Are you man enough to call your out calls?

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  1. dlam

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    I'm not sure of the exact rules but if you can clearly see your ball out but the opponent plays it as though it is in then you can over rule and give the opponent the point
    Here's what happen
    During the rally the Opponent hits a cross court to the corner on the deuce side
    It was well struck and I chasing to the corner and was able to hit ball back over the net onto the court
    I was running fast and ball was really close to the line but I was so intent on getting to the ball I didn't see the line clearly
    It happen to fast that after I hit the ball I though it was out but only maybe so I dont say anything
    The ball lands in his side and he has an easy put away to my ad side as I was out of position
    I still say nothing and I assume he gonna take the point then he asks me as I gather the loose ball
    Him "was that ball in the corner good?"
    Me "I wasn't watching the line so busy trying to get the ball back"
    Me "If I'm sure then the ball is good I guess"
    Him "yea"
    Now I expecting him to say "no that ball was long your point"
    Wishful thinking in my part
    I think I'll played only a handful of guys who would actually make a call against himself
    Now I'm pissed cause I would have preferred if he stay quiet and take the point rather than asking me
    I m rather decisive in making my calls but I can be wrong and if you feel you feel you saw your ball go out then call it when I say im not sure
    Do you really want me to say it was definitely in?
     
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  2. ATP100

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    Worry about your side of the court only, problem solved.
     
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  3. schmke

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    If I don't clearly see a ball out on my side of the court, I can't make a call and it is in. You can't call a ball out if you "think" it might have been out but you couldn't tell for sure.

    Now, if your opponent has a clear look at the ball and you don't for whatever reason (they hit down the line and have clear view while you are on opposite side of court, you dive for a ball fall down and don't see the ball land, etc.) you can ask your opponent what they saw and they are on the honor system to tell you the truth, but ultimately it is still your call to make and if you didn't see the ball out and they don't tell you it was clearly out, the ball is in.

    Personally, if my opponent is unsighted or doesn't have a clear look, I'm not going to volunteer that a ball was out unless it is very clearly so and I know they didn't have a look and are unable to make the correct call.
     
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  4. gmatheis

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    I think the first two responses missed the point. OP is asking who here is honest enough to call their own shots out even when the opponent played the ball.

    Here's my take , I will almost never call my own shot long as it's fairly hard to see the baseline on your opponent's court accurately. I will however call my shots out on the sidelines (or the center line when serving) if I am certain that it was out. If I think it was close, and my opponent played the ball, I keep playing as well.

    By my understanding of the rules this is how you are supposed to play. If you know your shot was out you call it as such but if you are uncertain don't.
     
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  5. v-verb

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    Yes I call them as I see them. I don't cheat or steal points.

    If there is any doubt with the ball on my side of the court, my opponent gets the point
     
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  6. dcdoorknob

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    If I'm very sure my ball is out, but my opponent just doesn't call it, I'll volunteer that information. I need to be really sure though, and the situation doesn't come up that often because for me to be really sure, it's pretty much got to be obvious to my opponent(s) too, unless something out of the ordinary was going on, like they just didn't even have their head turned the right direction. If I just think 'hey that was probably out' but they don't call it, well it's their call and I could be wrong so I just don't worry about it and keep playing (or take the point if they don't get it back).

    Also think getting upset at something like this (the opponent saying something about a close ball but then accepting your call) is kinda silly and not at all productive, you should probably work on not letting trivial things like that get to you. It's not even that uncommon, but I never expect the opponent to actually overrule me and call their own ball out, as they have no obligation whatsoever to do so, it isn't their call. Just say something like 'I wasn't sure so I called it in' and move on to the next point.
     
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  7. floridatennisdude

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    When the guy hit the put away, that was him saying either

    1- my opponent just played it so its in -or-
    2- that sucker didn't see that ball out

    I would stop without hittin my next shot if I knew I missed. But, I play on if I can't tell from the far court.
     
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  8. gmatheis

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    Actually, they do have an obligation to do so.

    13. Player calls own shots out. With the exception of the first serve, a player should call out the player’s own shots if the player clearly sees the ball out regardless of whether requested to do so by an opponent. The prime objective in making calls is accuracy. All players should cooperate to attain this objective.
     
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  9. mikeler

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    Good for you. I do the same. If I know my shot was out, I call it out. Be a man and play with honor.


    "The prime objective in making calls is accuracy". Remind your opponents of this next time they say "It's your call" when you ask them how they saw it.
     
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  10. tamdoankc

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    I agree with this. It's easy for me to call my ball wide if I'm looking down the line and the opponent doesn't have a clear view.

     
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  11. mmk

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    The only exception I make to this is on my first serve, (if the opponent plays it as in, and gets his return across) as there have been numerous posts here by people who know the rules, and a server can't call his first serve out. I'd rather lose a match than be unfair.
     
