Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by sepidoel, Oct 14, 2012.
Panatta saved also 1 match point at FO 1976, against Hutka (first round), and won the tournament.
@Gizo : wow, how do you find those stats?
This is impressive. But the difference is Novak saved match points in three grand slam semi finals, one grand slam quarter final, also masters final.
And he played against the toughest players, like Federer, Murray, Tsonga...
Novak really is king of clutch
Oh really? You think he'll win at least one? That is so gracious of you. You are only talking about this year No1 player of the world, and 99% year end No1 tennis player, 5 time grand slam winner... and he is only 25. Has at least 3 years at top level, and 6 or 7 good years.
And you think he'll win at least one more grand slam?
Jesus Christ... it's like you're talking about Del Potro or a 100 year old Federer
A one slam wonder is not a negative moniker to have. I, for example, have no Grand Slam titles to my name.
I was pretty much convinced of this at the aussie open. And all those masters wins last year against nadal where he came back from a set down. He does it where he takes a lot of risks even on championship or breakpoint.
Serena's huge comebacks in slams that she WON alone:
1999 U.S Open 3rd round- down 5-3 in 3rd set, opponent served for match
2002 French Open semis- down 6-3, 6-5
2003 Australian Open 1st round- down match points to Loit in 2nd set
2003 Australian Open semis- down 5-1 and match points in 3rd set
2005 Australian Open semis- down 6-2, 5-3, opponent serving for match, then down match points in 3rd set against opponents serve.
2005 Australian Open final- down 6-1, 2-0, won almost all remaining games
2007 Australian Open 3rd round- down 6-1, 5-4 opponent serving for match
2007 Australian Open quarters- opponent served for match
2008 U.S Open quarters- Venus had many set points in both sets, lost both
2009 Australian Open quarters- opponent killing her, served for straight sets win, lost in 3
2009 Wimbledon semis- down match points in 3rd set
2010 Australian Open quarters- down a set and 4-0
2012 U.S Open final- opponent served for match
That is not even getting into all the ones in slams she didnt win in the end, other tournaments, etc..
What exactly did Novak win today?
won 7 of 9 masters
reached final of all masters
won the China double
went ahead of Sampras with 13 ( not sure about this)
This one was great too...
Sampras had 11 so Djoko was already ahead of Sampras after Canada.
About Djoko's strong mentality: he is extremely tenacious and is one of the best returners ever, but mostly he never gives up. The combination is what makes him so difficult to beat. He wears you down mentally. A good example is Nadal in 5th set of AO and Fed in 5th set of USO, they were both a break up but somehow Djoko found a way to break back (remember last year how Fed couldn't believe Djoko hit that return). One is never "safe" with Djoko on the return. You saw great examples of that at the USO vs Delpo with those interminable games that broke Delpo's morale in the end. In the USO final, Djoko was beat physically, he pushed the match to a 5th through sheer mental grittiness and determination. What's also exceptional is Djoko's ability to rebound after a bad loss. It seems to be very hard, if not impossible, to knock his morale down. And of course that's the mark of true champs.
Props to Nole , he has established himself as the King of comeback in the current era. It is not just about saving MPs , but also the kind of big matches in which he has done it. To think that he was someone who would retire complaining of sore throat or heatstroke just a few years ago, he has come a long way as a player and a champion !
Yep,thanks to Dr. Igor.
Read on tennis.com in a Tignor article that Djoker has won 10 times after being down match point. Are there any stats available on number of times won in career after being MP down?
Nope. not is known about players from the 70s/80s/even 90s as far as arcane stats like this go.
I would bet Borg blows away everyone in this stat(like he does is most 'mental toughness' categories, 5 setters, etc)
And I'm sure he's forgotten many of the matches he won from down match point, so no way to ever know how many times he did this.
Tennis is a very young sport as far as stats/records. And its really not getting all that better.
One of the 3 tennis magazine experts (OK so Bodo should be filtered out) thinks Djokovic was the best among him, Fed and Nadal, when at his best.
Another guy said Nadal.
And of course Bodo said Fed, but then he needs to be discounted.
I definitely don't think it was Nadal. It's between Fed and Novak IMO. I think Djokovic had much better returns obviously, and he really had no weaknesses off the ground since you could no longer attack his FH looking for errors. However with Fed I think you could still get a few off his BH. Fed had/has a better serve, a better slice, and better volleying though. Courts were also a bit faster in Federer's dominating period. Not like 90's fast, but a bit faster than today. Hence why almost all the guys from Fed's early days took the ball on the rise, i.e older Agassi, Safin, Nalbandian, and Roddick. Hewitt was probably the only one who could be termed a counterpuncher.
It's been just 2 days and someone (WorldTennis24) has already upload the highlights of ShangHai epic match in HD:
Enjoy the crowd.
Do you remember the semifinal of Madrid 2009 when Novak saved match point after hiting drop shot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlxEKoBc9H0&feature=player_detailpage#t=317s
You forgot the 2011 Rome semi vs Murray when Murray was serving for the match 30-15 up and Djokovic got the luckiest net chord.
Or was it really luck?
It really depends on which surface. How could one NOT pick Rafa on clay??? I would pick prime Fed on faster/indoor hard and Djoko on slower/medium paced hard. Fed on grass of course.
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