Are we overlooking Stosur?

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  1. bluetrain4

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    The general mood on the forums is that, due to Stosur's "Mauresmo Syndrome", she's not a factor to win the AO.

    We all know she CAN play fantastic, Slam-champion-caliber tennis, and COULD be a real threat to win.

    Is there any chance that she doesn't let the hometown crowd and media (which will only get more intense as she goes deeper) get to her?
     
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  2. kishnabe

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    She won the US Open with the syndrome......but right now she is playing crap tennis. Maybe she can play her way through!
     
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  3. bluetrain4

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    Apparently we're not overlooking Stosur. Lost first set to Cristea.
     
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  4. adamX012

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    No No No.. Op
     
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  5. 1970CRBase

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    It takes a rare personality like Connors to be able to whip up his home crowd into a frenzy, or a Pete who completely blocks everything out, or a Tsonga who wins everybody over by his cheerfulness. More usual types are Sam in AO, Mauresmo at RG, (or Li playing China open last year in a dismal first round bagel loss to Niculescu. Also to do with limp wrist syndrome after signing too many icecream and car endorsement contracts.)
     
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  6. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    well, she is out in straight sets, so if you were overlooking her you are looking pretty smart right now...
     
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  7. LetsGoRoddick

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    Lol. She lost in straights.
     
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  8. Jack Romeo

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    she might be even worse than mauresmo in dealing with home crowd pressure.

    so i guess she'll win the french open this year?... :)
     
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  9. martini1

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    Horrible... must be really got into her head.
     
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  10. nadalwon2012

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    Mentally, Stosur is just a typical WTA tennis player.
     
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    -wrong thread, deleted-
     
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  12. christo

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    actually not, her backhand is poor, if she is slicing she is wilting and she did that a lot today and paid the price. Credit the opponent for doing the homework and NOT choking!
     
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  13. Techniques

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    I think she's one of those players that takes time to hit form. She will play her best at the end of the season, not at the start. Why? She's not a natural 'tennis player. She's an athlete and she just doesn't have that natural touch to her game so it takes her a while to get into the rhythm of winning matches. It has happened pretty much all her career, she seems to struggle a bit early in the season. Added that the pressure of the home slam and you can see why she struggles. Her shot selection was poor today, Cirstea was very good though and you have to give her credit for attacking Stosur's backhand and even coming in to the net.
     
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  14. nadalwon2012

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    I said 'mentally'. I mean her inability to handle expectation. Typical of most other players on the WTA, hence very few can win consistently.
     
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  15. dominikk1985

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    the USO are not her home slam.

    I do think its hard for players in a home slam. hewitt also was never good at the AO even in his prime.

    but stosur is just playing very badly right now. I think she will be good again later in the year.

    she is a streaky player though. great FH but weak BH. she needs to hit a hot streak if she wants to win a slam. that is typical for her type of player.
     
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  16. nadalwon2012

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    This shows how great Agassi and Sampras were under pressure of the US Open. Agassi beat Stich in a US Open final in straight sets. Agassi's 2nd US Open final however was vs a fellow American Todd Martin. Still, Agassi played some of his best tennis (it was a 5-setter and Agassi NEVER lost serve). Sampras of course, won a bunch of US Opens, although 3 of them were vs Agassi. Makes it easier at your home slam when you play a countrymen.
     
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  17. joeri888

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    Also shows you how great Nadal and Federer are, winning in Basel and Barcelona, ;)
     
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  18. nadalwon2012

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    That's great.
    [​IMG]
     
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  19. soyizgood

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    Well, we got the answer, didn't we?
     
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  20. 14OuncesStrung

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    You got your stats screwed up there... Agassi beat Todd Martin in '99, which was his 3rd US Open final. Agassi beat Stitch in '94 but lost to Sampras in '90.
     
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    Cirstea, that's the girl I saw in Tennis Channel's 'Fit to Hit.'

    She was working out in Vegas under Gil Reyes.

    Well, all the work paid off beautifully.
     
