Are Nadal and Djokovic the 2 biggest sore losers in tennis today?

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  1. Mike Sams

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    The truth is, you need an ego to make it in sports. But how come there's no such thing as a good sport anymore? Further more, these 2 guys make more excuses than anybody. Today Djokovic completely disregards Dimitrov's win. Nadal likewise disregarded Djokovic's win in Monte Carlo.
    This is very poor sportsmanship. I realize that neither of them are particularly educated and basically tennis is the only thing they know how to do but surely somebody somewhere must've taught them something about humility and sportsmanship? :? These are just basic things you learn as you grow into an adult.
    How can an athlete for years and years make an excuse for every single loss the way Djokovic and Nadal are doing??? :lol:
     
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    Yeah because Nadal behaves the way Cvac did today with his profanity filled tirade towards the crowd.
     
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    What planet are you watching tennis from? Obviously, the signal you're getting there is very weak and you must not have watched much tennis in the last seven years. Both Nole and Rafa are great sportsmen. They conduct themselves with dignity and class almost all of the time. They both seem quite a bit more educated than many of the people I went to college with.

    To what are you referring anyway? That Nole said he hadn't played tennis is 12 days. So what. A fact is a fact. He also said that the better man won and that he didn't want to make excuses. Most professional tennis players are great sports. There aren't any morons like the McEnroe or Connors anymore. Their antics were just stupid and uneducated--didn't McEnroe go to Stanford for a year. Berdych's refusal to shake Alamgro's hand is the only example I can think of of a tennis pro acting like a knob recently.
     
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    Djok cried about the color blue last year. Will he now boycott Madrid because it isn't immediately following M-C? It's his job to be sharp after 12 days off...that's not a long layoff.
     
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    A lot of people "cried" about it being blue. Didn't Federer just say today that the surface now was much better than last year?
     
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    Federer is also a pretty big sore loser (ex. crying in AO '09 award ceremony). You sort of have to be at that level of the game.

    Murray is probably the 'best loser' of the big four, makes relatively few injury excuses (recently the bad back), etc.
     
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    You just described most of the professional athletes out there (especially the elite ones).

    You may see it as an excuse but I prefer it when the players are honest in their interviews, copy paste "I gave it a 110% but he was better on the day bla bla bla" interviews bore the crap out of me.

    I mean both Nadal at MC and Novak here still gave credits to their opponents but also said that in their own opinion there weren't at their best, why shouldn't they say so if that's what they feel? I also tend to agree with them, I don't think Nadal played his best at MC final and neither did Novak play his best in his loss to Dimitrov.
     
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    Crying at the award ceremony didn't make him a sore loser any more than Muzza crying at Wimby last year made him a sore loser. Mometarily struggling to control your emotions has nothing to do with being sporting.

    I'm actually always quite impressed by how well the big four take their losses. Fed standing there gentlemanly in the twilight in '08; Nadal trying to hold up his broken body with the net at AO '12 when he had been a sitter and five points form the title; Nole losing with class, as always, at RG last year after df for the match.

    The "legends" of the 70s set the bar pretty high for boorish behavior. I don't know if the story about Borg walking right out of the stadium before the award ceremony after his last USO loss to Mac is true or apocryphal, but that would be a great example of being a poor loser.
     
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    Since when is crying a sign of being a sore loser? :confused:
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    I have watched this match since and there is no good excuse for Nole losing anyway. He played fine - if not very well - and somebody actually displayed the level of game and finesse to beat him. The majority of the credit really needs to go to Dimitrov here, who overcame some personal demons (actually winning set 1 in the context of once again not closing out the set when serving for it) and put the match to bed. So, well done to Dimitrov who played a perfectly adequate Djokovic - a player almost nobody else beats. After all, you simply cannot play your 'very best' every single match.
     
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    Are you kidding me? Have you read some of Fed's pressers after he lost? He's basically the biggest sore loser of any active player right now.
     
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    His press conference after the USO2011 semi was pretty appalling — But then again you can have sympathy given the circumstances.
     
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    But Rogi didn't threaten to skip the event if the surface wasn't changed. He, simply, adapted and played on to win.
     
