Ashaway 100% Zyex monofilament

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  1. fgs

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    played today for the first time with the tighter strung mgzx mains / mcs crosses (both at 22kg, ~48lbs) - spin is about the same, power is almost the same too but control was much better. the stringbed does not feel very different from the one that has been strung on april 27th and has logged some 6hrs in the mean time, i mean in terms of touch.

    of course the first one strung at 21kg has surely lost quite some tension in the mean time too, while this one just had it's stabilization loss, but nevertheless, there is a considerable increase in control. i feel that i get into mpp-territory.

    notching starts getting more pronounced on the "old" one too, i'm about 1/3 through on the intersections. it took quite a while until it started, but now it seems to be speeding up. stringmovement is also more pronounced.

    with the tighter one i "feel" like i can hit out properly and still control the ball - that "polyesque" feeling, while with the softer one this is currently impossible. nevertheless, i think that in order to get to a comparable level of control with the mgzx i would need to up the tension by another kg. getting thus around 50lbs (23kg).

    the other option would obviously be switching to a slightly stiffer and low powered cross.

    this zyex stuff is a forgiving unforgiving string for me so far - while i don't get punished on offcentershots and there is still enough juice on them to bail me out, whenever i want to accelerate in order to put my opponent under pressure and i'm not set up perfectly, the ball just sails (not by a wide margin, but out is out, end of story, end of point). with clay courts which can be a little bit bumpy and some wind makeing proper set-up difficult, the experience can sometimes not be fun.
     
  2. TimothyO

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    That seems to be a common refrain with this string.

    While hitting with a friend casually last night and helping her drill for her upcoming doubles playoffs I put my ZX frame back in my bag in frustration.

    She doesn't hit with much pace and when I tried generating my own with the ZX-strung frame I couldn't find any consistency. Went back to my frame strung with gut/pre-stretched poly and all was right with the world again.

    Forget the technical issues. Hitting with ZX just wasn't a confidence inspiring experience. I couldn't trust the results stroke-to-stroke.
     
  3. Torres

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    If the ball is flying, tension is almost certainly too low for the racquet/player and/or they're not hitting the ball with sufficient top spin. Full bed ZX is not going to be as forgiving of more wild strokes than a low powered poly would be. 52lbs CP in my 6.1 95/18x20 and balls flew over the place. But 54lbs CP was good, and 55lbs CP might even have been better. Even with an optimum tension, you do work the racquet harder to close to the top spin generated by a low spin poly. As mentioned previously, there seems to be narrow window for optimum tension.
     
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  4. TimothyO

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    55/53 in a Pure Storm GT with SW 322. And the ZX was pre-stretched.

    When I bought my PSGTs they came with full VS Touch natural gut (NOT pre-stretched) at 57/55 from TW and I didn't have that issue even when I modded it to SW 322. So my SW is lower than your frame and I pre-stretched.

    A couple of pounds might make a difference but not that much and the ZX was pre-stretched while the VS was not. I got for more consistent spin from full natural gut than from ZX.

    I'm just not getting a consistent hitting experience with ZX compared to my favorite setup or even past experience with full multi or full poly. Please note too it's not that EVERY ball flew long. Some did, some didn't, and I could never feel or understand why. I don't have that experience with gut/poly, full poly, or full multi. So far ZX is definitely unique and my hitting experience with it has been uniquely inconsistent compared to other setups.

    Another potential issue is the nature of the material itself and whatever manufacturing processes involved. I can't imagine that Ashaway is the first company to try monofilament nylon. Maybe other companies have experimented with monofilament nylon and found it wanting while Ashaway decided to have a go at marketing it. Maybe it really is just a bad idea that other companies rejected. It just doesn't make sense that ONLY Ashaway management thought, "Hey, let's test a monofilament nylon!" while the rest of the industry never tried it. That's simply not plausible.
     
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    timothyo, torres,

    from my perspective it is not that i don't get a consistent hitting experience with the mgzx, even with my first hybrid i strung at 21kg (46lbs) which definitely is too low. so:

    1. i am of the opinion that if played in the mains, the mgzx should be strung at least 10% higher than usual poly, maybe 5-8% higher than soft polys (thinking of genesis twisted razor or polyfibre black venom rough with which i've played).