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  22. nadalwon2012

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    Every tennis player in the world should try to work with Gil Reyes. He is in class of his own.
     
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  23. bluetrain4

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    We sure did.

    I laugh at the fact I started this thread. I like Sam, seems like a great person. And, she does have serious game when "on". So, I thought maybe she could put the home-crowd thing behind her and make a deep run at the AO. Clearly, I was wrong.
     
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  24. NadalAgassi

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    Even if it wasnt for the home country pressure element there are others whoses games are stronger on this surface- Kvitova, Serena, Clijsters, Azarenka. Dealing with pressure and coming through strongly she would have had an outside chance of winning the title perhaps, but no more. Last year agaisnt Kvitova she had 0 winners in the 2nd set, that sounds more like being brutally outmatched then choking. Her best chances at anymore future slams are the French and U.S Opens.

    It is similar to how Mauresmo in addition to the home country factor at Roland Garros was simply never the best clay courter either, something people overlook and foolishly act as if she should have been dominating Roland Garros or something. She was a good one, but she was definitely better on all of rebound ace, grass, carpet, and indoors than she was on clay (although there is no surface she was generally ever regarded as the best, other than briefly grass when she won Wimbledon during the Williams slump). On clay she hardly won any tier 1 type events and yet people figured she should be a lock for Roland Garros? She was never going to beat Henin there, during Henin's reign. Serena or Clijsters maybe she could have beaten there on an off day. Others like Capriati, Hingis, Kuznetsova, Pierce, Sanchez, were stronger too.
     
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  25. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Try telling that to the usual suspects trying to turn Stosur's fluke USO title into the woman being some majors master destined to win at every event.

    How they wish Stosur represented some new force in the sport...
     
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  26. MotherMarjorie

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    Mother Marjorie must give another history lesson in the sport of tennis, for those whose cognitive abilities are obviously in question:

    Tennis history does not record fluke wins in the sport of tennis. There is no such thing as a fluke win in the sport of tennis. The closest thing to a fluke win would be a walk-over because your opponent forfeited the match.

    Some questionable "fans" of tennis use the phrase "fluke win" in order to demean or undermine the accomplishments of professional tennis player. In your case, you describe Sam Stosur's win against Serena Williams at the 2012 US Open as a "fluke win" because you are a well-documented Serena Williams fan. In fact, just about anyone that defeats Serena Williams, you say was a "fluke win."

    Perhaps if Serena Williams loved tennis more, or played more often that you would understand what women's professional tennis is all about. Because the legacy she (and some of her fans) have left the sport is mediocrity and true fans of the sport demand more of their true champions.

    Know THAT.

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  27. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    ^...aaaaannnd here we are--the confused wannabe girl strikes out again (in two threads).

    Sports historians commonly cite fluke victories, as it separates the genuine history makers from those who either had a shock win, or were simply lucky to get that one title. Sports is all about distinctions in accomplishments--something even casual fans know.

    If you actually paid attention to history more than Cosmopolitan or 16 magazine, truth would have prodded you to hit the brakes in time to avoid yet another revealing post littered with would-be attempts to discuss matters far beyond your disturbed mind. Yes, we know you are now in the mode of steering clear of career distinctions (particularly after you discovered you could not sell Henin as some all-time wonder), but history takes the honest view. It is likely Stosur may never win another major, so she--like Chang or Sabatini--will be a fluke winner, and in each case, the players in question never came close to a career on par with the player each defeated. That speaks volumes about their respective talents in the grand scheme of historical assessment, and why they were only able to squeeze out a single, lucky major.

    Sad little boy.
     
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  28. pmerk34

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    No such thing as luck and no such thing as fluke GS winner. They beat who they had to beat in those 7 matches that year
     
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  29. Moose Malloy

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    she was defintely one the best claycourters in the world from '03-'06, much better on clay than Stosur on hardcourt.

    beat Capriati & Serena at Rome '03
    beat Henin at Amelia Island '04
    beat Capriati in the finals of Rome '04(& in Berlin, looks like she had the best record on clay of any player going into the French that year)
    won Rome again in '05

    her losses at Roland Garros in '04 & '05 were pretty shocking. and many were picking her to upset Serena in '03(as she had just beat her in Rome)
    She didn't do as well on clay after '05, but I can see how expectations were higher after that since she finally had a major under her belt in '06.
     
