As a Rafa fan..I have to admit..

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  1. tusharlovesrafa

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    that if he retires today I won't regret nor be surprised at anything.He has achieved way more than I could ever dream off.When he 1st started watching him,he was basically a dirt baller trying to adjust to the other surfaces.I only wanted him to win 1 wimbly,just wanted him to beat fed once there,and that lucky break came in 2008 wimbly.
    I never thought that one day he could 11 slams,it's way more than i could ever think off.He's beaten everyone and has won nearly everything that's there to win(he lacks WTF and Paris)..He owned the best player of his era aka Federer.

    So all in all I am pretty satisfied.I am sure that Rafa is more than satisfied with his performance.:)
     
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  2. BorisBeckerFan

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    I'm not a Rafa fan but he hasn't won as much as I thought he would. I fully expect him to have a few more healthy seasons along with some slams, not just RG. Expect to see him end up with 14 to 15 slams. I also expect Fed to get to 19 before he's done. These guys aren't done.
     
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    Really? I think he has overachieved for the amount of game/talent he has.
     
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  4. BorisBeckerFan

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    How so? Talent was always there. Considered a tennis prodigy at age 16. Hugely talented. Easily second most talented after Fed in this era. But anyways I'm not going to defend Nadal as he's not my cup of tea.
     
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  5. kalyan4fedever

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    nah he is just a lucky guy who happened to be a left hander and just aimed at the federers backhand till it broke, he always does that against single handed backhanders.
     
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    Could always see the talent just didn't think his body would hold up long enough for him to reach the top tier of tennis history. He's done that, and then some.
     
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  7. BorisBeckerFan

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    He can only play Fed once a tournament. He had to beat a host of other people to win slams.
     
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  8. Clarky21

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    Then how come Fed doesn't have the same trouble with any other lefty's but Nadal? IIRC,Nadal is the only lefty that Fed has a losing record against.
     
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    yeah but that is how the game is played. You find your opponent's weaknesses and exploit them. You made it sound like Nadal does something that other players don't do.
     
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    LOL.so what did you expect from him? Winning 20 GS??
     
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    I thought he would be at 12 maybe 13 as of now and Fed to be at 18 already. I certainly wasn't expecting Novak to get 3 last year.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHA no.

    You are confusing success and talent my friend.

    Nalbandian and Gasquet are both more talented than him. BUT talent is a vague thing I guess.
     
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    Rafa definitely overachieved given his talents/limitations, but am sure he is going to win more slams. Not 17 or thereabouts, but definitely around 14.
     
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  14. BorisBeckerFan

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    Possibly you are confused?

    tal·ent   [tal-uhnt]
    noun
    1. a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
    2. a capacity for achievement or success; ability: young men of talent.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/talent

    How could you be successful with out the capacity for it which by definition is part what makes up talent?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/talent
     
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  15. OverratedIvanovic

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    Meh, I will just be happy if he can win 1-2 non clay slams more but I guess he needs Federer in those finals to win.
     
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    Rafa is fortunate to have fans who have low expectations of him, whose dreams are very practical and achievable, for whom anything he achieves is way beyond what they thought, and who can't count beyond 10 (only count with your fingers, right) :D :D

    Poor Federer, his fans will count with their own fingers then their toes and then with someone else's fingers if they have to. No number of slams is good enough for them. If he wins 16 they want 19, if he reaches 19 then it's "only 21". Then he still has that weeks record to cross. Oh wait, we aren't done yet, what about YE #1.

    hehe, j/k tushy.
     
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    Spot on analysis senti...I wish we had more fed fans like you on this board.:D
     
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  18. RAFA2005RG

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    I'm probably the best Rafa fan on the internet and I would be surprised if Rafa retired in 3 years, let alone this year. Why? Because he keeps mentioning the Rio Olympics as the big deal. Also, Rafa right now is saying he won't play unless he is 100%. That will continue to be the attitude if this rest period works. But if he doesn't return to 100% I bet he won't retire. I bet he will play in pain for a long time rather than retiring. He knows the titles he can win when he's in pain, and that is most of the slams he's already won (he won them in pain, not when he was 100%).
     
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    I don't think he's done yet. He might have time out to sort his body but I think he will return with hunger.
     
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    If that happened, Rafa could be well satisfied with himself. Since if Fed on that or even 17 is damn near impossible to catch, going past Sampras into second would be great for him. Those two as the top 1-2 has a good ring to it to me. Fed said some things that made me think he might want to wind it down after the US open, but I hope he doesn't.
     
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    I honestly think Rafa would have a more impressive resume than Federer if he wasn't constantly plagued with injuries.
     
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  22. West Coast Ace

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    I'm sure when word gets to him he will be relieved he lived up to your expectations and doesn't have to continue playing for your approval. That's probably been a tough burden for him to carry.
     
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    I am very happy with his career as well.

    why I would not like to see him retire now is the field is not so deep.

    While I was very happy to see murray win the USO this year... it felt odd without Rafa.

    Love or hate the guy he's always a variable at the big events (no matter what surface) and no one was really stepping in to fill his shoes.

    Hope to see him back on court soon.
     
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    He wouldn't be plagued with injuries if he didn't have to catch up to Roger all those years.
     
