appropriate add for babolat in light of sandy hook

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  1. Pro_Tour_630

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    New promo photo ad from Babolat for their new logo, what do you think? is it appropriate to have an ad like this in our tennis circle for our kids? especially when the blood of sandy hook is still warm:cry: what if Wilson came up with the ad? what would be the response?

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    I don't really see the connection to Sandy Hook.
     
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    I think inappropriate is a stretch... I just don't think it's particularly good marketing. Pretty lame IMO.
     
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    we are trying to promote less violence to our kids and here we have a company that appeals to Jr's parading their top stars pretending to use highly illegal flame throwers, bombs, dynamite sticks, rockets etc.... as being cool
     
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    Speed limit is 75 mph nation wide , we promote cars ad's on TV from all company's that exceed speeds of 100, 150 , 180 mph right off the show room floor and there were some 10,000 speed related deaths in 2010 alone and a 16 yr old can purchase one of these weapons of mass destruction .

    Yet the intelligent person realizes that its not the car that kill but the lawbreaker that usually is at fault .

    The ad is alright with me cause I am a law abiding citizen and I understand the context .

    BTW the kid at SandyHook was addicted to 'Call of Duty " but trust me that had nothing to do with his mindset .
     
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    Its not a good idea to associate a sport like tennis with militarized images of violence, unless it's done in some sort of mockingly ironic way which could be the case here.
     
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    Its too simple to split apart the driver from the vehicle in this kind of manner.

    So the intelligent person realizes that this is in fact the case.

    Does a tennis player hit a ball out or is it his racquet?, or as with a driver is it is a question of the functional unit created by the hands holding a tool?



     
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    I agree that as a society, we promote too much violence. I don't let my kids play violent video games, see movies or watch TV programs that are violent or above their maturity level. I don't own a firearm. But I just don't find this ad threatening. I showed it to my 10 year old and asked him what he thought the message of the ad was and he said "that Babolat rackets have power". So, I take back my earlier comment, maybe it is good marketing.
     
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    There are some 90,000 plus death due to medical malpractice each year therefore we should outlaw DRs. and not promote going to hospitals !!!

    just change a few words in my statement to weapons and you agree big time right ???

    How stupid have we become here in the USA ???
     
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    You have shown great intelligence and have my respect ! really you do not that I am anything but bravo to you .
     
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    That doesn't work as an argument in rebuttal at any level.

    You're merely restating your idea that the person is responsble.



     
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    What is the significance of the red pressure tanks (fire extinguishers?) connected to Nadal's abdomen in the photo?
     
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    It's supposed to be a welding device/blow torch, I think.
     
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    Oh, it's supposed to be connected to the hoop of the frame, not Nadal's abdomen?
     
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    It's just a dumb ad.
     
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    One dumb ad here and there does not matter, but the world is full of them.
     
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    It is an idiotic ad to run in the U.S. We have a national tragedy in this country with the amount of gun deaths, that it is 10 times or more the rate of any other industrialized country.
     
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    we are talking about guns, violent weapons in tennis

    many 10 year olds do not understand a thing ( maybe not yours) , especially a kid wanting a babolat because nadal has one now he wants a flame thrower as well.

    it is a combination of all, it is black ops, mental illness, divorced parents, guns, bullying, drugs etc.... and the 1% factor that we do not know yet. It was the perfect storm. only we do not need to add to the perfect storm if we don't have to, especially in our so called perfect sport, thats all.
     
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    i showed it to my 10 year old and he said, they have a flame thrower in black oops, as well as dynamite and bombs and rockets. My son said he wants a rocket launcher when he grows up!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,, great now not only he wants a babolat like nadal he wants a rocket launcher and a flame thrower, see the point, I cracked all the black ops and gears of war games in half, now I have to worry about STUPID babolat ads that have no place in tennis.
     
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    It is an idiotic ad, being a french company they probably did not know any better, but if that was Wilson a US company, trust me heads will role. The marketing team will be fired.
     