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  30. NadalAgassi

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    Beating Capriati on clay isnt really a big win considering Capriati was Mauresmo's lapdog, especialy once she had matured (eg- mid 2002 onwards). That leaves the 2003 Serena win and 2004 Henin was as her only big wins on clay.

    Her win over Serena at Rome in 2003 was after Serena led something like 6-1, 5-4, serving for it, so I dont see why anyone believed she would beat Serena at Roland Garros based on that. I thought at the time only Henin and maybe Capriati or Clijsters could threaten Serena at RG that year.
     
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  31. Tanya

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    Saying Stosur's US Open victory wasn't a fluke is like saying Myskina's French Open victory wasn't a fluke.

    They were both flukes, now lets move on.
     
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  32. jones101

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    As a Williams fan, I must say Sam deserved to win that USO final. She comprehensively beat Serena on her home turf, no fuss, no drama, just excellent, measured, composed tennis. I dont think even Serena considers that a bad loss, its probably the best match Sam played (along with Charlston Final against Zvonareva).

    Serena took it on the chin, congratulated Sam, and moved on.

    Whether she is a one slam wonder or not is irrelevant. She beat Serena fairly and comprehensively at the USO, only the 2nd person to beat her in a major final besides her sister. Fluke or not, that is some win.

    To summise, fluke or not, one slam wonder or not, Sam 100% deserved to win that USO that day. She played that good!
     
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  33. soyizgood

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    BUMP! We'll see if she can actually overcome Mauresmo/Momo Syndrome this time. So far she lost her 1st round match in Brisbane.
     
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    Goodness I saw mothermarjorie's post and thought she had returned....thank god I was mistaken :shock: phew

    But really, Stosur isnt going to win another major...CERTAINLY not in Australia.
     
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  35. NadalAgassi

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    She is not overlooked. Her career peaked in 2010-2011. Last year even when she played great tennis she still always lost (Stuttgart to Sharapova, Charleston being detroyed by Serena after her first ever win over Venus, U.S Open vs Azarenka). She also isnt ever a threat to win the Australian or Wimbledon. The 2 slams she has an outside shot for are only Roland Garros the U.S Open. Neither of the other two are good for her game. There are too many players in the draw she almost certainly cant beat if she meets as well, Sharapova, Azarenka, Kvitova, Venus, Serena who is in revenge mode everytime she sees Stosur from now on probably.
     
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  36. Bendex

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    Did you see that USO run? Holy crap was she hitting well.

    I like her because she's a mortal like the rest of us. She has good days and bad days. I like to take big swings and make a lot of errors. But some days the balls stay in and I look awesome.
     
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    I agree with the French Open. The US Open barring the last two years....she always had trouble timing the ball on the forehand. I feel like Aussie at least gives her time to hit her shot....suckt that she has so much pressure there.

    Wimbledon....the contact point is too low. US Open the balls are coming a lot faster than Aussie.....she needs lot of time to prep her shot.

    I was suprised with her US Open win and her match against Aza this year.
     
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    good poast.

    *gold star*
     
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  39. dominikk1985

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    I think she is mentally not the strongest and her BH is weak.

    she has the best FH technique on tour though. basically the only girls FH that matches the modern ATP FH pattern.
     
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  40. Rob31

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    I still can't believe Shanksur won the Us Open, well she played well in final (surprising, considering her record in finals) but Serena played badly as well, at about 60%.
    In my opinion, she's an overachiever with certain limitations in her game: weak backhand, robotic style of play, lack of plan B, bad defensive footwork and weak mental strenght are her main weaknesses.
    Her forehand is also overrated, she should make less UES with her loopy swing.
    I really don't think she will win another GS, maybe at RG if the draw is wide open eventually.
     
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    I feel so bad for her. So much struggling with herself.
     
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