Are Murray and Djockovic on something?

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  1. Tropikal_Knights

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    Lance in disguise. That is what I think of when I see the two aforementioned.

    Look at the physique of Muzza at the end of last year to now. The guy has bulked up in a big way.

    And Lance 2.0 as most of us know has some major question marks.

    Today's match was a case in point. At the end of 5 sets Murray looked fresh as a daisy and that playing another 5 would have been no issue for him. Granted he was pushing fed around on a string but he had to do some running as well.

    The guy has added some serious power to his game not to mention serve. My only query is so soon all of a sudden? How have him and Lance developed the ability to not get tired? EPO's perhaps.

    p.s. On a side note was mightily impressed with the fight the Swiss master showed. At age 31 to run around like a demon for 4 sets was painful to watch for me let alone imagine doing at his age. My respect for him went up after this match. My only regret is his serve percentage. If he had served 70 or 80% he could have won. Why his is serve letting him down continuously?

    p.p.s Was it just me or did federer tank the 5th. I mean it seemed that he gave it his all in the fourth and preceding sets. Yet either tanked the fifth or for the first time I saw that he maybe got tired. Whatever it was it was not the normal fed in the fifth. He seemed a vacuous shell of himself in the 5th.
     
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    not to mention his 20 or 25 aces in this match ;)
     
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    Djockovic? lol
     
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    They're juicing, baby !!
     
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    I think it's time for a sticky doping thread so all of the doping talk can have a nice and tidy home.
     
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    they are just high on life.
     
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    They get high on beating Fed
     
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    So you are surprised about a 25 year old player that only played three setters during the tournament, enduring a five setter, but you are not surprised about a 31 year old player that played a long five setter the previous round and again a five setter today?

    Are you on something?
     
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    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if tennis had a cycling moment. I hope I'm wrong though.
     
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  11. Tropikal_Knights

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    Not surprising when that 32yr old has been at the forefront of calls for drug testing in tennis for the last 3 years so no .
     
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    The 31 yr old wasnt fresh as a daisy at the end either. Thats the point the poster was making.
     
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    Wow it is so shocking that a 31 year old Federer in its 6th post prime year lost a 6 year younger prime Murray after having to play back to back 5 setters while Murray had a 3 setter.

    It sure means Murray must be on roids.
     
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    How many gs titles will federer have once nadal, djokovic and murray are all stripped of their titles?

    Can someone work it out or get mustard he will know.
     
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    um bongo
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    they drink it in the congo
    bing bong blah blah blah
    apricot and mango.
     
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    haha!!!!!!!!
     
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  18. Kilco

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    Murray has not bulked up in the upper body from end of 2012 to 2013. He said it looks like it only because he wears a tighter fitting shirt. He has added 4 pounds of muscle to his legs however in the off season.
     
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    how many gs title will Roddick have one Fed is stripped of all his titles? :)

    if nadal, novak, murray can be under suspicion, why not Fed? what he is doing out there as a 31 yr old does not seem physically possible.
     
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    Đoković is on donkey cheese & excellence.
     
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    These doping threads are just beating a dead horse..

    :roll:
     
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    Word is Nadal texted Murray before the match...maybe he told him how to beat Fed in a slam lol
     
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  23. TheF1Bob

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    Dokovic = YES!

    Muzza = 50/50

    8)
     
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  24. Fedex

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    Traitor. I thought you were a Djokovic fan?!
     
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    Is this Clarky's alt account or something?
     
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    Plus 50 +++++
     
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    It's so obvious that Lance is on something these days. 8)
     
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    Does Dolly Parton sleep on her back?
     
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    Can you send PEDs through text message?
     
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    My husband just took to Facebook to publicly accuse me of doping because he believes my levels of tennis watching and posting to TW over the last two weeks would not be possible without the use of PEDs. I told him I submit blood and urine to TW at least three times a year. It's there in the fine, fine print when you register for an account.
     
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    It's sad that in this era of sports when you see something that seems too good you begin to think PEDs.

    But in most cases, it's turned out to be true. Lance, most of the MLB, some Olympians, etc.


    Where there's been smoke, there's too often been fire.

    I'm suspicious.... but not accusatory.... yet.
     
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    This could have been a straight sets win for Andy and maybe should have been but in the end the best two players advanced to the final and will provide the best Final
     
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    For sure.

    Sad to see tennis following cycling.

    Lance and the Scotsman on some major roids.

    Contador feared getting caught so has not returned.

