appropriate add for babolat in light of sandy hook

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  1. Misterbill

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    So this is now the basis of comparison for our country?

    Your post has pushed me farther along the spectrum to the the gun control side of the debate
     
  2. Pro_Tour_630

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    oh so now you can be politically correct, when someone F up you fire them, period.

    when your first grader becomes a 5 or 6th grader and tells you they want a flame thrower when they grow up because they saw the ad, then we will talk.
     
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    lousy ad trying to promote the game by resorting to weapons that destroy. if tennis continues to promote the bad-boy, rebel image, why does it surprise anyone that 12yr olds are cussing, throwing racquets, yelling and hooking?
     
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    This is a good example of how violent culture can change perspective. Your 10 year old plays Call of Duty and Gears of war and you are a self-proclaimed gun advocate "to the teeth". He sees the ad and surmises that flame throwers are cool and wants the flame thrower. My 10 year old, who has never played a violent video game and is educated that guns, war, violence, etc are not entertainment sees the ad and surmises that Babolat's are powerful and wants the racquet. Telling, I'd say.
     
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    son has never seen my guns kept them away from him, and does not know my opinion on guns nor any other opinion for that matter, he is 10, he plays tennis and legos mostly, sometimes plays black ops at my brothers house, like 99% of the kids except yours. Sees stupid tennis ad and wants one because he has seen it on blackops and now Nadal has one. I tried to shield my guns away, I thought tennis ads should not be violent but safe, in this case I was wrong.
     
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    What happened in Newtown is a day of infamy, and will never be forgotten for anyone who was witness to the news that day.

    My son did play video games occasionally when he was younger,
    but they were sport videos only - football, tennis, baseball.

    But, a ten year old playing Black Ops is the minority.
    ( I have actually never heard of a ten year old playing this game, of course that is my small piece of the world).
    The only boys I know who play that are older teenagers.

    This game is rated M, which means it is appropriate for folks 17 years and older.
    Usually that means "intense violence" or inappropriate sexual content.
    I would be very surprised if a store would sell a M rating game to a young teenager too.
     
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  7. Pro_Tour_630

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    do you know everything your kid does when he goes over to another house? are you in full control what you kids can do in another house? there are 15 boys in my sons class, 14 of them play blackops, because their older brothers or a neighbor or relative have them, it is an epidemic, like texting . BTW is your son the only child? or does he have older brothers? usually parents with one kid are more protective, at least the one we know around our area are almost all like this.

    I was traveling with my son to a tennis academy when we heard the news in the airport. I could not hold back my tears and he knew something bad has happened. I tried to explain to the best I could and be positive. He told me " when we go back to CT and go to school am i going to die?" It was hard because he competes with a kid who went to sandy hook.
     
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    Are you for real? Are you the same guy that kept telling us we have to clean our own houses first ??

    I think you need to look at your own house before you ask everyone in the neighborhood to clean theirs.

    It is NOT ok for a 10 year old to play Rated M games. Not ok. It is not like texting...unless you mean texting and driving. I have caught bits and pieces of the violence and the language and it shocks <me>.
     
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    Think they are trying to make money off our bad parenting skills !
     
  10. Pro_Tour_630

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    oh you do not know about what kids are texting to each other these days, no wonder, :oops:

    my house is clean, not sure about others or even school

    what part of kid plays M games in brothers/relative house, or his friends house that have older brothers don't you get.

    do you have boys in the house who are 10-15?

    if only females, then this thread is not for you, for obvious reasons, sorry
     
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    No older brother, but an older sister.

    Totally not related to tennis, but the real issue coming up for the young kids as they become teenagers,
    is not what video games someone has at their house,
    but whether their parents are permissive and are ok with kids drinking or smoking pot at their house.

    Some parents think, well, it is going to happen, so I would rather it happen inside my house ( drinking or smoking)
    than outside in the park or the street.

    Yes, I do know all the parents of the kids my son is friends with in school and in tennis.
    And if it is a new friend, I make a point to personally meet one of the parents and make sure we are on the same page.

    Texting for boys is not an issue.....
    What the girls send out, picture wise is another issue.

    Am I controlling and over protective? Yes.
     
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    I'm with Tennis5 on this one. My kids are 10 and 8. I know where my kids are and what they are doing and with whom ALL of the time. And I will as long as I can.

    I'm that parent. I ask the questions - any videos games, if so, which ones? Is there a gun in the house? Yes, I have asked and gotten a yes - my kid doesn't go there. Period. I always have new kids over to our house first and talk with their parents. My kids don't need a lot of friends, they need good, quality friends.

    As for your personal stats on violent videos games, no way I believe it. No way 99% of 10 year olds play war games. No way 14 or 15 boys in a class do. Sorry. I think your emotions are making you exaggerate.

    Texting? why does a 10 year old need to text? Why? For communicating with parents, they have direct dial phones - no internet, no texting.

    I may sound lame, but a 10 year old does not need the power of the internet, video, and texting in the palm of their hand to be cool. They do not need to watch R rated movies or play M rated games to be entertained. They are not adults. They are not mature. It's not good for them. Period. I don't know why many parents think it's OK. It's not.
     