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    My 10 year old doesn't know whats in Black Ops or any war game... we don't own a video game system of any kind. Believe me, I'm on your side on the issue as a whole - but I think it's such a large issue that battles have to be picked (no pun intended) and this example is just very tame. There is not one gun in the ad, there are no dark or military colors, there is no aggressive headlines, etc. Now if the racquet was wielded like an AR15 and the headline said "mow down your competition", that's a different meaning and intention. I feel for you on your son's reaction, I'd be shocked if mine had said that and probably feel differently about the ad - different outlook I guess.
     
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    we have become insensitive, not stupid.

    there is not a person who is pro gun on this board than I am, but as coaching23, "we have a national tragedy" for me it is 30 minutes from my house where my son competed against a kid from sandy hook elementary school whos parents are more pro gun than I am. We have toned down our gun rights and trying to find a solution to this debate, some middle ground, at least show some respect to this sensitive issue. Rocket launchers, flame throwers, dynamite sticks, bombs have no place in tennis in any shape or form.
     
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    never owned a video game of any kind,,,,,,,you are in the minority,

    flame thrower, bombs and dynamite sticks and rocket launchers are more violent than an AR15 which is a dressed (dark military color) up semi automatic, the ad said "SHAKE UP" another not so friendly term but rather more violent. you are right different outlook.
     
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    I realize that. I'm not pro gun either, and am probably in the minority as well. I guess what I'm saying is that this, and the tennis world in general, is so much more tame than other sports and hobbies that it seems like a bit of an overreaction.
     
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    here is a direct quote from where I posted this directly to BABOLAT

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7100413&postcount=515

    one poster said the message is to promote BABOLAT as LETHAL WEAPON, do we really need to know that BABOLAT is a LETHAL WEAPON? LETHAL WEAPON is not a peaceful term:confused: our racquets are just tools in a sports game,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Dunno maybe they are lethal weapon which is why they do not allow them in cabins of planes right after 9/11
     
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    Edited my last post after your reply:

    I guess what I'm saying is that this, and the tennis world in general, is so much more tame than other sports and hobbies that it seems like a bit of an overreaction.
     
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    maybe I am overreacting but the issue is so close to home and raw that I could not help but notice it.
    thanks, i agree, our sport is tame compared to other sports. I want the best for our sport, to be the purest sport,,,,, a role model. But we do have our share of skeletons in our closets, we do have crazy parents that will do anything to win, tennis stars that are doping and racquets companies that will do anything to make money even if they harm us etc... IF Babolat pulls this ad it will get the marketing attention 10000 folds, if they do they owe me big time for the idea :idea:;-)
     
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    you may not know it now but in 20 years we will be looking at the babolat new logo ad and say what were they thinking,:confused:

    1960 the toy company matell ad

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    I understand. I do hope the country has a serious debate about the issue (although I don't think the Bab ad will ever be seen like the Matell ad).
     
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    maybe not now but you never know,

    I do not know what they took in the 60's? maybe LSD but even the Beatles John Lennon saw nothing wrong with their ad in 1966, too dumb and stupid to post the photo but you get the point,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesterday_and_Today
     
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    This ad was out long before Sandy Hook.
     
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    I'm not sure that one can simply dispense with the distinction between photography and advertising when we find images that disturb us and the butcher LP cover is photography.
     
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    OMG would you please just lighten up!!!!!! I find it interesting that all the toy gun ads and toys were from the late 50 to the 70s before they were stopped....I remember moving to the USA from Europe in the 60s and we ALL had the Agent ZeroM, Johnny Seven, James Bond, Man from Uncle...toys and guns.

    It's the generation raised in the 80s and 90s that didn't get to play with toy guns and watch "violent" TV cartoons like Space Ghost, Herculoids, Bugs Bunny, 3 Stooges...etc that seem to be the issue the last 20 yrs.
     
