are one handed backhands often overrated?

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  1. dominikk1985

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    I hear very often that a 1HBH is called "best BH in tennis". like gasquet,wawrinka or almagro now for example. a few years ago even many called federers BH the best (although he ran around 70% of his BHs).

    I understand that they are aesthically pleasing and look better, but I think commentators don't give enough credit to the 2 handers.

    of course every once in a while gasquet hits a 100 MPH BH winner down the line and all guys are in awe but if you consider consistency all the best BHs in the last decade have been 2 handers.

    but I have hardly seen a commentator praising nalbandians, safins, novaks or murrays BH like they did with the one handers.

    Is there a bias toward one handers because it's more "old school" and cool looking?
     
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  3. billnepill

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    lol then why would u bother making 7,5 k posts? :)

    on the subject: I think people gave praise to 2-handers as well. OP mentioned Nalbandian and his BH is his best shot. If he won 10 + slams, then it would have been named one of the best in history.

    People also give more kudos to the aggressive shots, not the reliable ones. Borg had a reliable backhand, but it's that the first thing it pops up in your mind when you mention Borg? Not to mention that the 3 other main candidates for the crown of the greatest in history had an one handed backhands.
     
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  4. billnepill

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    oh and yeah - about the commentators - they are professional band wagoners. I remember the time when young Federer made some terrific shots and commentators were "meh, yeah, good shot". When he won 3-4 Slams commentators were praising virtually every single winner, calling him maestro and a magician.
    The point is, they will praise whatever the public believes is of value.
     
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  5. DjokerIsTheBest

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    That's exactly the point. Why wouldn't he/she make 7.5 k posts? Since we're all going to die anyways. It doesn't matter either way. Not doing something is the same as doing something.
     
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  6. Manus Domini

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    Because the one-hander is better ;)
     
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    The two hander is the most consistent and stable shot in my game. I think it's a main stay because of how hard people hit. The one hander is a beautiful looking shot though. But I would put my money on Safin's two hander over Gasquet's one hander. Consistency is key.
     
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    lol how can I argue with that?

    If she cares about anything for the sake of doing something I would channel her energy into cleaning up the park nearby. :twisted:
     
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    What's the point since no one will be able to use the park when the Sun burns out. :)
     
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  12. above bored

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    It's because a good 2 hander is much easier to learn, which makes it less impressive.
     
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    If for some strange remote reason you play tennis, give it a try and let us know what you think.
     
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    haw... c'mon mandy... i dont like Nadal anymore than you do, but that is a gross exageration!!!! :p
     
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  15. dominikk1985

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    I admit that I'm a 2 hander but I can hit a half decent one handed topspin (I used it for about 3 months 2 years ago because I injured my non dominant wrist on a bike crash).

    Just today I hit a one handed winner down the line because I could only get to it on the run. I like playing one handed and often do it when I play "social tennis". but against pace and depth I think the 2 hander is better (of course this is because I'm used to it).

    one hander is better if you kill slow balls or against low balls at the knees.
     
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    Hmmm....this poster makes sense.
    But because I like this picture..

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Gorecki

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    i agree with this female :cool:

    your edit!!! lmao...
     
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  18. bhallic24

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    I think the opening poster is just jealous because he can't hit a beautiful one handed backhand a la Gasquet. Anyways, the commentators give tons of praise to two handed BH so I dunno what you're talking about.

    Its just that theres so few one handed backhanders that whenever they mention the backhand you take note. Everyone nowadays hits 2hbh.
     
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    Doesn't sound like you watch much. And prove it.
     
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  20. rfm29

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    I agree with this. You notice the rarer thing the most, which is the one hander. But Wawrinka and Gasquet do have some of the best backhands in the game.
     
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    Ok knowing that you have an opinion and a bit of experience, next question is....which shot is easier to master and maintain a more penetrating shot? One handed or two handed?
     
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  22. dominikk1985

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    certainly two handed is easier. to develope a penetrating shot with one hand is not so much a problem if you have solid technique, the real problem with one hand is to deal with deep and hard shots to your BH. need great timing and balance to handle them because the one hander has the point of contact further out front.

    if you are a little late on the one hander you are cooked while on a two hander the left hand can adjust.
     