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    I also have never heard of a boy that age playing such a video game.

    And I do think that the fact the shooter in CT was addicted to violent video games may have had some effect on his behavior. It is possible given that he was mentally ill that the repeated acts of violence on the video games he played over and over had some effect on his propensity towards violence.
     
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    I agree. I don't even know why a 10 year old would need a cell phone.
     
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    There is no magic formula to solve this issue, it's many things that make up a culture. You can't just take away videos games and expect it to go away. You can't just outlaw automatic weapons and expect it to go away. You have to approach it in it's entirety. As a society we have to start asking ourselves, should violence pervade our screens? Should people have the "right" to military grade weaponry? Should it be easier to get a dental check-up than mental health care? And on and on...

    I'm digging on ProTour a bit, I know, but I get where he's coming from. It's emotional. It's tragic. We're looking for answers. But we can't just react to one thing and place blame. We need to step back and look at the issue as a whole.
     
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    I definitely do not think it is one thing or an easy answer, but I do think the video games may have some effect on people who repeatedly play them, especially mentally ill people.
     
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    Absolutely. Violent movies and video games have become a norm in American society, a norm that is leading the charge of all developed nations for such an appetite.. Its prevalence is driven by parents with an "I don't know" or "I don't care" attitude. This has created a culture steeped in a fascination of this violent media form, and is pushed to the brink by our allowance of exposing younger and younger generations to come "this close" to the action packed, almost real simulations. The more real, the better, right? Meanwhile, this media form has overflowed into unintended targets: the youngest ones, the weak willed, the weak minded, the bullied, the hurt, the crazy...one of them is bound to crack in the wrong way, and we're allowing these ideas persistently into their head.

    I do not have any young boys in the house, but I grew up with two brothers and I have seen grown men play these games many times. I have a brain. They are not for children, they may not even be for adults. To allow these ideas and images to lurk in the bottom of undeveloped minds, in children and young adults who often do not have the right tools for outlets of emotions etc..it's just dangerous. Something is wrong with the whole structure. IMHO ...
     
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    I've got two older boys in their 20's. I've been through all of it. One son did a report in 7th grade on some military weapons. A very well researched and very factual report. The loony teachers called in the principal and made it a major issue. I really worry about a country where we expect the boys to act like girls and not like things like flamethrowers, guns, jet packs, lasers, racing cars, fighter jets, and other such things.

    It will probably get deleted, but I think I'll make a poll on how many people think it would be neat to have a flamethrower. I certainly could have used it to clear our some brush when I lived in Texas.

    Here is the poll:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=450241
     
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    What do we have here are families with no older brothers, but sisters or 8-10 year olds boys or girls with helicopter parents. The only parent who has older brothers did a report on weapons by age 12 and the teacher freaked then posted a poll on how neat it is to own a flamethower on a tennis message board,,,,,great:roll:. People, boys and girls by 6th grade age 11 or older almost all have internet phones. They download war games from itunes for free. The ones with older brothers almost all have been exposed to black ops or similar military style games. I am trying to channel my kids towards tennis so i will get less of this only to find Babolat ads embracing it, thats all, why is that so hard to understand?

    Can't wait for TCF to come in here and turn this whole debate upside down.
     
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  23. Soianka

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    Wow, I am watching that and Alex Jones sounds like a real nut.
     
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    No, sorry. You're just generalizing too much. I'm the youngest of 5 boys. I get that in a big way. My kids have tons of older cousins, uncles, friends, etc around. We just don't have a violent culture in our family and yes, I'm protective of it outside the family. MANY families just don't allow it at ANY age. I know plenty of them. I'm not a helicopter parent. My kids have plenty of freedoms. But any parent with young kids should know what they're kids are exposed to.
     
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    read the two underline sentences above, sorry
     
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    Protour...I am not a gun nut or an anti gun nut. Grew up in a family where there was one hand gun for self defense and a hunting rifle or 2 that was used for pheasant or deer hunting. All the kids were taught to respect how lethal they could be, the guns secured from the kids too little to get it.

    To me it was just a common sense approach. The hand gun had its purpose, the hunting rifle also was a tool with a purpose.

    But I can not relate to 100 bullet drums, assault rifles in the house, being able to go to a gun show and bypass some of the checks, etc. That does not seem like the same common sense approach to guns and their place in one's life that I was taught growing up.

    As far as folks that say every law abiding person should carry a gun to make us safer, I do not buy that. Where would you have it at the beach? At the pool? While coaching a kid and showing them a sport? When the gun man all wear body armor, then what? When the gun men have the element of surprise like they always do and an assault rifle, then what? When trained law enforcement people many times do not take the shot because of all the chaos and bystanders, how are we going to expect average people to start firing at guys with assault rifles in a crowd?

    Going to use those assault rifles to save you from the big bad government? Iraq had tanks, an army, an air force....they were rendered ineffective in a short time. If the government really wanted to get you, they would, and 100 assault rifles won't help. I do not see the point in living a life that paranoid anyway.

    To me the issue is not the guns but the place of guns. A hand gun in the house and some hunting rifles....I get it, a common sense and moderate place for guns in ones life. But beyond that, I do not get it.
     
