Ashaway 100% Zyex monofilament

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  1. junior74

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    It's a difficult string to hybrid with, as it saws through everything, even poly. I thought it was pretty good with Babolat N.vy in cross (better than TNT2 in my opinion). But the best for me was ZYEX cross with poly main. The string is history for me, though, despite the incredible comfort. I just couldn't dial in with it. Too powerful, too "strange". I thought it only had one level; full on.
     
  2. graycrait

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    With kevlar you can play months later and the string bed is pretty much the same. Like an old friend you can pick up where you left off.

    People are getting 20+hours on kev/zx beds.


    I have a 27yr old former DII player who has me string his ancient Head Ti Radical MP's at 62/60 Kevlar x ZX Pro. He was telling me Weds nite that he can't believe how long and how well that set-up plays for him and lasts and lasts. I have no clue as to the life of ZX. I have only one racket strung as a full bed ZX, which I lent that 107" racket along with 5 other rackets to a 70 yr old 3.0 player who was wanting to try something different. I strung that one up sort of tight because I wanted to tame the power of a full bed of ZX in a racket that has a 59 flex rating with the oversize head. I didn't like that setup but for this guy it might be magic.
     
  3. drak

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    I usually restring my Gosen syn crosses at least once, amazing how long these ZX mains last and play well
     
  4. Chas

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    JFYI ...

    OK, mostly out of curiosity, I tried this with Gamma Syn Gut 16 in the cross and Monogut ZX 16 in the main, both at 52.

    To be honest it seemed to rob the bed of most of its Spin potential and some of its power. The SynGut is sticker than the ZX so the mains don't slide and the SynGut is also less notch proof so the crosses are starting to notch. Both of which I think stop the mains moving (and hence snapping back). Whatever the mechanics of it, the effect is reduced spin and power - so not for me.

    On the plus side it does get rid of the "pingy" noise of full bed ZX (which I've got used to now) and it does look pretty cool - but I'll be going back to full bed Monogut ZX when I can afford to cut this one out.
     
  5. Ramon

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    I tried Gamma Synthetic Gut 15L w/wearguard. I was not impressed. It seemed to be higher friction than Marathon or TNT2. It also frayed like a multi and broke in about 3-5 hours. I normally get about 10 hours with TNT2 16g, and Marathon will last even longer.

    I do agree that full bed ZX plays great, but I like the TNT2 hybrid because it has better playability duration and I play just as well with it.
     
  6. corners

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    Yeah, nylon crosses (syngut or multi) are pretty much no-go if you want the main strings to slide and snapback. I think nylon strings are best in a full bed - a simple option if spin and durability are not high priorities.

    On the other hand, an esteemed former connoisseur of multis on this board, Mikeler, concluded that ZX full bed is better than any multi.

    I actually am of the opinion that hybrid setups are grossly overused these days. Back when polys were all super stiff, it made some sense to use a syngut cross with them. (Although the syngut cross locked up up the stringed, robbing much of the spin potential.) But nowadays, with hard, slippery but much more flexible (less stiff) 3rd and 4th gen polys on the market, I have no idea why people continue to hybrid with syngut. Even the stiff polys (Alu, Tourbite, etc.), strung at 40 pounds or less, play much better and are just as comfy as a stiff poly/syngut hybrid.

    Just my two cents.
     
  7. Ramon

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    I can name a very common situation where full bed ZX is a definite no-go and ZX/syngut is a possibility - extreme open pattern frames. On my Prince Tour 98 ESP, a full bed would last about a set while ZX/Marathon would last over 10 hours. I would challenge any string breaker using a 16x16 or 16x15 frame to make the comparison.
     
  8. travlerajm

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    I agree about using syn gut crosses on frames with really open patterns.

    My favorite setup on my O3 Red, which has about the most extreme open pattern you can buy, is kevlar mains and nylon crosses. Same thing with my TT Warrior MP, also an extremely open pattern. When I use poly crosses, I need to string it so tight that it kills the power. And if I don't string super tight, the tension drops fast and the racquet quickly becomes a sprayer.

    But with kevlar/syn gut on these open pattern frames, if I string nice and tight, the kevlar still seems to be able to snapback, even after it wears the nylon down into a flattened ribbon shape in the sweet spot.
     
  9. ChicagoJack

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    1. I continue to be mystified why folks are using Zx M's with Nylon X's.

    2. Full beds of Zx? Yeah that works. Kevlar/Zx? Kevlar's not my cup of tea, but makes sense. Gut/Zx? that's actually current set up after having tried several dozen Gut/poly hybrids over the last 5 years or so. Link Here.

