Appreciation of Novak Djokivic's Strong Mentality

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  1. sepidoel

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    I 'm really amazed by how so many times Nole turned the table when he was very near of losing. I think out of the current 4 tennis gods he has the strongest mentality. Though I'm not fond of his "barbarian" style but I admit he is a great man. Two thumbs up for him.
     
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  2. Zarfot Z

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    Agree with OP. I'm a Federer fan and it is painful watching highlight reels of his US Open matches against Djokovic...
     
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    Beyond godlike mentality.

    It's admirable really.
     
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    I've said it many times the biggest in the clutch ever so far his amazing comebacks are:

    Vs fed 2010 us open semi
    Vs fed 2011 us open semi
    Vs murray 2012 Australian open semi
    Vs tsonga 2012 French open quarter final
    Vs Murray 2012 shanghai final
     
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  5. Seventeen

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    I totally agree...
     
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    How many match points has he saved for each? 5 MPs saved are incredible.
     
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    He's had to develop that mentality in an era of two of the game's best players in order to achieve what he has, so kudos to him for doing so. It's been an up and down year for him, but his success of late as opposed to last season's drop-off is very impressive.
     
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    Is there a record for total match points saved in a match?
    I believe it's rare, but how rare is it? Can anyone share some insight?
     
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    Yeah but these are not just "ordinary" match points. These saved match points are from semi finals, and finals of grand slams, and masters series tournamenrts.


    Really amazing.
     
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    you missed the most obvious one, vs Nadal 2012 AO final
     
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    I was about to say that. Came from behind to win that fifth set after the marathon match versus Andy and 5 hours on court versus Rafa. Perhaps the most impressive of them all.

    I'm a Federer fan foremost but Djokovic's nerves on crucial points are really something to watch.
     
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    I would add 2011 Rome semi-final v Murray to your list.
     
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    The thread is deserved for Nole. But please do not compare Murray with the other three yet.

    He is a tennis god ? Compared to DY, Bogmolov ?

    When he reaches 5+ majors , let us talk compare him with the other 3. For now, he is no better than Kafelnikov.
     
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    Well, if you don't want to include him with the other 3...fine. In that case, he stands very much alone in his own spot because he cannot be compared with any other player ranked below him. He is head and shoulders above every player from #5 down.
     
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  16. Steve0904

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    First of all, huge props for Novak for saving MP's again today from a Federer fan. Really incredible! Now to your point. (Don't shoot the messanger please, and Muzza brigade please save it ok.) The most MP's I can ever remember being saved recently, say in the last 5 years or so is 7 by Federer in a RR match at the TMC/WTF in 2008 against Murray, although he lost that match, and he doesn't really have a reputation like Novak does for saving MP's. Now Borg probably saved a fair few in the 1980 Wimbledon final. I also remember Nadal saving a fair few against Almagro in a match in Paris in, I believe, 2009.
     
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  17. dudeski

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    Exactly. Unlike let's say saving match points against Clownmagro in earlier rounds.
     
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    No doubts about that. Remember Delpo is not far behind. It is unfortunate that he is injury prone, else he probably would have had a better career by this time.
     
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    for most of this year it's been gone. Finally came back to him in Shanghai. But you know sometimes I thinksaving match points and escaping from near defeat is a bit down to luck, and it doesn't last forever. This year a lot of times the shots didn't come off, like double faulting vs Nadal at RG
     
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  20. NadalAgassi

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    He is impressive but he is still no Serena. :)
     
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  21. djokovic2008

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    Your right but no match points saved but it's deserves to on the list as the Murray semi listed had no match points saved either.
     
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    Delpo is not in the same league. His only big title is the 2009 USO. Murray has also been in 4 other Slam finals and won 8 Masters titles and been in another 3 finals not to mention winning the Olympic gold medal.

    Even in 2009, at the height of Del Potro's career, Murray still had the better of him in 3 out of their 4 encounters that year.
     
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    Have to agree Murray is the real deal and is giving me nightmares these days he has so many options in his game delpo not on the same planet at the moment.
     
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    Delpo was just discovering his potential that year and we will never know if without injury he would have gotten better. Murray is about a year and a year and a half older and the matches Murray won in 2009 were all close. plus i get the feeling Murray is a fairly bad matchup. but of course Murray is leagues ahead now.
     
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    Yeah,especially when your opponent chokes away match points to hand you the match. Luckiest player ever this *******.
     
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    Kafelnikov has 2 Grand Slam Titles! :evil:
     
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    Agreed he is more tougher than any of them!! Really a solid rock! those two USO's still hurt.....:(
     
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    All Murray needs is one more and then he can be compared to Kafelnikov
     
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    I agree that those two USO's hurt, but lets be honest, would you rather he lost to Djokovic or Nadal? He wasn't beating Nadal at either USO IMO, and if Nadal had won those matches he'd have 3 USO titles by now, and we would've never heard the end of it.
     
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    Novak came back when he was two points away from losing. Anyone else would have probably given up if they couldn't come up with a comeback by that time. Insane mental strength, it all stemmed from early 2011, where he started believing that he could beat the top players. Then he started believing that he could comeback against the top players. Simply amazing
     
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    Actually, he was just one point away from losing on 5 different occasions! :wink:
     
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    Haha true but the match turned at 30-0, which is rarely seen. 20 seconds ago it was looking like a routine service hold for Murray
     
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    Don't forget when he was a break down in the 5th set of the AO final against Nadal. I still can't believe how Novak managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
     
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    Crazy good mental will power.

    In terms of all time greatness, he's surpassing some great players already. Djokovic>Hoad, Courier, and the likes. He's gonna keep moving on up and will be an upper tier legend one of these days.
     
