April 1st Rankings (SPOILER ALERT)

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  1. TopDawg

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    As of Friday night this is what the rankings will look like come next Tuesday. I'll update this again on Sunday night and that'll include the Saturday and Sunday results.

    1. Ohio State 80.53
    2. USC 77.78
    3. Oklahoma 73.49
    4. UCLA 73.42 - will move to 3 with win over Oregon
    5. Virginia 72.38 - will move to 4 with win over Florida State.
    6. Texas 65.11
    7. Baylor 64.47
    8. Georgia 58.81
    9. Texas A&M 57.72 - would pass Georgia with a win over Tennessee
    10. Illinois 56.38 - would pass Georgia and Texas A&M with win over Ohio State
    11. Notre Dame 55.51
    12. North Carolina 51.08
    13. Kentucky 51.06
    14. Duke 49.76
    15. Florida 41.22
     
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  2. SoCal10s

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    man you're too good... kudos to you..
     
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  3. Tennis player 43

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    Top Dawg - You are the man! I don't understand why others don't want to see these rankings before they come out. I guess to each his own. I wanted to ask you. Last night I caught the second set on most courts of the ESPN3 broadcast. I was at the UGA girls match watching the Texas A&M coaches and players constantly whining about the UGA crowd. Anyone, what I wanted to ask you is did you feel that the announcers were biased toward A&M. I actually thought they were rooting for the Aggies. It could have been me though, so I was wondering what you and other thought. Even they had to admit that the one call during Pasha's second tiebreak was ridiculous. I never say Will Glenn react like that and I have been following UGA tennis a long, long time.
     
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    Texas A&M winning was fine with me, although Georgia winning would have been fine as well, so I don't think I am particularly biased. I was watching ESPN3 and saw Vinsant's lob land a little long. I was surprised at the overrule.

    I think it is bad that the court beyond the baseline is gray. I don't think that is enough contrast to the white line when you are trying to see space between the ball and the line. With that being said, I thought I saw space between the ball and the line.
     
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  5. TopDawg

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    Maybe a small slant towards aTm but I didn't think it was too bad. It was the first time I've actually watched one of these on ESPN3 from start to finish and I thought they did a decent job though they tend to go over the top sometimes when describing things to make whoever they are talking about seem like the top player in the country.

    I put the feed up on my TV so I was able to watch it on the big screen while keeping track of the scores on my computer. It was odd that they had the camera centered behind courts 1 and 2 but not on the rest. The angle was much better on aTm's site though the clarity was better on ESPN3s feed. A few times late in the match they'd go to a split screen and have the same court on both splits. If they can implement a way to get a scoreboard somewhere on the screen that is current it'd make the broadcast that much better. All in all though I thought the broadcasters did a good enough job.
     
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  6. Clemson_tennis

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    The broadcast have been good. It's something they could definitely expand next year. The color commentator knows a lot however it seems like he dumbs it down at times when he doesn't really have to. The play by play guy does make it sound like every player is top 10 in the nation, talks them up a lot.

    A split screen feature would be cool for tight moments.
     
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  7. chris-swede

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    how high can texas go now in the rankings?
     
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    There's a gap between 5 and 6. 6 might be their limit even if they beat Baylor barring one if the top 5 suffering a big upset loss.
     
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    will UNC move up if they beat Notre Dame tomorrow?
     
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    The highest they can go would be 9th and that's if Texas A&M loses to Tennessee. If Texas A&M beat Tennessee, which they should, A&M would be 8th, Georgia 9th, and UNC 10th. If Illinois upset Ohio State along with Texas A&M beating Tennessee then UNC would be at 11th.
     
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    A & M has some nerve to whine!! Their crowd is known to be pretty hostile as well. As they say, "Whats good for the goose..." :pStop the whinning A & M!!:rolleyes:
     
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    Stanford will move into top 10 after next weekend. they should beat USC and UCLA in away match.
     
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    I am still laughing after reading this post. The ghost of Fedace lives.....
     
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    After so many failed predictions he's become a caricature of his former self. Those former predictions he really believed could happen. But they all fell flat. He just can't believe or accept the fact that Standford men's tennis has never bounced back to national prominence. Now he just throws out even wilder predictions just looking to see who responds. His fall back has been cheer leading the Standford women success.
     
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  15. Clemson_tennis

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    Yeah it used to be that there was a very very minute chance of what he predicted could in fact happen. Like the year he talked up Clayton all year and his team and they very nearly beat Virginia. Then last year the bold predictions were more like GSOM's Cal predictions. Not gonna happen but still not insane enough to completely take as a joke. Now its just sad clinging to the past.
     
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    so now UNC should be #10 now or? they won a huge road match @ ND.. !!!
     
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  17. chris-swede

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    Duke should be ahead of Notre Dame and Kentucky now???
     
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    This should be it for Tuesday - I'll recheck the #s later just to double check.

    1. Ohio State 81.36
    2. USC 77.78
    3. UCLA 76.44
    4. Virginia 74.46
    5. Oklahoma 73.49
    6. Texas 65.64
    7. Baylor 64.47
    8. Texas A&M 59.44
    9. Georgia 58.81
    10. North Carolina 58.67
    11. Illinois 56.38
    12. Notre Dame 54.14
    13. Duke 49.76
    14. Kentucky 46.31
    15. Florida 41.22
    16. Mississippi State 39.63
    17. Columbia 38.35
    18. Clemson 37.51
    19. California 37.20
    20. Tennessee 35.38
    21. Wake Forest 34.19
    22. Boise State 34.18
    23. Oklahoma State 31.07
    24. South Florida 29.68
    25. Penn State 29.31
     
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    Looks about right to me. Except I'd have Duke over ND by .01. I wonder if Columbia can make a host seed. What a pit their home courts are.
     