    3. Up until the arrival of Zx, slippery always meant stiff, leaving the arm sensitive spin seekers with some not very good options. With Zx, we finally have a string which is as slippery as poly, but roughly 1.5 - 3 times less stiff. Link Here . In my opinion, it is the perfect cross. See point 4.

    4. Poly M's paired Nylon X's are amongst the highest friction string beds of any hybrids. Conversely, Gut M's paired with Poly X's is the lowest friction hybrid, Link Here . Which indicates that slippery string is probably better in the crosses, not the mains, if one seeks to maximize spin /movement of the mains.

    5. Additionally, I will snap most nylon crosses in 12 hours or less, and some in just a few hours. I get forty or more very good hours out of Gut/poly or Gut/Zx.

    6. Not being argumentative, just legitimately curious.
     
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  10. torpantennis

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    ChicagoJack, how do you think poly mains, ZX crosses should work theoretically? Put 4G in the mains, so tension maintenance is not a problem?
     
  11. Shroud

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    Yep it's a perfect cross!!! I liked it with gut but I shredded the gut too fast and now use Kevlar.

    I can't get my head wrapped around a cross that doesn't allow SnapBack.

    And it's in bad TT etiquette to have links to back up your points :)
     
  12. Ramon

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    I came upon ZX/nylon by accident. I tried gut/ZX and didn't like it, so I needed some kind of hybrid combo to give my half set of ZX another shot, so I used my favorite nylon cross at the time, Hexy Fiber, and liked it. I liked full bed ZX too. For a while I went with both full bed and hybrids depending on my mood, but then I switched to an ESP racquet.

    Full bed ZX just doesn't work on an extreme open pattern frame. The crosses abuse the mains, and the mains break too quickly. Not only do the crosses saw through the mains, I think there's some kind of impact effect (that sound means something I think) while nylon provides a bit of cushioning. I also break nylon crosses in 12 hours or less, but I'm happy with 10 hours when a full bed gives me only 1-2 hours on an open pattern frame.

    The difference in durability and playability duration versus full bed is much less with an normal pattern frame, but I think the combination with Gamma TNT2 crosses is slippery enough that I don't miss full bed. I don't even have to straighten the strings much during a match, which is a good sign the friction is fairly low. A year ago, I would have said that the full bed plays better for the first 3 hours, but now that I'm used to the way my hybrid plays, I'm not so sure about that. I'll take 10 hours of consistent play versus a setup that declines after 3-5. Bottom line is, I played with full bed and I played with my different hybrids, and the hybrid I have now wins for me.
     
  13. drak

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    I am with you Ramon, I really like the ZX mains/syngut crosses. I get plenty of spin, nice power/control combo and great comfort and don't have to adjust the strings at all. In addition the ZX mains durability is excellent and I can restring the crosses at least once as the mains simply do not notch, and the crosses last at least 15-20 hours for me in my fairly open Kennex qtour 295 16X18. I've used endless strings and combos over the DECADES but this is one of my favs for playability/comfort/cost.
     
  14. Sofl

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    I've been considering ZX for several months. I just found this thread and spent the last two days plowing through 76 pages of posts.

    Two Q's: !. I'm a very senior citizen and my power has declined. Because of TE I recently switched to a 105 in.
    Volkl 4. What tensions should I use with pure bed of 16g Red ZX And what would be appropriate in a ZX/syngut hybrid?
     
  15. Ramon

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    High 50's. Start at 58 and go from there. Read the thread on stringing ZX because it's important that it be stretched completely before clamping. Otherwise, you'll lose too much tension. Same tension for mains and crosses. My favorite syngut is Gamma TNT2. I think Drak uses Gosen Sheep Micro, which is cheaper and I have yet to try it.
     
  16. Sofl

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    Ramon,
    Thank you for your prompt response. I'll start ZX at 58 in full bed or hybrid. I'm not clear on the the TNT2. Normally I would start it at 53. Do I start it at 53 or 58?

    Thanks in advance for your help.
     
  17. Ramon

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    Same tension for mains and crosses works for me, so 58. However, that's not a hard rule. If you like to experiment go ahead.
     
  18. Sofl

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    A Question for Julian
    I've been interested in ZX for several months. I just found this thread and plowed through some 1500 posts. I decided my next string job would ZX/TNT2 at 58 m&x. I planned to wait 'til the new PK's came out. I was going to order this from TW. I find TW doesn't stretch ZX. Unlike most of the folks on this thread I don't string for myself. Do I get TW to string it higher and wait a good while or stick with x-one string? What do us non stringers do?
    My thanks in advance (hope you're still following this thread.)
     
