat attacking shots.

    In past eras, a hard flat attacking shot was rewarded, because on many courts (at least 1/3 of the season) it was very difficult to retrieve this kind of shots.

    Look at this for example (they exchange baseline shots until one of them hits a hard flat attacking shot that usually is an outright winner or at least puts you in a very comfortable position to finish the point at the net). Even Chang, who was the fastest player out there, could do nothing to retrieve that kind of shot with intention on that kind of courts (it was not a serve fest, by the way, it was mainly a baseline game match, but on a court the rewarded flat attacking baseline shots).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Y_z4ymRp0
     
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  43. sunof tennis

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    I agree. Tennis is always going to be more interesting when the two opponents have constrasting styles. Not taking anything away from Murray or Djokovic as players, but they play very similarly. Nver be the rilvary of McEnroe v. Borg/Connors, Sampras v. Agassi, Federer v. Nadal (clay excepted).
    And yes, it would be great if there were more variety in court surfaces. The courts now are so slow, that even if a player hits a good approach, the defending player with the modern technology has too great a chance of passing.
     
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  44. augustobt

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    Dude, about tennis matches I don't read books, I write them. And I'm pretty sure that 2012's AO Final wasn't even the best match of that tournament.
     
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