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  20. Clemson_tennis

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    Those rankings make the loss to Wake even worse because it looks like Clemson could have been in the top 16 if they had beaten Wake.
     
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    They would have been 15th had they won.
     
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    It would be much more interesting to see Columbia host rather than Miss State or Florida.
     
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    USC and UCLA will play each other once for sure and probably twice counting their tournament, so either they will split or one team will lose twice. If UVA goes undefeated the rest of the way (very likely), will UVA end up third?

    The key to winning the NCAA's this year is avoiding a killer QF match and whoever ends up #4 or #5 and will have beat three very good teams to win it. I am taking into account that the men have to play the QF, SF, and F on three straight days and it almost certainly going to be very hot (85 to 95) and humid in Athens, so stamina will be very important. If the #2 and #3 seeds have to play a knock down drag out 4 hour match at nearly all lines and it ends up 4-3, the winner may not have much left for the finals, so I think the #1 seed should have an advantage.

    Of course, #1 has to play #4 or #5 and that could be a very long tough match as well. Right now #1 would probably play UGA (OK maybe TAMU), and that would be a tough match for OSU given they lost to UGA a few weeks ago.

    Athens was once a mad house when UGA played, but when UGA went off the quarter system and adopted the semester system the students are gone by the time if the NCAA's, so it not all that bad these days. In the old days the students were still there and it was very raucous and down right nasty for the visitors.

    I am not knocking those below 5, but I think they are not nearly as tough as the top 5.

    Do you know if UCLA's Puget will be back and healthy? It seems he could take a medical red shirt if he does not play and then play all next year.

    IMO with a healthy Puget I think UCLA is the favorite, but without him UCLA and UVA are about equal with OSU maybe just a tad worse.

    I expect to make my 7th consecutive NCAA finals and stay until UVA wins or is eliminated.
     
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  24. TopDawg

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    Big weekend for Alabama upsetting both Vandy and Kentucky at home - they should jump from 45 to 29.
     
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    Puget should be back no later than the USC match in 3 weeks and possibly sooner from what I've heard. I agree that if he's healthy they should be slight favorites because he should help them a bunch in doubles which they sorely need and he'd make the singles lineup that much stronger.

    UGA went from quarters to semesters around 96-97 if I remember correctly and that did change the dynamics for both tennis and the first few home football games. Under semesters everybody was gone 3 weeks before the NCAAs and didn't come back until 3 weeks after the football season started. I always liked the quarter system much better.

    Virginia could end up 3rd if USC swept UCLA or vice versa and Oklahoma lost again. If USC and UCLA split they'll both stay ahead of Virginia along with Ohio State. If Oklahoma won out meaning a win over Baylor and possibly Texas and Baylor again they'd probably finish ahead of Virginia though it'd be close. So much depends on how everyone's opponents finish too because if someone you beat jumps another 10 spots in the rankings that obviously helps you but if 1 of your best 10 drops 10 spots that hurts.
     
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  26. chris-swede

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    Clemson lost to wake and gets ahead of cal ?? That is mad. Cal is winning a lot and falling? I agree they are not that good but looks weird to me. Msu is also ranked too high. Vols are ranked too high.
     
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    Nd ahead of duke is another joke. Why??
     
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  28. Clemson_tennis

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    new rankings

    a couple small differences from TopDawg's calculations. A&M at 10 rather than 8. Columbia at 19 rather than 17.
     
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  29. TopDawg

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    Yeah when I saw that I got all ****ed off then went back and found my errors - sloppy work by me.

    UCLA - forgot to give them 5.5 bonus points for road win at Oregon
    Baylor - my figure is right but Baylor didn't key the result against Memphis into the system so it wasn't counted for this week
    Texas A&M - I used TCU as the 7th best win instead of Tulsa - bad on my part
    Clemson - I counted the FSU win based off points from 2 weeks ago instead of last week (17 point swing)
    Columbia - I used the March 18th points instead of 25th.
    Penn St - I had the wrong losing points to Illinois
    South Florida - I forgot the bonus points for road win over Miami

    I've been transferring over a spreadsheet from week to week and I just need to clear out all the points to make sure I update them all correctly with the new #s. Hopefully won't happen again. I hang my head in shame :(
     
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    still great work by u topdawg !!!
     
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  31. chris-swede

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    still think Clemson is ranked too high, they are a good team, but do not feel that good.
    they lost easily to Wake Forest for example, and also lost to Boise State, well they ve a lot of decent wins, which helps them a lot
    hmm..MSU is 16th now..okay clemson also could be 16th...

    why is Ole Miss behind teams like Miami, Cornell, Elon???
     
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  32. TopDawg

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    A combination of poorer wins and more losses than those teams is the answer.

    Elon has 3 losses and 2 ranked wins over top 75 teams - 1 of which is #13 Duke. Ole Miss has more points from wins than Elon but the extra 7 defeats drop them.
    Cornell has 5 losses and 4 wins over top 75 teams and 2 just outside the top 75.
    Miami has 5 wins over top 75 teams and 6 losses.
    Ole Miss has 10 losses and 3 wins over top 75 teams though after that the other countable wins are against teams like Jackson State which give you basically no points.
     
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    the jackson state wins should count double !!!
     
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