Ashaway 100% Zyex monofilament

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  1. SJSA

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    I have played with ZX (natural), ZX Pro (natural), and ZX Pro (Red). It seems red one has more soft feel than natural one.
     
  2. moonballs

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    I saw a few mention zx/poly hybrid. Can it come close to gut/poly?
     
  3. Torres

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    It's plays pretty well and performance lasts a good time.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7490036&postcount=942
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7526645&postcount=1040
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7592638&postcount=1234
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7616476&postcount=1282

    I've had it in for 2 months now and I'm going to take out the used ZX crosses and restring them back into the racquet to see whether its tension loss that's affect or loss of elasticity. All in the name of science ;-)
     
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  4. moonballs

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    ^thanks. What about the experience on ZX/poly and poly/ZX?
     
  5. Torres

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    1. I didn't like it - see previous post somewhere in this thread
    2. That played well (for as long as the poly lasted)
     
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  6. moonballs

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    Thanks again Torres. I found your post on ZX main/poly cross, just not sure it was the main finding. You described the poly cross kind of dominated how the hybrid played.

    I guess I am still wondering why the ZX/poly hybrid is not a good replicate for the more expensive gut/poly. I will probably try it myself. Next time I will try syn gut main on poly first as I have both at hand.
     
  7. corners

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    It might be because, although ZX is similar in flexibility (low stiffness) to natural gut, it returns much less energy. So it would tend to snap back more slowly and with less energy. If either of those things happened, spin would not be as good and rebound angle would be higher and more variable.

    It might also have to do with surface characteristics (i.e. slipperiness). On paper, ZX has a low-friction surface, but the way it interacts with a copoly cross might not be that great in the realworld.

    But by all means go ahead and try it. Because of the lower energy return of ZX as compared to gut I would think it would perform better at slightly higher tension than you would do with gut/copoly.
     
  8. Ramon

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    I've been experimenting with different ZX/Multi combinations. Right now I prefer the ZX/Multi hybrids to full bed ZX. Maybe some of it is just the familiar feel. For some reason, I can swing with more confidence with these hybrids, and the pocketing effect I alluded to earlier with ZX/Hexy seems to apply to other ZX/Multi hybrids. My current favorite is still ZX/Hexy, but the more I play with ZX/PPA the more I like it. ZX/RIP Control actually played better than I expected, and it makes it hard for me to decide on the combination I like best. These are just first impressions, but so far they all look good.
     
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    What tensions have you been using for the ZX/Multi?

    Keep us updated on which combo plays a certain way...
     
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    I varied them according to tension retention and stiffness. I usually string my multis at 50-54 Constant Pull depending on the weather. I recommend adding 6-8 pounds to my numbers if you want a comparable stiffness with a lockout machine. ZX/Hexy was 54/54 CP. Hexy loses significant initial tension and probably causes a tension differential. ZX/PPA was 54/52 CP. PPA holds tension better than Hexy and ZX. ZX/RIP Control was 54/50 CP. RIP Control holds tension the best out of all of them and is also the stiffest. So that was my reasoning. I might go lower when the weather gets cooler. First impressions, all good. ZX/Multi is the way I'm going right now. Multi seems to make the response more predictable and the spin is still there. I would encourage anyone to try this with their favorite multi. Whatever tension you prefer for your multi will probably work for the ZX. All my strings are 16 gauge.
     
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    I am playing with full bed monogut. To me it feels like an arm friendly poly. I can generate pretty amazing spin. I think that this is going to be my string going forward, as I have trained with it more and more I have realized that it seem sto compliment my game and play style. The one down side is that it does not seem to lend itself to precise serve placement. Maybe I will figure that out in time as well.
     
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    Ashaway Monogut ZX Pro (1.22mm)(Red)
    Wilson BLX Juice Pro (96/16x20) @ 56lbs CP


    I played with the thinner 1.22 gauge as a full bed last night for the first time (all my previous tests have been of the 1.27 version)

    I don't see what the issue is and why there has been mixed feedback on the thinner gauge. Seems to play fine to me based on a couple of hours of doubles straight after it had been strung up. In my view, it remains the premium cross string to use with a good poly main if you want to add power and comfort to the string bed.

    I can only think that people have been stringing up the 1.22 at too low a tension, or in a larger headed / open pattern stick, or both. I'm stringing it relatively high (56lbs for the 1.22 v 53lbs for the 1.27), on a CP machine and in a relatively dense 96/16x20 stick.