    Fed - at least he is a clean player
     
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    Murray has historically always been sub par with only one or two days rest before slam finals or semis after hard semi final or quarter matches, the Wimbledon 2012 semi with Ferrer a long rallied 4 set match with 2 tie breakers for instance which took the sting out of Murray for the final. Sure he played well first set at Wimbledon against Federer but couldn't sustain it.
    You'll see the same normal pattern on Sunday almost guaranteed I'm afraid.
    And why is it so strange that Murray should have lots of energy for today's Federer match after a straight sets stroll through the draw.
    It's not like he won a 5 hour semi followed by a 6 hour final.
    And so what if he did somehow. The guy is known to work extremely hard in training and is super fit to athlete standard.
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    31 is young! You make it sound as if Federer is 80 and needs a walker to get around the court. How old is Kobe Bryant? (Hint: he's 34!)
     
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    The match against Ferrer was a quarterfinal, Murray beat Tsonga in a pretty unphysical 4 setter in the semifinal. I really think Murray will be fine on Sunday, but we'll see.
     
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    If men look after themselves and stay in condition they can have more brute strength and stamina in their thirties.
    A bit less speed probably though.
     
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    Did he? My mistake but my general point stands.
     
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    That is true, but the important thing in tennis is explosiveness, not strength and Federer has noticeably declined in that regard. Stamina can also be better in the thirties but recovery is not, which is why you see Federer having trouble recovering from that 5 setter with Tsonga, a match that wasn't even that physical.
     
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  40. The_Order

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    This thread really takes the cake.

    So a 25 yr old Murray not looking too tired after a 5 setter = doper.

    And a 24 yr old Novak playing back to back 5 and 6 hour matches = doper.

    BUT 31 yr old Federer playing back to back 5 setters = incredible fighting spirit.

    Fwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    ******* logic at its finest :lol:

    Oh, and let's not forget Federer hardly ever sweats...
     
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  41. THE FIGHTER

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    it's quite evident these second tier players are doping. they're going to need all the EPO, PEDs and TRT they can squeeze in from now until the final to keep it from being a complete push fest.
     
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    Cloud Nine
     
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    ^ This.

    Except, the only way you can logically presume that those who beat Fed are on something is if you think his own level of play is too good to be true by natural means. As an attempt to save the reputation of your defeated hero, it's something of an own goal.

    More sensibly, as this is the first big tournament of the year when players shouldn't be suffering from fatigue, I'd speculate that they should bounce back from the longer matches a bit quicker than they would later in the season. They should all have been training for long matches in their off-season.
     
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    I never thought about it until this thread came up but Federer just played two tough 5 setters in succession.
    That is amazing and the guy deserves massive credit for this effort.
    Testament to his immense talent, anticipation, footwork and skill and efficiency of play.
    Not doping.
     
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  45. THE FIGHTER

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    not federer. too busy flirting with delpo in south americaland
     
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    Yeh and you have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the thread title after this.
     
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    So it's reactions, speed and recovery that suffer significantly for a tennis player heading into the thirties.
     
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  48. BreakPoint

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    Federer's stamina and endurance are legendary. The guy has pulled out 5 set matches, even from 2 sets down and even under the intense heat of Australian summers, many times. He's been like that all of his career. His game is naturally effortless.

    Meanwhile, both Djokovic and Murray are well known for having no stamina and no endurance. They used to retire from matches or puke on court because they were out of condition and had no stamina nor endurance. Then all of a sudden both Djokovic and Murray become superhuman with so much endurance and stamina they could probably play 24 hours straight for 7 days in a row? Come on, now. People's natural make-up just doesn't change that quickly. You need a little outside "help". Just ask Lance Armstrong. :shock:

    Oh, and if you know of a PED that makes someone stop sweating at all, please tell us what it is.
     
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    I don't believe they're doping, but did anyone notice the announcer during the Djokovic-Ferrer match (I think Patrick McEnroe?) catch himself from making what I assume was going to be a comparison to Novak and cyclists? It was when they flashed back to him ripping his shirt off. They were joking about his body fat percentage, and the announcer started to say, "just like many, many of the..." then he just abruptly trailed off and never made his comparison. I think he was going to say cyclists and stopped himself from going there.
     
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  50. Al Czervik

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    I can't really speculate on Murray.

    Novak is the guy who had a grand slam for defaults and all kinds of asthma problems, looks like a tour cyclist, and went from very good to superhuman. This place has probably brainwashed me, but I think he's dirty.

    I never really thought about Ferrer, but peaking at 30 strikes me like Brady Anderson's 50 home runs.
     
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