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    Absolutely amazing! Except it wasn't, it was just what every player should have done (other than win it). Apparently though, that proved to be very difficult indeed.
     
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    Who is the next up nadal ? these nadal and djokovic suck at medium paced courts , they should thank tennis gods for having them conditions favorable to them to gain so many slams...
     
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    I was about to post something else, but this line totally cracked me up. This is one for the ages, and very sig-worthy, my friend.

    You are one of the few Rafa fans who get this. Mucho respecto, amigo.
     
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    That's because he's arrogant, in addition to being a sore loser, of course, even though he won it.:)
     
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    is djokovic having an 8 months break from now on ? :-?
     
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    Well it kind of takes away the moment from your victorious opponent, etc.

    If that example doesn't satisfy you, then a good example of Fed being a sore loser is his post-match press conference after the USO SF 2011.
     
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    Yup, standards of conduct at the elite level were lower back then. I agree in general the big 4 are good sports. I also think that to a certain extent, there is nothing wrong with being a sore loser.
     
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    A world of difference compared to Andy when he lost Shanghai.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    But I thought this was to do with a death threat...
     
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    Yes, because Federer cried on purpose just so he can take away from Nadal's moment. He had it planned all along. :???:

    And nobody cares if Federer is a sore loser or not. His tennis is still 100 times more beautiful to watch than Nadal's is.
     
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  24. Tenez101

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    Ok, ok, take it easy man. Sensitive much? :lol:

    People can't always control their actions, just as some people can't really control being sore losers (it's engrained in them as part of their competitive nature). In this case, Fed couldn't stop himself from bawling in front of millions of people after taking a hard 5-set loss to his greatest rival. It happens. Chill.
     
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    There are many sore losers in sports, if that means the occasional mention to external factors to justify a defeat. If you think about it the system is designed to produce them.

    Other big names that have had their moments of weakness are Verdasco or Davydenko. Federer's AO'09 PMI is an egregious example.

    I have no problem with that, it is pretty understandable, and I like how it is good ammo to troll raging fans. I have more difficulty understanding how fans put these guys on pedestals and are utterly blind to any possible blemish in their idols' personalities.

    Regarding the OP, I don't think Djokovic is a bad case of sore loser. The guy externalizes his emotions a lot, perhaps excessively for some tastes. As a counterargument you could use how he often applauds his opponent's great shots, that's something I like to see (and do myself) and I think speaks of genuine love for the sport.

    Nadal is the complete opposite, he almost always puts up a façade, so he always sounds fake.
     
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    The first reasonable post I have ever seen from you. It must be the news of Sir Alex's retirement affecting me. I am probably missing the sarcasm.
     
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    OP, are you serious ? Djokovic is one of the most gracious losers out there. So what's wrong in him saying in his presser why he thought he lost ? It's not like he finds an excuse every time he loses.
     
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    OP got y'all jammed up again I see. He baits you all EVERYTIME
     
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    This! :D

    OP totally out to lunch ... listen to what Novak "excellent sportsman" really said! opposite to OP's troll :razz:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knpf2k6ufMw

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    Oh right, I'm sure they are, especially when the other member of the triad (triad of #1 players) sobs and complains about getting killed after losses.
     
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    I was kind of hoping that you responded to Murray crying at Wimbledon and how in your book it makes him a better loser.
     
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    I agree that it was somewhat embarassing, as a Federer fan, to see Federer crying at AO presentation. However I think he really did well at the end. If I remember correctly, when Federer broke down, the presenter moved over to handing Nadal the trophy with the intention of coming back to Federer after Nadal had spoken. But as soon as the trophy was handed, Federer jumped in and made his speech saying that it was Rafa's moment and he didn't want to hijack it. He made sure that he was not the one who spoke last during the presentation as that is something that only the winner should do.
     
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    Actually he isn't at all, Nadal doesn't shy away one bit from talking about his physical ailments (be it knees, stomach tear, broken foot, pain in famous ar$e, shoulder injury etc.) following a loss, heck if you look at his losses ever since say 2007, the majority of them (especially when we're talking about slams) are associated with one injury or another.

    People think he's fake (whether rightly or wrongly) when he overly praises Federer or when he insists he's not the main favourite for some tournament on clay he won like 20 times or something.