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  25. Mike Sams

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    Well Rafa's only won 2 Slams in 2 years and both were clay. So he was not the favorite to win anything off clay anyway. Anything he can win off clay takes a herculean effort and a seriously easy draw.
     
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  26. TennisCJC

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    I agree - his game is still limited to me. For example, if Rafa played right handed with the same game, I don't he would have ever won a fast court slam. His serve is saved by the fact he is left handed otherwise it is of a quality outside the top 30 in the world. His ground game is perfect for clay but still lacking for fast courts - even recently, he resorts to playing 10-15 feet behind the baseline and retrieving with loopy strokes.

    I admire his mental toughness but have never been a fan of his style.

    He also benefited enormously from changes in technology and court speed - polyester strings enhanced his style of play while making the serve less of a weapon and making the courts slower with higher bounces also helped him tremendously. For example, he has looked pretty mediocre on indoor hard courts for most of his career and he plays his best on slow outdoor hard courts like Australian Open (AO plays more like clay than any hard court tourney).
     
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  27. TennisCJC

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    Rafa knew the type of game he was cultivating would be hard on the body and he stuck with it.
     
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    Don't know about that. How many non-clay Slams has Nadal racked up in his 10 years on the tour? Or was he only injured during non-clay Slams throughout those 10 years? :lol:
     
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    He doesn't have anywhere near the talent to win any other way. :lol: You use what works for you. That's how it is. It just so happens that Djokovic can do it better than Nadal. The only weapon Nadal has that bothers Djokovic is on clay with the high topspin forehand which goes up to Djokovic's shoulder on the backhand side. On a damp low bouncing surface, it's not as much of a problem which is why Nadal has struggled against Djokovic in Madrid or rainy conditions (3rd set of RG this year).
     
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    Nadal is still trying to play catch up. He probably figured Federer would've been toast by now and yet still, Federer captured Wimbledon and took back the #1 ranking. Nobody really saw that coming. Federer once again widens the gap. It's obvious Nadal has zero chance of taking Federer's record of most weeks at #1. But Nadal has the record for most weeks at #2 which isn't too bad. Although with Djokovic and Murray now at their peaks, getting back the #1 or winning non-clay Slams won't get any easier. Especially with Nadal's aging body.
     
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  31. RF20Lennon

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    When talent doesn't work hard hard work beats talent

    Which is why rafa is way more succesful than nalbandian or gasquet
     
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    Yep,Nadal doesn't have the talent of Nalby to be able to put away a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts in one sitting,or snort coke at a nightclub and then blame it on the Pamela phantom after he gets caught with it in his system. Think of what he could have achieved if he had those talents to fall back on. Lol.
     
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    You can work as hard as you like but if you don't have talent, it won't get you very far. Just ask Ferrer. Not that Ferrer has no talent, just not quite enough to trouble the top guys. But nobody works harder than him on a tennis court!

    Nadal is a hard worker who obviously has the added ingredient of talent to carry him as far as he has got. No amount of hard work alone could have done that for him.
     
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  34. PSNELKE

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    Calling Nadal an overachiever.. now this should get you banned.
     
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    Why? What's wrong with saying he has overachieved for the amount of ability he has?
     
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    Would a right handed version of Nadal give Federer so much trouble? That would mean heavy topspin going to Federer's forehand on clay. Probably not as troubling I gather.
     
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  37. Mike Sams

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    Nadal has talent but if we're being honest here, Nadal doesn't play traditional tennis. He plays a style which likely no other player has ever played before or will ever play again. Nobody strikes the ball the way he does. Basically Nadal could never teach tennis. :lol:
     
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    Rafa isn't done. Yet. He will continue to play and slowly slip down the rankings, until he slips out of the top 10/top 20 and decides retiring is the best option.
     
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    Please! Nalbandian and Gasquet are two of the most overrated players on the planet. You can't compare their level of talent to Nadal's! Love Nadal or hate him, he is talented and a hard worker. You can't win multiple slams without being both.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  41. CMM

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    What? .....
     
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  42. Sabratha

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    Some of the most talented players never win a slam.
     
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  43. Mike Sams

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    Return serve, cover the court and play defense...all better than Nadal.
     
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  44. CMM

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    That is debatable. But at least we know that Rafa is better at winning Slams.
     
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    Really? Who? That is a fallacy. The most talented players do win slams.
     
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    That is untrue.
     
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  47. Mike Sams

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    It's not debatable. Everybody knows Djokovic is faster than Nadal and has a much better return of serve along with a much stronger backhand. And Djokovic is far superior on hardcourts as their head to head proves along with a much higher count of hardcourt Masters titles won.
    Nadal is the king of clay. That's where it ends. How many hardcourt Masters has Nadal won since 2009 Indian Wells?
     
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    Nadal has a much better forehand than Djokovic does and Djokovic at his best is not faster than Nadal at his best, what are you smoking?
     
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    It's Mike Shams so what do you expect? He's a know nothing troll who does nothing but stink up this forum. He found himself on my ignore list a long time ago because of his bs.
     
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  50. CMM

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    You make it sound as if that's something small and irrelevant. Djokovic isn't the king of anything. :)
    And the king of clay has won Slams on hard and grass. Plus a gold medal.
    Who cares?
     
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