    2. i think it would mate better with a medium stiff but also low powered cross. obviously the mcs, which is low powered but very soft, does not do such a good job at "taming" the power of the mgzx. could also be that if strung higher than i did, the mcs would be doing a good job, but it will take some time until i revisit this combo, which i will definitely do.

    3. my "trouble" with the balls flying on me is in my opinion strictly related to myself - whenever i do not properly connect with the ball, the ball is off. that means that i have a much narrower window than with poly in the mains for instance. it's not the spin, of which i do really get plenty, it's the trajectory of the ball i'm fighting with. i still get good spin but the ball on a slightly late hit launches off and goes wide or long by a rather narrow margin, but as stated earlier, out is out and the point is over. i feel that this mgzx is like a magnifying glass for even slight imprecisions. i'm pretty sure that if i would have gone higher with the tension this problem could have been avoided. at medium pace i seldom have this problem, it's the higher paced incoming balls that give me this issues and of course the balls i want to accelerate and put away, but then again, it is a matter of proper positioning and footwork which in the end generates the faulty shot.

    nevertheless, besides the fact that i have a huge inventory of polys to play through which will most probably keep me busy for the coming two years, from my perspective the mgzx is a top string which i will most likely not play simply for the fact that it is too expensive. although it seems to provide for greater durability, almost double of that of poly (the mpp has gone slightly below 5 hitting hours recently while on my first mgzx i'm most likely to log some 9 hitting hours) it is still too expensive from my point of view.
     
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    So what?

    It's never going to have the control and low power of full bed poly, but you can't conclude that the string causes balls to fly everywhere when you haven't at least tried a higher tension.
     
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    The frame I'm using for the test is 98" / 16 x 20 with a lower SW than your frame listed above. The ZX was pre-stretched at 55/53.

    I could try this string at a higher tension at which point you described it as "boardy".

    So what's the point? Why use a string that must be strung higher which would only reduce comfort and spin below what it offers even now?

    I just don't see this as a competitive product given both better (eg gut/poly)and, in many cases, cheaper alternatives (eg full poly or full multi). It doesn't offer a compelling advantage over other products. Being "different" isn't good enough. Piano wire would be "different" but not useful too.
     
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    I think you're being too analytical in terms of numbers and not taking into account real world factors. Numbers are a guide for the wise and rules for fools. I string this as high if not higher in a lower SW 95/18x20, than I do in a higher SW 96/16x20 when you'd thinki the opposite should be true. Just the nature of the racquet(s). Just because it may feel a little bit boardy to me at 56 CP in my stick, doesn't mean its going to feel the same in your (different) stick.
     
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    Common misconception! Monogut ZX is not made form Nylon or Polyester. It is made from PEEK - a completely different material with characteristics all its own.

    The benefit of PEEK over Nylon is that it stretches even more than Nylon and returns to its natural state much better than Nylon when stretched. This allows the string to return more power to the ball and the string-bed to maintain tension much longer.

    The benefit of PEEK over poly is that it is much more powerful and easier on the arm.

    There are many players for whom these benefits are appealing. Especially those willing to learn to harness the power of Monogut Zx or find the proper hybrid set-up for their game.

    We have seen every possible response to this string you can think of. Part of that is simply because every tennis player is different. A big part of it is also because this string is so unique.
     
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    Julian,

    Is it safe to assume you are monitoring the MonoGut playtest thread? :)
     
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    Yes. I have been watching it with interest. A perfect example of the wide range of responses to the string.

    I was glad to see you received your string. It will be interesting to see what someone with so much play testing experience makes of this one.
     
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    It is a very intriguing material. After I cut my half sets, each half set fell to the floor and coiled up perfectly without any tangling like a poly. Then it stretches more than most multis on the stringing machine. I'm just glad TW sent me the 1.27 MM because I don't think the 1.22 MM would last long for me. I liked Ashaway Dynamite 16 but it did not last very long. Hopefully I can get a few good sets out of it.
     
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    Dynamite 16 is a very playable string. The Nylon jacket that provides playability unfortunately also separates from the PEEK core. PEEK is very chemical resistant and the bond just doesn't hold up to a tennis game with a lot of spin. You won't have that problem with the monofilament. I will leave it at that for now so as not to taint your opinion before you test the string. Let's discuss after you test!
     