    More comments to follow but on initial impressions it doesn't seem wildly different to the 1.27mm other than feeling like a slightly thinner gauge.
     
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  13. Torres

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    ZX Pro at low tensions (or when its lost to much tension) is absolutely dire. Inspires no confidence at all... :-(
     
  14. Ronaldo

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    How long did it take to lose tension?
     
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    Started out at 56lbs CP, played a couple of hours of dubs immediately after stringing. Played 2 sets of singles, the day after. String played very well on both occasions despite sounding like empty tin cans when striking the ball.

    On the 3rd outing, stringbed seemed a bit too powerful and lacking in control.

    On the 4th outing (this evening and 10th day after stringing), it was awful. Felt like the stringbed wasn't firm enough and it was hard getting consistency from it. The power just seemed to overwhelm any spin that the strings could generate and the ball was a lot more unpredictable off the stringbed. Absolutely didn't inspire confidence at all. The final nail in the coffin was that hard to feel the ball on the strings and the stringbed generally felt very muted.

    ZX Pro definitely needs to be strung high and I mean high or needs a prestretch, or better still, a poly main in there to bring consistency and control. It seems to drop tension faster than the 16g ZX.
     
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    Also played with Babolat BT7 gut / ZX16 in a 18x20 6.1 @ 56/54lbs CP. Wasn't impressed with this setup. Felt muted and somewhat lacking in control and predictability off the stringbed. Complete opposite of Wilson Nat Gut / Alu Rough (which was absolutely sublime in this stick).
     
  17. Ronaldo

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    Wow, strung ZX Pro on 8/16, played at least 16 hrs with little noticeable drop in tension. Prestretched the mains at least 10 and crosses 20 seconds. Would still use it but just strung up Tier One Firewire, used it ~5 hrs.
     
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    ^ Maybe it wa because I didn't pre-stretch or use slow pulls? Strung straight from the packet at 100% pull speeds. Still seems strange though that it dropped tension so much compared to the ZX16 in the same stick.
     
  19. Ronaldo

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    With so many comments about the stretchy nature of this string, decided to string at a lower tension, 54#, and really prestretch the crosses.
     
  20. Michael Lesbowicz

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    Currently I have a full bed of Ashaway MonoGut ZX Pro (natural)
    in my Yonex VCORE Xi 100, strung at 22 kg / 21 kg [48.5 lbs / 46 lbs],
    no pre-stretching, and it is the best string I have ever played with.
    It gives me all the power, control and comfort I could wish for.
    Feels much more lively than any nylon multifilament or polyester
    monofilament string I have ever used.

    Next time I will try Pacific Tough Gut mains and Ashaway MonoGut ZX Pro cross.
     
  21. moonballs

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    ^^^Your tension seems much lower than the typical playtesters' mid 50s. What's your usual tension? Thanks.
     
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    Was it lock out/CP?

    I'm holding on to my set for when SoCal fall hits. Will hit with side by side with TB Soft. Not sure what racquet to put it in.
    Redondo MP, DC London, or a couple others...
     
  23. Torres

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    Putting ZX in as a cross just transforms a dead stringbed.

    Strung up a Cyclone 16 / Volkl Synth Gut 16 hybrid at 52/54 CP the other day. First time I've tried that combination in a 96/16x20. Couldn't believe how dead it felt and how little spin and power it had.

    So decided to just take out the synth gut crosses and put in some ZX16 at 54lbs.

    The difference is like night and day. Suddenly the stringbed comes alive with power, spin, crispness, liveliness etc. Not sure whether it was the gear shaped Cyclone 'gripping' into the synth gut which made them unhappy bedfellows but ZX just seems to significantly liven up any stringbed. Great when fresh off the stringer.
     
  24. PBODY99

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    I agree. ZX rebounds better & resist the poly cutting into it better than any other string I have tried.
     
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    Almost the same thing happened with me. First couple days of hitting the string feels very nice and then it just looses tension and plays too powerfully, almost to the point where you have very little control.
     
  26. julianashaway

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    Did you pre-stretch?
     
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    Same thing happened here on a full bed. Prestretched by hand & then held my pull on my Star3 for 10 seconds before clamping. Played pretty close to my gut poly hybrid the first 2-3 times but since then, it's lost most of the control.
     