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    this ad is the NEW babolot logo ad for 2013, that just came out in december 2012, :roll:
     
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    it is the parents (who grew up in the 50/60) who are raising their children who are partially to blame. They also smoked and knew nothing about smoking ads. Huston "come to where the flavor is come to Marlboro country" LOL!!!!!!!
     
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    The same day all those people got blasred at Sandy Hook some "crazy" Chinese dude ran through a school and Stabbed 20 plus kids , Violence has been here since Cain and Able

    I am sick of people saying Look what that gun looks like or that gun can hold 15 bullets and should only be able to hold 8 ,MY question whats better 8 dead people or 15 ???? THE ANSWER 1 and there is where we are missing the point life is important and through our teachings over the years of SElf love,Self this, Self that, we have now a people that dont give a crapp about anyone but themSelves and the only life that matters is their own and what they want !!!!!

    We need every law Abiding citezen to carry a gun and when some idiot decides he wants to take a bunch of innocent lives we all can take care of our own,

    Do we need a professional to do this NOOOOO because these crazys are not Pros but they are getting the job done killing people .
     
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    ^^^^^^ were you a law biding citizen when you were Hmmm 15-25:confused: didn't you take a bat to school and got expelled:confused: weren't you a gang banger crips once? gang bangers were and are mowing each other in the streets of LA, even with machine guns we can not take them out, ( north hollywood gun fight 1997)

    BTW I agree with law biding citizens owning/carrying guns,,,,,,,,, just that there are gray areas,

    Veterans in schools?!?!?! some veterans have PTS and can go loco ala fort hood doctor who treated them
     
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    I'm just glad Head is making tennis look cool to kids. God knows we need an image overhaul or were gonna be stuck with mediocre athletes at best. I also know the tragedy hit really close to home for you so I do understand your feelings. It hit close to all of us.
     
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    GA, you know my feels about guns, check my posts here on TT all pro gun to the teeth, but this last go around was close home, all the sandy hook and surrounding pro gunners were silenced.

    I am all for tennis to be cool, weapons are cool there is no doubt. I was even thinking tennis should adapt some MMA cage fighting ideas, look what it did to boxing.
     
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    You can roll your eyes, but the ad was out and discussed well before Sandy Hook.
     
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    the ad came out right around this other stupid ad of theirs

    I am about to wack you with dem nunchucks :),,,,,,,,, er your favorite frame of 2013, now go out a buy it, notice the new logo for 2013 :oops:

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    Agree, love an ad that makes tennis cool and exciting for kids and don't see the connection. Thanks for the links to those ads, hadn't seen them. Federer can actually act.
     
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    we outlawed drugs how are we doing, Meth,Cocaine,acid ,pcp, now we need to outlaw Bathsalts otherwise you have people eating peoples face on their heads on Miami off ramps ? Booze is still legal how we doing with that ? Booze ruins millions of lives a year not to mention the car wrecks it provides ,,Cars are legal and kill just as many people and more then guns a year 10,000 in 2010 alone speed related ?

    We need to change laws and prisons BREAD and Water, No TV's,NO weightlifting no computers , and when a kid is showing signs hes a mentalcase put him in a room and leave him there with bread and water .

    this ad is fine remember the only ones that are gonna see it for the most part are spoiled kids who show no respect for their oponents the refs and a lot of time their own parents so what do we have to worry about ,Think about this question its loaded ?
     
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    Are you implying that these ads are violent? Really? This is NOTHING compared to the crap that's on TV screens in prime time everyday. Now, I'm not excusing that crap, I'm just saying in no way is tennis linked with violence. The last ad with Roger is just funny - obviously tongue in cheek.

    Look, CT shook us ALL, but lets be real about the debate. You gotta start with the worst cultural offenders, and that's certainly not tennis.
     
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    it's really admirable that you are willing to look at your longheld beliefs
     
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    There are already over seven million people in the American penal system.



     
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    you are over reacting. plain and simple.
     
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    There is always something worse, but there must be something cleverer to do than associate tennis racquets with weapons and still appeal to young adults?



     
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