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    That certainly explains the level of power I'm experiencing with this string.

    It may also explain why one fellow I know enjoys ZX. He's a retired gentleman and prefers lighter racquets and powerful strings. He uses ZX at a mere 50 pounds. He said explicitly that he prefers to swing slower and shorter given his age and ZX provides that comfort and power.

    At the other end of the spectrum are my sons, ages 11 and 13. They both hit hard with lots of spin. Neither enjoyed ZX as much.

    Julian...what's the highest tension you've tried ZX and still enjoyed it? Have you tried a hybrid with gut mains?
     
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    I think you are pushing the upper limits of tension for ZX at 58, 59, maybe 60 lbs. If you are looking to mute the response, you may like it at these tensions. For additional muted response, pre-stretch.

    I have not tried it as a hybrid with gut mains. This would definitely be a powerful combination and a way of decreasing your cost vs a full bed of gut or extending the life vs gut/poly. The potential drawback is, like the full bed, is it simply too lively.

    Using it as a cross with poly mains helps to mute the power of the ZX and provide more spin-potential. Unfortunately, with this combo, you may be wasting the longevity of the ZX tension by limiting the life to the tension maintenance of the poly.

    There have been some excellent reports about using Kevlar mains with ZX crosses. The friction between the Kevlar and the ZX allows the ZX to provide better spin than it does in a full bed and reportedly the playability lasts because unlike using a poly cross, the ZX cross maintains tension. Also, the Kevlar mutes the excessive power of the ZX.
     
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    I can't remember but what's the kevlar main string that tjam was using and at what cp/lo tension? I wouldn't mind seeing if there's something that will last longer without being arm jangling.
     
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    I believe he used Ashaway Kevlar 18. Can't remember the tension.

    Have you ever tried Ashaway Kevlar Plus? It is Kevlar braided with PTFE (like Teflon). This slippery material braided in with the Kevlar acts like a lubricant and softens the way the Kevlar string plays. It is 17 ga and plenty durable. With a ZX cross this could be pretty nice on the arm.
     
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    i'm through with my first set of mgzx mains which lasted for almost 9 hitting hours. this is a feat considering that for instance gamma poly-z 1.25 lasted slightly less than 3hrs and my go-to poly, the mantis power poly,. also 1.25, lasted slightly less than 5.

    in spite of some "negative" comments regarding control, this string basically is in the top 5 in my book. i'll break it down:
    power - this is clearly a 10/10, there is so much more available than with poly mains (best poly in my book gets an 8 ). there is also a very good response on offcenter-hits that does practically bail me out when i'm on the run - i can rely on a deep shot when i'm streched out.

    control - this is the issue i had with the string but i am more than certain that it is related to the lowish tensions i have strung it (first set at 21kg-46lbs, second set at 22kg-48lbs). i should have gone most probably up to 24kg for my game. this string is "unforgiving" at these lower tensions - if you don't set up properly and make good contact, the ball just flies due to the high powered nature of the string. so, it's more player related than string related in my opinion. i should have gone higher and it is also possible that the mgzx would have mated better with a stiffer cross than the mcs.
    as i hit in the upper part of the stringbed (6th cross top down) i am more than reluctant to try co-poly crosses, as it would stiffen up the stringbed too much, not only for my liking but also for my shoulder.
    so, as of now, this chapter is closed with a 7/10, but i see ways of improving this at least by one point if not even two. i doubt though that i would get the same level of control as with poly mains.

    feel - this is for me an undisputable 10/10. coming from the "old school" and having started out my tennis journey with woodies and nattygut, i haven't found any string to play so "sweet" as the mgzx. we are talking monofilaments here, so not to get things mixed up - there are some sweet playing multis out there, but they'd last me less than half an hour, so that is not an option.

    spin - contrary to some other fellowposters here i simply can't complain about spin. it is not at the levels i got with the genesis twisted razor for instance but absolutely on par with the mpp or even the 1.20 kirschbaum competition. some shaped polys have been above the level i got from the mgzx, but once the shape started to wear out they have come down pretty steeply, while the mgzx, as well as the other round ones named, just keep the level until they break. so, to conclude this matter, spin is 9/10.

    comfort and tension maintenance are undisputed 10/10. regarding tension maintenance i just want to note that i had the impression that the stabilisation loss (24hrs after stringing) is somewhat bigger than with some good polys, but it is about the same as the polyfibre black venom rough for instance, so this has to be taken into account when chosing the right tension.

    durability is also impressive as stated above.

    i forgot to mention that i have played the natural coloured one, in 1.27mm. i understood that there are differences to the red one which is slightly stiffer than the natural one.
     