    I personally don't have a problem with either of those aspects of Nadal's (public) personality but since you're so against putting players on a pedestal (a sentiment with which I wholeheartedly agree), that includes him as well.
     
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    ^^ With opposite I was referring to the fact that Nole seems to wear his heart in his sleeve, whereas Rafa wears always his scowling (on court) or indifferent (off court) poker face. It is true that both are, at the very least, hypochondriacs.

    No one excluded Nadal, the guy has his fair share of human imperfections, as anyone else.
     
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    Don't you understand that tears come on their own, not deliberately. Have you ever had tears or choked while watching a flick, or at a funeral ? Could you postpone them till an hour later ?
     
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    Murray had yet again failed to win a GS after 4 tries, and had a very real chance to win that final. On top of that, he was playing in front of his home crowd, plus there was obviously something very personal going on behind the scenes during that tournament (Murray pointing to the sky after every victory, etc.).

    Federer on the other hand, had won 13 grand slams before the AO '09, so I don't think his loss was quite as painful as Murray's (other than the fact that it showed that there finally was someone around who could beat Federer on a consistent basis and sort of 'ended' his era). To be fair someone in the audience screamed "We love you Federer!!!" during his speech, it might have been his fans' devotion which broke the dam.

    So it seemed like Murray was crying because he had once again disappointed his team, his country, and himself and was going home empty-handed, whereas Federer was crying because he had once again lost to his greatest rival on the biggest stage.
     
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    Come on, you're not comparing Federer's AO loss to a funeral are you?
     
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    Federer a big sore loser as well esepecially against Berdych in 2010 WB and 12 US.

    Djokovic 08 AO loss,10,11 US SF losses.

    Nadal is a bigger sore loser than the rest.

    Djokovic is one of the best losers but even he is sore about it like he was against Haas in Miami.
     
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    Rogi just hates losing to that ball-bashing Czech, I don't know why...
     
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    Bet you didn't say the same thing when Nadal said he didn't have enough practice time after IW to be able to do well in MC. And Nadal didn't practice at all for a whole month after IW because of his knee, which is a lot longer than the lousy 12 days Cvac whined about.
     
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    As a Federer fan, I didn't feel embarrassed at all. In fact, I felt the opposite. More emboldened. Loved him even more. To see that he felt the love from the crowd continuing to cheer vociferously for him and calling out his name and displaying their adoration for him despite his failure was enough for me to tear up with him. The fact that he felt all that love surrounding him deep down enough to break down and cry and take his loyal fans to heart just made him much more human instead of being just a tennis playing robot, and made his fans love him even more. :)
     
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    Good point, this is a part of that moment that seems to get lost sometimes. Crying is an involuntary action, you can't stop yourself once that throat closes and the tears run. All you can do is keep your mouth shut and hope nobody notices, something that's not really possible when you have to give a speech to the world.

    What Federer could control, he controlled as well as anyone could.
     
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    None can match Nadal. He was so sore after losing to Soderling and Rosol that he took months off to "recover" from "injury".
     
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    You know Clarky, I'd rather see someone telling me to "lick his d1ck" then to think the same and pretend to be humble and nice with you.

    Fake people are less worthy imo. (I'm not talking just about players now).

    Now, I don't defend Nole's vulgarity but his frustration towards crowd is very much understood, in his situation, I wouldn't come back to Madrid again, tournament doesn't deserve to have him play there.


    Anyway, Novak gave credit to Dimitrov and is always genuinely gracious in defeats towards other players.
     
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    when players get to number one they all seem to come up with more excuses for their losses. Just seems the way things go.
     
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    Just playing devil’s advocate but, I would love to see the list for happy losers.
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    Nalbandian....
     
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    that press video of Novak is a complete opposite of sore loser.
    he credits Dimi 2-3 times and just says it was a shame he could not practice enough. so what?
    he also especially pointed at Dimi at the net , giving him all teh respect.
    i don't thind Nadal or Fed would think of doing that.
     
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    Good point. Although David could have saved himself if he had immediately been remorseful and apologetic and sincere and all that. Instead, he just kind of stood there like an idiot while this old bloke is bleeding.
     
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    How can you tell when someone is being fake or genuine? If they essentially say the same things.
     
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