Are the WTA players not strong enough for the WW forehand?

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  1. TheCheese

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    I think the reason the ATP style forehand is so rare is because the WTA style is so much easier when you're first starting. Of course, when you get better it's a much riskier shot with a less desirable outcome, but by that time most players are not going to change.

    The WTA style is just pushing through the ball while rotating at the elbow. It's very simple in concept, but very difficult to control because it takes perfect timing and positioning.

    The ATP style allows the forearm and shoulder to store elastic energy as it lags behind and then when the arm comes through it allows players to create massive amounts of racket head speed. It also allows players to simultaneously increase the amount of spin with pace, rather than trading one for the other. It's a much more forgiving stroke, gives way more control, and gives you way more options. It's just harder to learn, so not many people bother.

    And also, yes, Raonic's forehand mechanics are bad and basically WTA style. He can't get spin without trading a ton of pace, similar to roddick.
     
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    The question should be directed to a female player (who knows her body better?). But allow me to integrate an info on coaching tennis in Italy. Schiavone is not an exception, but the rule. The "lack of penetration" (your perception of) can be noticed also in men (next time watch an Italian male player).
    It is too bad that the industry of coaching has been insofar dominated by misconceptions on what a girl can and cannot do.
     
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    during the evolution process, the women's job was to pick fruits and berries and carry babies... speed is not required.

    men had to hunt.. that's why spin makes sense because they can chase down flat balls.
     
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    TCF, you picked my post prior to my correction. I have no intention to pick on any given coach (also b/c he who was named is not present. Fortunately, nowadays girls have truly a magnificent variety of choices in training and coaching, supported not by mere visual comments but bio-mechanical studies. My best wishes to your girl.
     
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    This is a great thread. As a 4.5 tournament player serve and volley, continental grip, lots of slice from both sides, old school 62 years old..i have been practicing the modern WW forehand with a semi western the last 6 months against the wall and in some matches with mixed results..When i do flatten it out ie WTA style i like it better especially on return of serve..The excessive wrist on the WW and poly strings necessary takes a toll on us seniors..It takes a strong fast whip to hit back a high hard topspin forehand.
    Another thing to address is where the player stands. Fed ,Djok, Agassi stand up on the baseline taking the ball on the rise and SNAP..
    Ferrer, Murray are back further, let the ball drop a little more.
    Here are 2 WTA forehands from Capriati and Hingis I'm now trying to copy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfi7Ht1vhpk Capriati

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCz69qhmZWc Hingis
     
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    You might try a blended string bed. I use a Luxilon Rough in the mains and Babolat Xcel in the crosses. It really softens up the string bed but you can still get the big spin.
     
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  10. dominikk1985

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    Isn't hingis more of a ww FH?
     
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    I disagree that it's all about a girl's upper body strength. Look at Roddick. He's obviously a big, strong guy but was unable to generate any significant power when going for a heavy topspin shot.

    It's really about his technique. Just like many WTA players, Roddick would have to either hit a loopy topspin shot or a much more risky and powerful flat shot.

    Look at Fed/Nadal/Djoko/Henin. When they hit hard, they can do it with pace AND spin. It's not such a clear tradeoff.
     
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    yes, there is a clear tradeoff. any ounce of energy that goes into spin doesn't go into linear velocity, even with the modern FH. You cannot beat physics. more spin = less velocity

    However it is not about strength per se but about RHS. To hit hard and spinny you simply have to generate a lot of RHS.

    there are quite a few factors for RHS:
    -technique (using the whole kinematic chain, getting separation and to a smaller degree also the micro moves of the arm we discuss here all the time
    -strength
    -leverage (long arms, height...)

    you can compensate for one with the other to some degree (see henin -although she was very strong later in her career for her size) but to hit a really heavy ball you usually need all 3 things. few women have that but some do (stosur when she has a good day for example).
     
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    +1.

    Also read about "strong grip", but with WWFH and FW grip is absolutely loose.
     
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    And you wonder why Tennis is in state we all lament..........
     
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