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    Really...? Zyex marketing calling for you to thank you.
     
  29. julianashaway

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    What was the tension?
     
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    Julian, I strung it up on my PSTGT at 55/54.
     
  31. julianashaway

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    That seems like a reasonable tension. We are talking about a full bed of the 17 gauge, right?
     
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    Sounds like yet another case of the 17g underperforming versus its big brother. :wink:
     
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    No pre-stretch. Also strung it at 52lbs. It's like a trampoline now.
     
  34. PaulMan

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    Yes, the 17 gauge in natural color.
     
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    I think you need to be closer to 60 pounds with this string with a prestretch.
     
  36. julianashaway

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    Some players have reported the power is more difficult to tame on the 17 gauge. Chemically the 16 gauge and 17 gauge are identical. The 17 gauge is simply extruded with a smaller diameter. The gauge itself has to be responsible for the decrease in control. Maybe some of you string junkies can explain this better than I can. Has anyone had a similar experience with other strings simply by dropping from 16 to 17 gauge? Maybe not necessarily a decrease in control, but an amplification of any string properties?

    We do sell just as much 17 gauge as we do 16 gauge, so there are definitely players out there who like the thinner string. The main benefit over the 16 gauge should be an increase in spin potential.

    In this particular case, to get the benefits of ZX I would suggest trying the 16 gauge. Or, if you absolutely need the spin, try the 17 gauge up close to 60 lbs or in a hybrid with a control string.
     
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    You beat me to it, Mikeler!

    Try what he said, or, perhaps the 16 gauge with a pre-stretch around 56lb.
     
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    Julian,

    My experience with 17g versus 16g in multis [yes, I have a little experience with a few of them :)] is that the 17g versions usually feel "springy" even when tensioned at 60 pounds. That is not always the case but most of the time that has been my experience. Since gauges can span over a few millimeters, my guess is that the few 17g strings I have not experienced that with were on the thicker side of 17g but I have not scientific data to back this up.

    With regards to spin, I have not noticed much of a difference between 16g and 17g. I use 17g polyester strings but that is because I don't break poly. I could probably go down to 18g but of course poly is a completely different type of material from a stretchy multi or Monogut ZX.

    How about a penta shaped version of Monogut ZX just in time for Xmas? :)
     
  39. julianashaway

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    Most likely the next MZX product offerings will be packaged hybrids rather than a shaped version.
     
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    Will both strings be Zyex?
     
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    You mean like Dynamite mains with MZX crosses? That is a possibility. Could also be some hybrid offerings with our Kevlar and poly strings as well.
     
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    MZX mains with Dynamite crosses sounds like something I might try. I've been trying MZX mains with multifilament crosses and I like the results so far. They seem to stabilize the string bed and result in better control. The soft multis like Dunlop Hexy Fiber seem to work best. The stiff ones seem to take over and diminish the good properties of MZX.
     
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    I definitely use a lot of spin when I play, so the thinner gauges tend to give me what I need. The MZX 17 gave me great spin so I'm hoping if I try the 16, it will be similar or just a lil less spin while retaining the tension and control longer...
     
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    I can only tell it as it is.
     
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    My experience is that the shaped strings provide more spin. It might be a way to coax more people away from polys to Monogut ZX. Then again, it might be a horrible move but since it is not my money, I thought I'd ask. :)
     
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    gauge or rather mass directly affects (keeping discussion simple).
     
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    Would like to see a shaped version of ZX just to see how it plays.

    Would also be interested in a firmer version. Given its high comfort levels already, a bit of extra firmness shouldn't be detrimental. Also given the cost of PEEK mixing it with something else might have cost benefits.
     
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    Your a marketing depts dream customer. Its all in your head. It doesn't give you more pace and spin.
     
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    I can't be a marketing department's dream customer because I don't take tennis marketing remotely seriously - the only reason I tried it was because corners suggested it. Having tried multiple versions at multiple tensions in a variety of different racquets, I think ZX is a great addition to the string market and kudos to Ashaway for producing and bringing to market such a unique string, made from a (very) expensive material that's neither polyester nor nylon. No phoney fake Cortex going here - PEEK is genuinely a unique material.

    And BTW, its you're not your.
     
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    PEEK is definitely very unique. I've used it since the 80's Prince Thunderblend days & still have a small reel of the Klipper Zyex version. This mono version Ashaway came out with is definitely interesting & a major improvement.
     
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