  19. eelhc

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    Can't recommend a tension before you answer...

    • What is your present stringbed setup?
    • What kind of a machine was it strung on (lockout, dropweight, electronic constant pull...)?
    • pre-stretch?
    • How do you find it (comfort, playability...)?

    58lbs on a lockout is not the same as 58lbs on a dropweight...
     
  20. Sofl

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    See preceeding post.
     
  21. Ramon

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    He gave some useful information in a previous post.

    You do have a good point about lockout vs dropweight. I did recommend that he read the thread on stringing techniques for ZX. The most important thing is that you take up all the slack before you clamp. On a dropweight, that means letting it sit until it no longer stretches. I probably give it a good 30 seconds myself. On a lockout it could mean cranking it slowly and doing double or triple pulls the way Irvin described in his video about getting dropweight tension on a lockout machine.
     
  22. julianashaway

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    Sofl, good question.

    Let me first applaud your diligence in researching the product before jumping in! Reading all 1500 posts is impressive.

    I believe there is a difference between stretching first and then stringing versus simply stringing at a higher tension. When you pre-stretch, you essentially put the string under tension and then allow it to relax before stringing it under tension. This allows much of the initial tension loss of MZX to take place before it is strung. Without the pre-stretch, all of the initial tension loss happens in the racquet while still under tension. The difference between these two is a different feeling and different responding bed, regardless of whether you start at a higher tension.

    Some players prefer the pre-stretch and some do not. The only way to find out for sure that upstretched MZX is not for you is to try it. I believe the pros of the pre-stretch are minimized in a hybrid set-up. I do not know exactly how TW installs MZX, however, I have complete confidence in TW's ability to install your hybrid. They have plenty of experience with the product.

    Let me ask you a few questions. What string set-up do you usually use? What improvement are you looking for by switching to MZX hybrid?... and have you ever been inclined to stretch any other strings before using them?
     
  23. eelhc

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    This is why I think absolute tension is irrelevant (in most cases) and one must take tension recommendations given over the internet as a ball park reference.

    What's important is consistency/relative tension. Having the same person string on the same machine using the same technique each and every time keeping the tension setting as the ONLY variable is more important. If one doesn't have a stringing machine, it's best to go to the same stringer every time (as long as the stringer is capable).
     
  24. Ramon

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    I know exactly what you mean. The reason I bought my own stringer is the inconsistency I've seen from different string jobs. I used Racquetune as a reference and found the difference to be as much as 20 pounds in some cases!

    I calibrate my own drop weight stringer to make sure I know what I'm getting and check my work with RacqetTune. I make the assumption that I should quote tension based on accurate string jobs. I realize it's bad to assume that everyone gets accurate string jobs, especially because I think I end up with tighter strings than most people who quote the same tension, but in the past I've quoted lockout vs constant pull and warned about differences in string jobs, but all it seemed to do was confuse people.
     
  25. Sofl

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    Julian
    I usually use a premium multi at 50#.Currentlu X-1 Biphase.
    I want, in order of importance: 1.Arm friendly. 2. Power 3.Spin.
    Multi's give me 1&2. Sounded like ZX would add 3.
    I've never used stretched string, to my knowledge. Remember, I just drop the racquet off and specify brand and tension.
     
  26. Ronaldo

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    Anyone have unusual breaks from shanks after pre-stretching ZX?
     
  27. drak

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    not so far, I don't pre-stretch but I do double pull and then let it pull for 7-10 seconds on my constant pull stringer
     
  28. Shroud

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    Never. Never had zx break at all. Its the only combo I recall where the Kevlar mains broke first.

    I have used all colors with red probably being used the most or maybe black.
     
  29. julianashaway

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    I believe the ZX hybrid will give you 1,2, and 3. I don't think there is any harm in trying the hybrid with not stretched ZX.

    If you try it, report back here. Interested to hear how it goes!
     
  30. junior74

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    I have had Zyex in my racquets four times and four times it has broken on shank/ mishit. But it lasted a long time in all set-ups. 15-20 hours. And playability stayed the same all the way from the initial 20 minute break-in.
    But unusual; no.
     
  31. The Middle Hand

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    For those who have played with the 1.27mm version extensively either as a full bed or as a poly / ZX hybrid, what are the tension loss characteristics of this string?

    I strung up some Pacific Polyforce 1.24mm / ZX 1.27mm hybrid the other day at 56/58 and it was fantastic straight off the stringer. The poly was nice and firm, the ZX was adding a good dollop of power but the poly was keeping everything controlled.