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  23. rommil

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    Then there you go.....the answer to your original post.
     
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    yeah right but tennis is about results. Shouldn't an effective two hander get the same credit that a one hander gets?

    after all the commentator didn't say "nice shot considering he is a one hander":D.
     
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    I hit both fairly well. 2hbh most of my playing life then most recently a 1hbh due to injury. I’m sticking to the 1hbh, even played a tournament with it. 2hbh is definitely easier and takes less skill to hit at a high level. It’s a simple shot. Take the racquet back, move it foreword. Ta-dah, you just hit a 2hbh and it works against any shot. Fast or slow. It’s a dummy shot really. It’s obvious why most juniors pick it up in favor of a 1hbh and just stick to it. The 1hbh is a give and take. It’s not as solid and takes better timing but it adds a few options the 2hbh doesn’t have.

    In terms of the pro game a lot of 1hbh players use their backhand as a weapon while most 2hbh players use it as a consistent shot. It makes sense because the 1hbh is more prone to errors so you shouldn’t be going up against a 2hbh just trying to rally and hope the 2hbh makes an error. It won’t happen. So 1hbh players tend to go for aggressive shots more often on their 1hbh side. It’s how Federer basically destroyed Murray in the 2010 Aus Open final. If it works it genius, if it fails people talk about how the 1hbh is a dying shot.
     
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  26. rommil

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    Results? Right now as it stands, it would take the pool of the other active ATP players to equal the total number of GS titles of one pro that hits a one handed backhand.
     
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    Yes but this is due to the fact that the one hander dominated tennis for so long and later pete and federer (who won their titles with their FH and serve more than with their BH) won a lot.

    If you only look at the top10 of the last 15 years I guess more than 80% were two handers.
     
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    They talk about Murray's backhand a lot when he plays, and Novak's gets some solid credit from them. It just so happens that currently a couple people with one handers have some some of the top backhands. But so do some two handers (see above) and they get just as much credit.
     
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  29. BreakPoint

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    Because it takes a lot more skill to hit a great 1HBH than to hit a great 2HBH. Let's face it, the reason someone ends up using a 2HBH is because they had a weak 1HBH. If they could hit a 1HBH as well as a 2HBH, they would have stuck with a 1HBH.
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    That's false. It's the complete package. Without their 1HBH's, neither Sampras nor Federer would have won nearly as much. Having a 1HBH changes all of your other shots and how you play the game. Neither would have been nearly as aggressive players if they didn't have 1HBH's, and thus, would not have been as successful.
     
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    When hit properly, a one handed backhand drive is about the most beautiful shot in tennis.

    I do think it's overrated in terms of reach. Yes, when you're stretched, a one handed slice backhand is your last line of defense, but most two handed players can hit that shot. To hit a one handed drive requires more precise footwork and a bigger shoulder turn than a two-hander. You can really run to your spot and pull a two hander off quickly. With an open stance, a super abbreviated motion, while turning on a dime. I would argue that a two-handed drive offers more reach in that it can actually be HIT under trickier circumstances, whereas the one handed guy has to go to the slice (a shot used by all players these days) more often.
     
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  32. Clay lover

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    Cannot agree more...the open stance 2hbh is a very good counter-punching shot and players like Nadal and Djokovic have used it to great effect...can't same the same for 1hbhs...
     
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    You are not that stupid, as a matter of fact you know some things. You just dont know how to string them together.
     
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  34. BreakPoint

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    The open stance 2HBH is about the ugliest shot in tennis. Looks like you're chopping wood. :(
     
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    Why don't people just hit both, choosing between the 1HBH and the 2HBH as necessary? I mean, two-handers hit a one-handed slice.
     
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    ugly=/=ineffective, no?:oops:
     
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  37. eidolonshinobi

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    well that's one way to start a thread lol.

    I personally love the jumping 2HBH.
     
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  38. BreakPoint

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    Well, personally, I'd rather lose beautifully than win ugly. :)
     
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    Are you kidding me? Did you see the miami match between nadal and federer? All they said was: oh, fed cant attack w/ his bh here like he could in the wtf, Oh, he missed that backhand cuz its a one hander, oh, he double faulted due to lost confiddence when he missed that bh, oh, he shanked that fh cuz his bh did not set it up right. I was like UGHHHHH this is stupid...
     