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  12. dcdoorknob

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    If they saw it clearly, then sure. But as the other player you have no way of knowing if they saw it clearly out, or just thought it may have been out. If they just thought it may have been out, they of course are under no obligation to call it out. Good luck proving that they saw it clearly when you didn't even see it clearly.
     
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  13. TomT

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    I agree with all the posters who said that if you believe your ball was out, then you call it out. Baselines and service lines on the opposite side are impossible to call consistently correctly. But regarding sidelines, you can probably make the call as well as your opponent. Bottom line, be honest and call them as you see them. This minimizes second guessing, gains the respect of your opponents, and makes for a much more fun and fulfilling tennis experience
     
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  14. sureshs

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    It happens on DTL shots when the hitter may have better visibility than the opponent. I have called my own shots out in such cases. But a real man would not do so.
     
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    :smile: :)
     
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    If I hit DTL and it misses, I call it out, especially if my opponent looks over at me with a questioning look.
     
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  17. stapletonj

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    Overly Manly Man says:

    it is a question of

    a. Do you KNOW it was out. Did you clearly see it land OUT, no doubt in your mind?. IF so, call it out (except the 1st serve exception) No "hey let's play a let". No "didnt you think my ball was out?" Just say, "I saw my ball clearly out, your point" and walk to the next duece/ad court

    b. If you are 99% sure it was out, but your opponent played it as in, then do not insult him and his judgement by second guesing his call. Let it go and let the game play on. Otherwise it turns into a "Chip and Dale" cartoon. "after you, No absolutely not, after YOU. I wouldn't think of it, after YOU, I absolutely insist, after YOU"
     
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    I was playing a league match, and I was up match point in a tie break. My opponent hit a ball that landed pretty close to the side line. I played it, not certain it was out, but he stopped the point, came to the net and shook hands. So yes, there are honest people out there!
     
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  20. IA-SteveB

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    I think people should just fight when there are incidents. Problem solved and you don't have to spend time posting about it.

    Now, I am totally kidding, so don't get bent out of shape. :) I just find it funny how there is so much drama in tennis for pretty much no reason. Lots of weirdos play the sport.
     
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  21. dlam

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    Interesting responses.
    I created the thread because I find it difficult to be a linesman and a tennis player at the same time.
    When I "give up" on the ball, (generally when Im out of position) and can do nothing but watch the ball lands then my calls have the best judgement.
    When I am running full out to well struck ball landing close to the line on my side of the court I tend to concentrate more on getting the ball back and my line calls are not as accurate so consequently when I ball in within a foot of the line I tend not to be sure if it truely was in and play it.
    DONT BE ASKING ME IT THE BALL WAS IN IF I WAS TOO FRIGGIN BUSY CHASING THE BALL
    if I stop chasing the ball and I am look directly at where the ball is landing then you can friggin ask me, got it?
     
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  22. gmatheis

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    Just played a friendly match yesterday. Hit a passing shot down the line that missed by less than an inch. Guy just looked at me with a questioning look and I'm pretty sure he would have given me the point but I just pointed my finger to the side to say it was out.

    I didn't earn it, I don't want it.
     
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    There was an old guy I was once playing who was both too forgiving and generous, and secondly, could not see that well. I think there were at least two occasions where I hit down the line shots and the ball landed couple of inches outside the line, yet he still attempted to get them, so I had to call them out. On both occasion I got a 'thank you' nod as well. And there was one occasion where he hit a second serve on the line and assumed it was out before I could call it, and already started walking to the other side. :)
     
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  24. g4driver

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    If I ever think I am getting hooked, instead of asking "are you sure?", I remain quite and calm and just play on.

    When an opponent hits a ball I am 99.9% sure it is out (like close to my body behind the baseline) but I can't say for certain, I say "nice shot" .

    Once your opponent realizes you play fairly, I would guess 95% of my opponents start making better calls. I sure can't see the baseline from behind the baseline, but I seem to get a lot of balls called good thatI think I hit long.

    Being a gentleman on the court, tends to bring out that quality in the opponent in my experience. Yes, there are exceptions. Thankfully they are rare.
     
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  25. Maui19

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    What's with the "be a man" crap? How about we just show good character, male or female, young or old.

    FWIW, hard shots hit at my feet are extremely difficult to call. Unless my partner calls it out, I just play it.

    If I see one of my shots clearly wide (there's no way I can call a ball on the opposite baseline) and my opponent doesn't call/see it, I concede the point. I would hope that everyone does this, and in my experience, most do.
     
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  26. dlam

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    I think the other times I let the ball go and just watch it is when I'm at the net and I don't volley or smash on purpose as I'm sure the ball will be out
    Or if the lob is too good I can't reach it
    I usually am able to turn my head around to see the ball and line clearly
     
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