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    Thanks.

    Obviously I'm pretty wary about the stiffness of kevlar, but with Kevlar Plus is the core big kevlar strands and the outer wrap thinner kevlar strands coated in PTFE, or some other other combination? (see diagram in link below). Also what are the black strands in the diagram?

    http://www.ashawayusa.com/KevlarPlusStringArt.png

    Is there any chance your could send me a PM to let me know what your email address is? I tried to PM but you've opted not to receive any PMs. I have a question I'd like to ask about Ashaway strings...Thanks.
     
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  20. travlerajm

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    Been using the Ashaway 18g Kevlar lately. One thing to keep in mind if you try to substitute 18g kevlar for a poly is the weight difference. A half-bed of 17g poly weighs ~8g, while a half-bed of 18g kevlar only weighs about 5g (since it's braided and porous with a lot of air between the fibers). This makes a significant enough difference in the swingweight of your racquet that it will alter the swing dynamics noticeably. You might consider weighing the racquet before and after, and then replacing the difference with lead tape at 3 and 9 to make it more of an apples to apples comparison (I like to do this when switching to a new string).

    I think kevlar gets a bad reputation because it's so much lighter than other strings that your racquet has less mass in the head to protect your arm from the impact.
     
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    Thanks for the info. The weight wouldn't be a problem, its the stiffness which scares the bejezus out of me....

    According to RSI, stiffness is as follows:-

    Big Hitter Blue Rough 16 = 247 (string is actually pretty comfortable)
    Genesis Black Magic 17 = 252 (comfortable until it goes dead)
    Ashaway Kevlar 18 / 1.08mm = 671

    The kevlar string is obviously off the scale in terms of stiffness. Soft/medium stiffness polys I'm fine with but stiff polys like 4G or Revenge is arm shredding for me, so I'm very wary of kevlar even though I would like to find something that gives me more than the 5-8 hours that I typically get with my normal poly strings. I might just have to try a set in the mains with ZX crosses and see what happens. Problem is that they don't sell Kevlar 18 or Kevlar Plus in sets where I am (only reels) so I'm not even sure where to get this stuff from.....
     
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    torres,

    i happened to play last summer with a pre-packaged hybrid called polyfibre thinergy for a german tennis magazin test. of course, the sets were initially unmarked and we only were informed what we have played after the magazine was published. the polyfibre thinergy comes with a 1.10mm kevlar multi as a main and a 1.25 syngut as a cross.

    i had two sets to go through and interestingly, in spite of the stiffness i assume the mains had, i did not feel any discomfort, in spite of having a rather sensitive shoulder. playability was in my opinion subpar, but that could also have been a matter of the crosses. i also had a combo consisting of the solinco tour bite 1.20 with 1.30 vanquish which was just slightly better, but the tour bite itself, taken with another cross is very close to the top of the strings i like for instance. the real surprise for me was that i went through both sets in less than 4 hitting hours each, which got me thinking afterwards about the "durability" of kevlar.

    on the other hand, i would not dare play kevlar in thicker gauges, maybe 1.15, but definitely not thicker. maybe one day i'll experiment with something like this, but for the time being i do have a huge inventory to shred.
     
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    I'm wary of Kevlar too. If I played with massive sticks like Trav, I wouldn't be, but at about 335 effective swingweight, I just don't think I bring enough mass to the collision. I would like to try Kevlar/ZX, though, as I think the extremely low stiffness of the ZX would offset the Kevlar quite a bit, especially if strung low. But I want to try gut/ZX first.
     
