Are you a critical thinker?

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Steady Eddy, Mar 20, 2011.

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Are you a critical thinker?

Poll closed Mar 30, 2011.
  1. Yes, I'm immune to propaganda and advertising.

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  2. Maybe. In some ways I am, but not often, it's too much work.

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  3. No.

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  4. I don't know. You tell me!

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  1. Steady Eddy

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    How many do we have on this board?
     
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  2. Steady Eddy

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    Mods, please move thread to odd and ends. :oops:
     
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  3. bad_call

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    lack of critical thinking on your part Eddy...j/k maybe. :)
     
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  4. Steady Eddy

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    Indeed!...
     
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    I buy everything that's endorsed by pro athletes and celebrities so that I can be just like them.
    I think Rebecca Black is the biggest phenom to hit America since Justin Bieber.
    I have a list of favorite commercials that I see on TV.
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  6. GetBetterer

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    I wonder, I wonder, how many people will ponder
    to think that they are a critical thinker
     
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  7. sureshs

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    I am the most critical thinker on the forum
     
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    The condition of my serve is critical and I think too much.
    So yes I think.
     
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  9. Steady Eddy

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    So did you vote that way?
     
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  10. sureshs

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    Just voted now.

    Remember that critical thinking means being skeptical even of the concepts you have grown up with and identify as part of yourself, not just those which you are comfortable contradicting.

    You should be willing and able to admit ambiguity wherever necessary, without insisting there is one correct solution. You should be able to see all sides of an issue, but when one is correct, you must say that too i.e., when there is no ambiguity, you should not create it.
     
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  11. pushing_wins

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    idk, am i?

    my critical list.....eddy, GB, sureshs


    non critical
    jester, balla, dozu
     
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  12. pushing_wins

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    i think the poll is flawed

    being a contrarian doesnt necessary make you a critical thinker

    advertising and propaganda is not necessarily misleading information
     
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  13. jester911

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    Oh no. Say it ain't so.

    Hahaha.
     
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    Actually, is this even possible? Aren't we all conditioned by our backgrounds, experiences, education, surroundings, IQ's, beliefs and so forth? Do we actually think we can overcome all of what makes us individuals and think totally subjectivity - maybe but I doubt it.
     
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  15. pushing_wins

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    could you please stop talking to me?

    thanks
     
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  16. sureshs

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    You mean objectively?

    We can only be as objective as our limitations allows. For example, we cannot think the way a Martian might think if it existed. But we can avoid intentionally not being critical - i.e when we know we can be objective but deliberately choose not to because it is not beneficial to us, it is not popular, etc. That is all we can do. That itself is a very great burden.
     
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  17. jester911

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    I wouldn't want to disrupt all of that critical thinking your doing.
     
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  18. pushing_wins

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    lol

    10char
     
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  19. pushing_wins

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impartiality
     
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  20. GetBetterer

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    jester911:
    you're
     
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  21. papa

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    Yes, thanks - too much time in the sun I'm afraid.

    I was thinking that within the framework of what we might deem "acceptable" or "right", our backgrounds, experiences, etc, play a significant role. How does one know they are being not being critical - wouldn't that, in itself, be dependent on our individual value system? Can we escape that value system - yes, but to what extent?

    It would seem to me that the second we open our mouths or type a word, our individual background/bias are exposed to some extent.

    I guess we can elect not to have opinions about anything and agree totally with others positions. I think suggesting/thinking we are capable of completely understanding others positions might be a stretch.

    I think I do better out on the courts.
     
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    I like this, Sureshs. Some people are so proud of having open minds that all rational thought has drained out of them.
     
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    Depends. Rackets yes clothes no haha :)
     
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    I think no one is able to really be 100% objective, everybody has an opinion and is somehow biased, even judges and umpires can't be 100% objectives on their work, mainly because they are there to interpretate the rules - this interpretation is of course based on what they know and have learned. Somebody said that wether we like it or not we are all main characters on this story no one is an spectactor.
     
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    I'm practising hard to mount a challenge for the title. Right now I'm critiquing a Bab ad.
     
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  26. papa

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    You know, even here I think we have a bias. I was a racquet testor for a major company and I used to get the comment that "this just feels a little different" or stuff like that. Some didn't care for a specific racquet because of color, how trademarks/names were applied, sound of the ball coming off the racquet and so on. They were a little "different" than what they were used to. Not everyone was this way but a sizable percentage.
     
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    Buying a racket for me the only important parts are the weight, feel and the sound i HATE tinny noises that come off frames color is cool but i couldn't care less as long as i am winning matches
     
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    the key word here is 'idk, am i'

    I'd give you a non-critical.. so a 'non-critical' scoring from a 'non-critical' scorer, double negative = positive.

    which makes me 'critical'.
     