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    I agree with some and disagree with some, read above,

    some handguns are semi automatic, do you agree with those? some have 15 rounds? wanna drop them to 10? so when they want to ban semi automatic weapons, that includes semi automatic handguns? or are you talking about 5-6 shot revolvers, see the devil is in the detail, you give an inch they take a mile. The hunting rifles you speak of some are semi automatic shotgun, that have 5-6 shells, wanna ban those? or only the ones that look black or military color. Black or military color accessories do not kill more people:confused:

    what about folks who compete in shooting, they go to the olympics, it is a sport, how can they carry their guns to and from the place where they practice?

    what about collectors for investment purposes? they have hundreds
     
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    I will give you an example

    do you know the difference between these two guns, and which on should we ban A or B?

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    You know a lot more about the issue than I do ProTour. My goal is to retire to a country someday where violence is less common. I hear New Zealand is beautiful!
     
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    They are the same gun, a .22 caliber rifle, everyone would assume B because it looks more scary and military looking, an assault rifle, when in fact they are the same gun, B is dressed up in some cheap plastic, thats all. The Sandy Hill shooter used gun A to shoot his mother 4 times in the head. He used the very small caliber because it had less noise, he was smart and not insane.
     
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    "Many" is not a generalization. "Most" and "99%", as you've said, are generalizations.
     
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    Gun control is very easy. You classify the weapon and license the access.

    Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.

    Category B: Centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. Apart from a "Genuine Reason", a "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.

    Category C: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.

    Category D: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.

    Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. This class is available to target shooters. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.

    Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is approved for 9mm/.38/.357 handguns that meet the IPSC rules, but larger calibers are not approved for IPSC handgun shooting contests. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.

    Category R/E: Restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.




     
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    My thoughts, exactly.
     
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    Thank goodness that a bomb wasn't used at this school. Can you imagine how much worse the carnage would have been?
     
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    We should ban the second because it looks scarier. :|
     
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    many is a large # of people, that is alot, let me put it this way what percentage, %75? do not allow video games at ANY AGE :confused: if you say so you are generalizing, if %50 then you should have said some :)
     
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    that is the point we are banning guns just because they look scary
     
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    sicko could have went to gas station and filled his whole car with gas containers and drove into school,
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

    although I agree with some restrictions but not gonna happen, the US is not australia, what I am trying to say it is not that easy

    this is what happened in australia afterwords

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeCMqFYpd0k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfVk2hdvhlE
     
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    Yes, this.

    There's no way armed citizens would ever be able to overcome the type of weapons technology that government run military have at their disposal.

    It's such a bizarre argument.
     
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    Except a bomb wasn't used because it is MUCH more difficult to get/make use a bomb than a gun. Isn't that what this entire argument about: that it is easy for the insane to get guns that allow them to kill dozens of people in a very short time?
     
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    going on 8 pages, over 150 posts and over 3000 views, we ( cult of tennis numbnuts ) and the whole nation are debating gun control due to sandy hook, yet posters can not see the connection between the ad and sandy hook :confused:
     
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    I just do not buy that ProTour. You seem to look at everything except the assault rifles and high volume clips.

    Japan's youth has a love affair with violent video games and gory movies. Violent ads are used to advertise these things. They are way worse than the US kids in regards to that. Yet no mass shootings.

    Its not ads or movies or any of that. Its easy access to assault rifles and high volume clips.

    I keep hearing "the bad guys will get them illegally". Well, fine, let them try....so far all the mass shootings are people using legally obtained guns from their families. None of these guns were stolen from the military, or bought by traveling to another country, or anything like that. Our lax system gave them these weapons with little effort on their part.
     
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    Exactly. You know why there have been no big bombings in years? You try to purchase the fertilizer or other materials and all the bells and whistles go off. The suppliers are connected to law enforcement. Internet traffic is monitored, etc.

    That same system should have been in place for all assault weapons, no exceptions like in the 1994 law. Anyone trying to purchase one would set off bells and whistles. Not fool proof, but certainly better than the way we did things.
     
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    japan had osaka school massacre, 8 kids in school were stabbed to death, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

    assault rifle and high volume magazines is vague. Like I said we had a BAN on assault rifles and hi cap mages from 1994-2004 , (max 10 rounds ) yet we still had columbine 1999, the Vtech shooter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre killed 36 students had only a pistol, with ten 15 round magazines, do you think if he had fifteen 10 round magazines there would be no shooting or he could have shot less? that is the question.
     
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    again a vague term, " assault weapon" , a semi automatic pistol from colt from 1911 which hold 8 rounds could be an assault weapon, look at the photo of two guns i posted and it is clearly very easy to buy accessories and add them on to any gun to make it assault looking, very funny term IMO
     
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    Then I will take that.....give me the guy with the knive. I will take my chances with him over the guy with the Bush Master shooting all those bullets.
     
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    I get that.....but again, I will take my chances. Throw up some barricades, make them jump through some hoops to change weapons and all that stuff.

    I will take my chances with the modified hunting rifle that can shoot 8 or whatever.
     
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    what part of this post did you not understand

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7105595&postcount=139
     
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