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    Kevlar is not as stiff as the RSI numbers would make you believe. I used Prince Pro Blend for years in my early 30s.
     
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    One of the interesting things in the TW Professor's 1st paper on "Going Dead," was his explanation of the relationship between longitudinal stiffness (how far the string stretches lengthwise during an impact) and perpendicular stiffness (how far it deflects). He showed that even though polys are stiffer longitudinally than nylon strings, which we all know from looking at the RSI stiffness numbers, that some copolys actually deflect more during impact than the synguts (partly because they lose more tension, of course). The point of including this in that paper was to show that as copolys lose tension during play they start to deflect much more than when new, and consequently dwell time is greatly increased, which tends to lead to spraying balls and hitting long - part of "going dead."

    But he also writes this:

    "Perpendicular stiffness is always much less than longitudinal stiffness — 20-35 lb/in and 130-300 lb/in, respectively. Though longitudinal stiffness is the primary property, perpendicular stiffness is what the player and the ball feel on impact.

    We know that Kevlar also loses a lot of tension until it settles in. This loss isn't as noticeable because Kevlar is so bloody stiff to begin with, but I wonder if the perpendicular stiffness is lower, and the deflection and dwell time of a Kevlar string greater, than we would expect just by looking at the longitudinal (RSI) stiffness numbers. TWU had one Kevlar string in their String Performance Database previously, but it's not in there now for some reason. If it were we could check the deflection and dwell time numbers and compare then against some polys. This might help explain your observation, Mikeler, that "Kevlar is not as stiff as the RSI numbers would make you believe."
     
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    the 1,10mm kevlar i played felt stiffer than the solinco revolution 1.25, which, just feelwise, is the stiffest string i've played so far amongst the polys.
    just that with the syngut it came along there was no snapback at all, actually it was worse than a fullbed of syngut at lowish tensions. i'm rather immune to stringmovement as such, but that combo was starting to annoy me.
     
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    Another thing with Pro Blend was that around the 15 hour mark, I'd start playing much worse.
     
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    Kevlar is a strange animal in that while it is super stiff, it is also used by some manufacturers as shock absorbers in products such as shoe insoles, racquet/club/bat grips, helmet inserts, etc.

    Perhaps a very low tension might bring out more of this shock-absorbing capacity and negate the bad effects of high stiffness?
     
  29. travlerajm

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    I never noticed this in my Problend days. I liked it best right before it finally snapped. Of course I strung it pretty tight. 78 lbs in my Profile 2.7 OS, and then 70 lbs in my Prostaff 4.7 OS.
     
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    Another couple of data points:

    I hit against my brother yesterday, and let him hit a few with my frames. He didn't really play tennis growing up, but he's an exceptional athlete. I'd rate him a 3.5 (he's played one tournament in his life, a 3.0 singles event, and he won it).

    About the diablo with full bed ZX: "This is terrible! Can't stand the sound. How can anyone play with this string!" He was referring to the loud metallic clang sound that is unique to full bed ZX. Guess he would need a damper.

    About the Blade with kevlar/ZX; "WOW! I can't believe how much control I have. It feels like it makes me a better tennis player automatically!"

    Interestingly, he didn't notice the heavy weight of my frames. When I mentioned that he seemed to really like the weighting on my Blade, he asked: "was it lighter?". I told him, "no it's much heavier than yours."
     
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    Travlerajm,

    I think you need to post a new thread on your study of weight, SW, etc.

    There are lots of interesting bits spread throughout those threads that would benefit from a tidy consolidation. Probably deserves a sticky or maybe a "living PDF" document that you post somewhere for download.
     
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    Probably a good idea. In my mind, I've been saving it for a book. But that would be a bigger effort.
     
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    Whatever you do now, please write the book at some point.
     
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    I'm sure you can understand we don't want to give out too much information about exactly how we make our strings. I will tell you that the black strands in the picture are PTFE.

    Kevlar plus does play a little softer that other Kevlar strings because of its unique construction. The Ashaway Kevlar strings are available in sets at TW as Crossfire II/ 17/ 18/ Plus packaged with Ashaway syn-gut.

    Unfortunately I can't send PM's or give my e-mail address in this forum.
     
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    78 pounds! Wow.
     