    Played with the same setup today and it felt like the poly had lost tension (which is to be expected) was less firm and the stringbed overall was noticeably more powerful and not as controlled.

    Going to up the tension of the poly but not sure if I should also up the tension of the ZX as well?

    I'm thinking of 58/60 or 58/58?
     
  32. ls206

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    I had ZX break a few times on shanks. Stopped using it because of that.
    (Happened on different racquets and the grommets were in good condition too)
     
  33. downunder

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    I find that the red zx breaks on shanks more than the natural colored zx. Stopped using red for that reason.
     
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    Red is 17 gauge, natural is 16?
     
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    if that worked it might be the ultimate poor man's Fed setup.

    How about "practical man's Fred setup."
     
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    Anybody notice a difference btwn Zx Red and Zx Black? I've watched the supply of my usual Zx Red in both diameters dwindle slowly over past few months. Meanwhile, we are chock full o' the Black version.
     
  37. Shroud

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    Hey Jack,

    I just bought 10 packs of red at the sale price!

    I have used black and the regular. The regular is the least fave.

    Honestly I havent looked for any playing differences in a scientific way. I just like the red because it looks good with my 6. 1 paint job :)
     
  38. comeback

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    i've only used ZXPro red 17 since i bought a 720ft reel..The ashaway rep told me the red 17 gives the most spin..I have yet to break it in a main or a cross
     
  39. ChicagoJack

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    Doh. You beat me to it. At least my fears of a global paradigm shift in the distribution of Zx Red have been quashed, cuz apparently you have temporarily cornered the market. I'll order up some of the Black and resume fretting over what other goodies I can or cant get a hold of.
     
  40. Shroud

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    Nice!!! I think I went to buy a reel and all they had was black. IIRC you called the factory directly.

    I havent EVER broke ZX. The kevlar breaks before the zx.

    Gut zx is awesome with a differential. I just shredded the gut really quick. But man you got that going in a 105 spin racket. Nice.

    720ft OMG would last me YEARS!!! What amazes me is that the Kev/zx can just be so good for soooo long.
     
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    ^^ I love the 18x16 pattern in my 98s, but my next Tinker / Mc Franken Racquet will be a steam 105s.
     
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    Good luck CJ. I'd have to add 70g to the 105s. It would be a beast I think, but man I would lose control.

    I am not a 4.5 like you!!! Just a computer rated 4.0 who loves to hit out.

    I NEED the 18x20 patterns which may be hard to fathom for you...
     
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    I'm lucky i got the last of the red then..my 720 reel should last me at least 6-8 years for as often as i need to restring..I had to add some weight to the 105s with a shock shield grip and a little at the top to make it around 329 grams .But i think i finally found the combination (spin and power) i need for my game..I heard the 105 s will also be discontinued.
     
  44. scotus

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    I have tried Gut-ZX hybrid in a spin racquet once and found that gut-poly lasts about 3 times as long.

    Spin was good, but not quite as much as gut-poly. Perhaps it was a fluke, but the way the gut mains got shredded was disappointing.
     
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    I rank them this way:

    Durability: Natural > Black > Red

    Spin: Black, Red > Natural

    Playability Duration: Natural > Black, Red

    Red is too brittle for me. I've broken it several times while stringing and had a few occasions where it broke prematurely while playing. I currently switch between Natural and Black. If I used ZX as a cross string on a normal pattern racquet, I'm guessing the durability would be a non-issue.
     
  46. racket king

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    Interesting string.

    I've been trying this over the last couple of weeks as a cross with a poly main. Works well and plays like a poly / synthetic gut hybrid but with better control, spin and playing life.

    For me though, it's slightly too powerful even with a poly main. I wish they would bring out a new version, where the power's reduced by say 10% or so and call Pro or Tour. They can then just call the existing 'pro' version ZX 1.22 (seems silly to call it pro).

    I also see that they've released a black version.

    [​IMG]
     
  47. Shroud

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    Did you prestretch it?
     
  48. drak

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    I double pump it(insead of pre-stretching)with my constant pull stringer and let it pull for 8-10 seconds on the last pull. Love this string, soft/playable/control/spin and for me it lasts a long time. I have one racket I have now restrung the crosses on twice after the original stringing and it plays very well. I use the ZX in the mains and Gosen basic syn for a cross.
     
  49. Shroud

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    Better than most i suppose but not nearly enough imho
     
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    I don't get what you mean by"not nearly enough"?
     

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