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  30. jester911

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    Thumbs up on that.:)
     
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  31. pushing_wins

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    your butt hurts?
     
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  32. pushing_wins

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    is it possible to be a critical thinker without a post secondary education?
     
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    There many other ways to be educated. Do you think there were no critical thinkers before there were universities?

    That statement shows lack of critical thinking doesn't it?
     
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  34. pushing_wins

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    relationship between idk and non critical

    sufficient but not necessary condition
     
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  35. pushing_wins

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    an over-simplistic interpretation of my question as expected

    it really diffucult talking to you.

    what is your analytical reasoning score on the lsat?
     
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  36. jester911

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    I didn't ask it. You did. Nice edit but a little late.
     
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  37. pushing_wins

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    idk

    it is very difficult to carry on a discusion with certain indiduals. why is that?

    they tend to have a simplistic/stupid interpretation of your thoughts
     
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  38. pushing_wins

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    u have a tendency to misinterpret.

    or is it vice versa?
     
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  39. pushing_wins

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    let me ask you this


    do u think i aspire to be a pusher?
     
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    Yeah, I hear you but there is a different sound which each manufacturer. I can tell the difference between certain racquets but some are absolutely amazing about noticing the slight different between racquets - I guess your one of them.

    Up until a short time ago, men would not be caught dead with a white racquet and certain color combinations are just not considered cool. For instance, you can't get men to play with anything that has pink on it or certain selections involving purple or coral.
     
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    Yeah that is true but the people who wont play a certain racket because of a color is stupid. It is weird, even with the same rackets i feel differences which buggs me. Head rackets except the prestige and speed feel like plastic, babolats feel like trampolines, wilson (blx not k or n factor) doesn't feel for me dunlops tend to differ but my 300 tour is nice and plush and yonex also feels a bit trampoliny but more controlable. Of course this is all my opinion and there are other differences between the frames but that is the basis on the rackets i've tried. Havent gotten to any others
     
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  42. jester911

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    These interpretations only come from your words. Maybe your just not as complex as you think you are.
     
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  43. papa

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    I was trying to suggest that color is a factor when players choose racquets. I would agree with you that it might be "stupid" but color is a huge factor and very much taken into consideration in racquets and most consumer products. I have known of situations where one color would not sell but the same product given a different color, sold very well.
     
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  44. pushing_wins

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    so

    let see if you can read me properly

    do i aspire to be a pusher?

    i m guessing. u wont dare to venture an opinion. u are afraid to be proven wrong. so its a waste of time even asking.

    we need a 3rd party arbitrator to settle our dispute.

    without that. i liken arguing with you to an infinite loop. its similar to my delusional friend.

    i have another suggestion. how bout you take the lsat? we can compare our reasoning scores.

    maybe that why they dont allow just anyone into law school. people like you take up too much class time. imagine a class of jester911. it will take years just to get through the first chapter.
     
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  45. pushing_wins

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    the distance from my house to my office is 10km.

    thats objective. isnt it?
     
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    Well, to you maybe but to me, not knowing exactly how far that is in miles, I'm not sure. But, I get your point.

    However, if we asked, say 100 people from around the world, would we get that answer - maybe, I don't know. Some might suggest the distance in miles, others in time, some in blocks, who knows what answers we would get. I suppose we can all give slightly different responses and all be objective.

    Maybe how we get/travel there would also be a factor. Those who walk the distance might not be as satisfied with your answer as those that were able to drive at fairly high speeds.
     
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    Yep, that's objective. Very good example.

    Subjective would be, "the distance from my house to my office is 10km, but it feels more like 100km."
     
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  48. pushing_wins

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    come on

    we are not talking paralllel universe

    1+1=2 for all intents and purposes

    lets not split hairs
     
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  49. pushing_wins

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    thanks professor rick
     
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    I agree with papa, it may be impossible to live without some bias and assumptions. (at least I think that was his point!)

    Perhaps, it is not about living without assumptions, but rather knowing where the assumptions are. Not so much in precision, as much as knowing where imprecision can lurk.

    For example,
    This could be challenged as only an estimate, not a precise objective fact. 10km by direct line on a flat plane? Sure it wasn't really 9.93522345? Elevation difference added in via Pythagoras? Or even better, some calculus to estimate curvature of the earth involved? Or maybe it is from an odometer on the most direct roads, hard to tell. Someone from a viewpoint off the planet would have to include the planets rotation in the distance. Someone might even point out that the answer is surprisingly dependent upon the length of the ruler used; coastlines are infinitely long with a small enough ruler, in this case a ruler smaller than the texture of the road would add some distance, one larger than the curves would subtract. Maybe it came from google who completely barked it up and will correct it back to 9km next week.

    Most people in most situations don't need to consider any of these things to use the estimate, but ...
     
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