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  40. tennytive

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    I hit a 1 hand backhand in tennis.
    I save the 2 handers for squash, racquetball, badminton and ping pong.
     
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    I think the opposite ist true - nowadays most people tend to stick with their 2HBH. The reson being, when young and short/weak, a 2HBH is the far easier shot. By the time they have sufficient strength and coordination to develop a decent 1HBH, they have been practicing hitten it with 2 hands for quite some time. Sacrificing this consistent shot for a 1HBH that will certainly throw you back and maybe it will never be as good as your 2HBH. So why change a winning team?
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    My point is the same. Even players who started playing tennis with 2HBH's will at some point try to hit a 1HBH. Most will find that they can't hit a 1HBH nearly as well as their 2HBH. Thus, they go back to their 2HBH. But if they could hit a 1HBH as well as their 2HBH, they would have stuck with the 1HBH. :)
     
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    Absolutely spot on.

    Commentators are always praising the one-handed BH, even when the guy is getting crushed and spraying them wide.

    It has to do with several factors. One is that one-handed backhands were looked up to in a previous era. Another is that negative comments about Fed's BH are taboo in tennis broadcasting. Third is that some feel it is still a shame for men to rely on 2 hands.

    But as champions like Nadal and Djokovic prevail, there will be less and less of this.
     
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    Nah......People will always view 2HBH's as being girly. :)
     
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    That's my mentality lol.

    No offense to you 2hbhanders out there
     
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    That is good, because I have a one-handed BH, though sometimes I will use 2 hands in a reflexive action against deep balls which suddenly creep up on me.
     
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    Of course their 2HBH ist better, they have been praticing that shot much longer.
    To me it just sounded like you wanted to say "One hits a 2HBH because he/she has not enough skill to hit a 1HBH":
    That, I think is not true. I'm sure some 2 handers could have great 1HBH but why should they bother to change, if they feel comfortable with their 2HBH?
    Why invest all that time and expect no gain (other than mayble aesthetics)?
    Humans are creatures of habit. If they all startet playing with one hand, we probably would have more one handers.
    There might be some players, who think only one shot feel natural to them (I recall Fed saying he alwas wanted to play a 1HBH). But most probably just stick with what they startet with.
     
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  49. BreakPoint

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    You have to ask yourself why people start with a 2HBH in the first place.

    Hint: It's because they couldn't handle the 1HBH.

    BTW, kids eventually switch from a 2-handed FOREHAND to a one-handed forehand. There's no reason they can't also do that on the backhand side except that most just can't manage hitting a backhand with only one hand.
     
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    Yes, they are often overrated because many times is loved just for the nostalgic appeal instead of its pure value.

    There is no BETTER backhand, just what suits your needs.

    A 2-hander is better at doing many things at once whereas the 1HBH is much better if you need reach and are adept at volleys.

    Consistency is key in this modern era so of course the 2H-er rules.

    Because it looks so good people often forget its flaws. The 1H is quite inconsistent, even in the hands of greats such as Fed and Sampras. I know people will say that they were GOATS but they were GOATS cause of amazing forehand and serves, not BH.

    Being Romanian, one of my fav players was Pavel. He hit some sweet,sweet angled shots off his BH side, not to mention running passes. But if he would have a bad day with it, it was a really bad day. Vulnerable on return, susceptible to high balls and so on. Andrei didn't have an amazing fh or serve to back up his BH.

    Anyway, I don't know how someone can look at Safin,Nalbandian,Murray,Agassi,Davydenko BH and tell me that it's a ugly stroke since beauty is also dicussed here, at least indirectly.

    The only deficiencies for the 2H BH are short reach(fixable - see djoker's agility) and problems with low balls. But with it you have consistency,power and good returns(generally, not always).

    Let me put it this way: a mediocre 2H BH is a much more solid weapon for a average player than a mediocre 1H. Even if it isn't as flashy it isn't as likely to break down. That's why many choose the two hander in the end, even after they are strong enough to hit a 1 hander.

    I liked the analogy I saw a couple of days on TW: A 1-H is like a rapier whereas the 2-H is like a battleaxe.
     
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