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    I realize he is a 5.0 and thus better than me but 78 lbs....ouch
     
  37. travlerajm

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    The Profile 2.7 OS is a unique racquet - it's the only racquet engineered to be stiff enough that the racquet's vibration frequency is fast enough that the racquet recoils at the same speed as the stringbed. The result is that you can't really feel the impact - it feels like a pillow even at high tensions. You barely notice the impact. I had to string it tight to control the depth on groundstrokes.

    My wife (a 3.0?) is currently using my last Profile 2.7 racquet, since she has a sensitive elbow and a vulnerable continental fh, and the Profile felt most comfortable of all the racquets of mine that she tried. It's not strung with Problend now, but it's strung with SS/OGSM at 70 lbs.

    It seems counterintuitive that the stiffest racquet ever made is the most arm-friendly racquet ever made, but it is.
     
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    I agree. I think publishing your findings would increase the chance of a racket company taking interest.
     
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    What's up with ZX Pro, again?
    Gauge 17 must be even better as a cross?
    Sorry if it's been asked before...
     
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    Monogut ZX Pro is a 17 gauge version of the ZX. It has increased playability without much of a drop off in durability. It should make a good cross.
     
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    What would you be using as your main?
     
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    Sounds good! Now, where do I buy it? :)
    Mains - natural gut mostly, or synthetic gut sometimes
     
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    Can't go wrong with natural gut mains. Syn-gut will work too. The only potential draw-back to syn-gut is that one of the key benefiets of ZX, tension maintenance of the string bed, becomes limited to the tension maintenance of the syn-gut.
     
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    Forten Sweet 16 is quite sturdy in that regard, I will try it out soon with MonoGut ZX 16

    Question remains, will ZX Pro be available from TW in the forseeable future?
     
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    I don't understand why you suggest that 1.22 has increased playability. What increased playability exactly are you suggesting that it has?

    The reviews of 1.22 don't seem as positive as the 1.27. Although I've only played with 1.27, the 1.27 is already pretty powerful and lively enough. I can't see how going down a gauge is going to improve things, particularly when the string will narrow even more during stringing due to the amount it stretches.
     
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    I mentioned it in the playtest thread, but with your experience and mine. I'm thinking the 1.27 is the way to go. Fantastic string.
     
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    As with any string, when you decrease diameter you sacrifice durability for playability. The 17 gauge Monogut ZX Pro has better spin potential.
     
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    Not necessarily. Not in real world terms anyway. There comes a point where thinning the gauge reduces playability because of the resulting increase in power, increased springiness from the stringbed, the subsequent reduction in control etc.

    Most people for example, probably wouldn't be choosing a 1.18 gauge X1-Biphase over a 1.24 gauge. With Tourna Big Hitter Blue, I prefer the greater control offered by the 16 over the liveliness (sometimes wildness) offered by the 17. I don't see why it would be different for ZX.

    For what is already a lively powerful string, the last thing I would want to be doing is reducing the amount of control by thinning the gauge. It's possible that that may be offset by increasing the tension, but I think we would need some playtest feedback from people as to how 1.22 for example plays at say 60lbs before coming to a conclusion.

    Probably, no doubt due to decreased friction, but again the benefits of increased spin are likely to be oughtweighed by increased springiness, reduced control etc.
     
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    Good points! I should not have been so absolute in my declaration. I was equating spin potential to playability and of course there are other aspects to playability.
    Since MZX is such a lively string, sticking with the 16 gauge is probably a good choice for a lot of players. Some players do enjoy the increased spin potential of the 17 gauge. We have even experimented with 18 and 19 gauges and some players have raved about their ability to work the ball with those strings. It all depends on your game and what you are looking for.

    There is no doubt that MZX is on the extreme end of the power - control spectrum. The benefits of the string are power, arm friendliness, and the ability of the string bed to maintain tension. To take advantage of these benefits, you need to find the best way to bring some control into the equation in the context of your game. If the increase in spin does not outweigh the extra liveliness you may get in the thinner gauge then sticking with the 16 gauge version is probably your best opportunity to tame the strings power.
     
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    Julian, would it be possible for Ashaway to extrude a rectangular-cross-section version of Monogut ZX?
     

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