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    I never thought it would be that many. Damn...

    I never said "of all time", just currently. Murray has been on year end top 4 since 2008 (occasionally visiting no. 5) and no lower rank than him has been a threat to his position ever since. I think he deserves high praise for his achievement.
     
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    Hate to say it but Murrays Mental game still needs work. First against Raonic and now Djokovic. That's 8 match points if you combine the 2 matches. But kudos to Nole, he showed glimpses of Djokovic 2.0 in the 2011 season
     
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    I see Murray has slightly improved in that section, perhaps by Lendl's help (he's didn't cry, did he?). Long way to catch Djokovic though.
     
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    True, he is indeed a better tennis player and not a woman.
     
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    Agreed. Alas, Murray was not clutch enough on serve after getting to 30-0. He just needed to pull out a couple of big ones like he did when serving out for the USO. He just couldn't pull one off when he most needed it. Same with all the match points he held in the tie-break. He had to rely on weakish 2nd serves which Djokovic immediately pounced on. And that's how the fate of a tennis match can turn!

    Djokovic stared down the barrel of a gun 5 times and each time dodged the bullet. That's a tribute to his staying power and never-say-die attitude. He won the battle of wills and, unlike at the USO, the stamina battle.
     
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    Djokovic's comebacks are far more impressive than any Serena has done and against much more mentally stable competition as well. I think he's definitely mentally tougher than her.
     
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    The kid's tough. Can definitely see him winning at least 1 Slam title in his career.
     
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    joker is the next generation warrior love his game and spirit
     
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    QFT. To overcome 13 match points and end up winning the match is crazy for just a player just at 25. Serena had great comeback but rather than facing match points, she faces Azarenka serving out for the match. That's much less pressure than facing multiple match points.
     
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  44. Seppi saved 7 in a row in rome against wawrinka i think...He was 6-0 down in tiebreak final set or something like that:shock:
     
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    Credit to Murray's WEAK mentality as well
     
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    Yes. mens game 4 top players. women's game 1 top player. serena has no rival. he come backs are the equivalent of djokovic coming back against someone like alnagro.
     
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    in terms of being mentally strong, i think muster 1995 deserves a mention: in 6 of the 12 tournaments he won that year, he saved one or more match points !
    i guess it's a record...
    • 1 MP in QF (against J.Sanchez) in Estoril
    • 1 MP in 1R (against Burillo) in Barcelona
    • 2 MP's in F (against Becker) in Monte Carlo
    • 3 MP's in 1R (against Dewulf) in St. Polten
    • 4 MP's in SF (against Bruguera) in Stuttgart
    • 3 MP's in F (against C.Costa) in Umag
    from: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=1838587#post1838587
     
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  48. Carsomyr

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    Wow. That is extremely impressive, especially considering the likelihood that those MPs weren't quick points given the surface.
     
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    Nicolas Lapentti was also pretty mentally strong and such a huge fighter.

    He won the following 16 matches that he faced match points in:

    Coral Springs 1996 R32 vs Wade McGuire - saved 5 match points
    Australian Open 1999 R128 vs Thomas Johansson - saved 2 match points
    Rome 1999 R16 vs Nicolas Kiefer - saved 2 match points
    Lyon 1999 R32 vs Jan Siemerink - saved 1 match point
    Lyon 1999 SF vs Magnus Gustafsson - saved 1 match point (he went on to win that Lyon 1999 tournament, having saved match points in 2 different matches)
    Stuttgart Indoor 2001 R32 vs Arnaud Clement - saved 5 match points
    Paris-Bercy 2001 R64 vs Anthony Dupuis - saved 1 match point
    Vina Del Mar 2002 QF vs Flavio Saretta - saved 2 match points
    St Polten 2002 R16 vs Irakli Labadze - saved 4 match points (he went on to win that tournament)
    Wimbeldon 2002 R128 vs Jamie Delgado - saved 4 match points
    Bastad 2003 QF vs Rafael Nadal - saved 5 match points
    Davis Cup 2003 vs Victor Hanescu - saved 3 match points
    Costa Do Sauipe 2008 QF vs Eduardo Schwank - saved 3 match points
    Davis Cup 2008 vs Ramon Delgado - saved 1 match point
    Davis Cup 2009 vs Frank Dancevic - saved 2 match points
    Monte-Carlo 2009 R32 vs Marat Safin - saved 3 match points
     
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  50. Gizo

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    Felix Mantilla's list is also hugely impressive:

    Monte-Carlo 1996 R16 vs Javier Sanchez - saved 1 match point
    San Marino 1997 R32 vs Richard Fromberg - saved 3 match points
    Dubai 1998 SF vs Wayne Ferreira - saved 2 match points
    Hamburg 1998 R16 vs Alberto Berasategui - saved 9 match points
    Santiago 1998 QF vs Jim Courier - saved 1 match point
    Monte-Carlo 1999 QF vs Albert Costa - saved 4 match points
    Palermo 2001 SF vs Albert Portas - saved 9 match points (he went on to win that tournament)
    Rome 2004 R64 vs Robby Ginepri - saved 4 match points

    Winning 2 different matches that he faced 9 match points in was incredible.

    Adriano Panatta saved 11 match points in his 1st round match against Kim Wawrick at the Italian Open in 1976. He went on to that tournament and capture his big home city title, beating Vilas in the final.

    Alberto Martin saved 10 match points before beating Adrian Voinea in their 1st round match at Bucharest in 1999. Rainer Schuttler also did that in his 1st round match against Andreas Seppi at Kitzbuhel in 2004.
     
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