Ashaway 100% Zyex monofilament

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  1. marsh

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    So you strung Kevlar mains at 60 and Zyex crosses at 41? I have a packet of this hybrid, that I have been wanting to try, but haven't been able to decide on what tensions to use.
     
  2. Erik van der Laan

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    Hi. I'm new here and I bought 6 sets today and I hope TW Europe will deliver it next week.

    My question is: Which setup I will start testing. Now I'm playing with Tecnifibre Black Code 1.24. My racket is a Prince EXO3 Tour 16x18. My tension voor the Black Code is 23/24 kg. I have armproblems around my elbow and I want a soft,spinny stringbed with control.

    Today I received some Gamma Sets like the Moto 17 en Moto Soft 17. What will you advice to start my journey for a good setup.
     
  3. ced

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    I don't think the crosses matter that much, I put ZX pro 17 in the mains at 50 lbs and Alpha gut 2000 17 in the crosses at 54 lbs
     
  4. Ronaldo

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    How many hrs will these crosses last?
     
  5. Erik van der Laan

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    What is overall the opinion. Put the MonoZX in the main or crosses?

    I have also a set Wilson Sensation 16. Will you string it as main or cross?
     
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  6. ced

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    Never broken any !! But, I'm a flat hitter and don't hit real hard.
     
  7. ced

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    I haven't broken any
     
  8. ced

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    I put it in the mains .... sensation should do fine as the cross
     
  9. Ronaldo

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    In how many minutes?
     
  10. Shroud

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    my 2 cents with starting out with kev/zx is to take your normal tension and up the kevlar by 10 lbs and lower the zx crosses by 10 lbs...

    So 50lbs normally because 60/40.

    You could also use 5 lb increments.
    Zx is fantastic as a cross and thats all I would ever use it for.
     
  11. ced

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    Not ever and except for the last few months I played a lot. I've never been a string breaker.
     
  12. Shroud

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    Using kev/zx, I never break the zx. Its the kev. The exception was on a spin racket where the zx broke. 1st time ever for me
     
  13. Ronaldo

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    Wowow, broke Alpha Gut 2000 in less than 5 hrs. Saw a player break a full bed in the warm-up, less than 30 minutes. Only broke/sheared ZX Pro once, near a knot.
     
  14. Erik van der Laan

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    I will string 2 rackets. 1 full MonoZX en 1 M: MonoXZ / X: Sensation
     
  15. Erik van der Laan

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    Another thing about this string. If I string 3 rackets and I will play with 2 of them. The third rackets I don't use so the tension will only drop in the begin but will be stabel for a long period is it still good to use to play tennis after, let's say, 6 months.
     
  16. Erik van der Laan

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    And my last post :).

    The Gamma Live Wire XP 16 has also Zyex material. Is it a good option this put in it a Hybrid with de MonoZX ? Conform the TWU Database the Live Wire is the upperhalf of the most String to String Friction. How will this combine with the Mono ZX.

    Which one will you string in the main or in the crosses??
     
  17. moonballs

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    @Erik van der Laan i like both the full bed ZX and ZX main syngut cross hybrid. I would rate the playability of 17g ZX full bed as the best. But the hybrid is a happy medium of playability and cost. I usually can restring just the crosses one time when the synthetic guy starts to fray.
     
  18. Erik van der Laan

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    Moonballs, why will you prefer a SG instead of a Multi string. For better durability?
     
  19. moonballs

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    Yes. I did try a multi in the crosses once. It gets fray pretty much in the first session and broke within 10 hours I think.
     
  20. Ramon

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    I've tried several multifilament and monofilament syngut crosses. My favorite cross is Gamma TNT2. It's as soft as a lot of multis and doesn't fray because it's a solid core string, so it will last long time. I'm probably going to try some cheaper crosses in the future, but I've stocked up on a lot of TNT2 and I've gotten used to it.
     
  21. ricardo

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    Grippy mains, slippery crosses

    I want a spinny setup so I use a hybrid that maximizes spin.

    I use Monogut ZX only on the crosses.
    I use a high ball bite string on the mains, i.e Ashaway Dynamite 17 or 18.
     
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  22. Shroud

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    How do you not shred the dynamite in 2 seconds?
     
  23. ricardo

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    I use Babolat SS, 10x10 on the SS as soon as I finish stringing.
    After every hitting session, I look for mains notching and put more SS as required.
    The mains last a long time and ZX lasts forever.
    I only re-tension/replace the mains due to tension loss or after I get tired of using it.

    But you are right.
    If I don't use SS, mains won't last long with ZX crosses.
     
  24. Shroud

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    I have some of the SS and if I can find them I will try. They are supposed to make the string bed stiffer.

    Do they limit snapback?
     
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  26. Erik van der Laan

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    The Gamma Live Wire XP 16 has also Zyex material. Is it a good option this put in it a Hybrid with de MonoZX ?
     
  27. 2ndServe

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    Why is this thread so popular, can someone recap why this string has 30 pages of responses?
     
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  28. Shroud

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    First off, IMHO its the most unique string on the market. Imagine gutlike softness with poly slipperyness, and thats what ZX is like. Some are using it in the mains for a soft feel, other as a cross for a soft but spinny experience.

    The downside is that its super stretching in the lenght access so if you pull it like with a drop weight stringer, it will stretch and stretch. you can get about 1-2" of permanent stretch if you pull hard and long. IMHO there are many issues with vibrations because of this (due to tension loss) and arguements about prestretching and "I had no vibes" that inflate the thread.

    Though its stretchy, its really tough to move in the direction you need to as in tying a knot. Its very poly like in that regard and one of the reason IMHO its one of the best cross strings, but some have broken it when tying off, which also inflates the post count.

    The cliff notes is that its a great string.
     
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  29. graycrait

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    I still think Ashaway Kevlar in the mains and Ashaway Monogut Zyex in the crosses is the bomb. I strung two rackets today with Zyex crosses with Kevlar mains, a Volkl Organix V1 Pro and a Volkl C10 Pro 2012. Ended up playing with the C10 Pro for about 3/4ths of the 2 hour session when the V1 Pro seemed uninspiring. This particular hybrid is fascinating. And like I said before if you are a 6.0 or play for UVA or are pro bless you and your 2-10 hr poly, along with the other person who strings your rackets. But if you don't like stringing all the time and you are a 4-4.5 beyond carrying that you will make the main draw at Wimbledon or score with the opposite sex because of your awesome tennis skills, give this stuff a try. Plays with comfort, can string to about any tension you like, even extreme tension differentials, modest or no differential.
     
  30. travlerajm

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    I haven't tried string savers in years.

    Aside: Last time I used them was back in 2003 in my first foray into poly. My stringer friend insisted that poly was "the new thing". I tried the poly (at probably too tight a tension), but hated the poly compared to my usual problend because the ball seemed to slide off my stringbed without gripping. So I used the string savers to make the stringbed rougher. I used them at every other intersection, but still didn't care for it. When my backup problend-strung Prostaff 4.7 OS broke a string, I needed to use the poly one in the final of my city's open mixed doubs final. I didn't realize until after the match that putting the string savers on every other intersection was bad idea, since it made it so the string savers gripped the ball on one side of stringbed, but not the other! So I had one side grippy, and one side slippery. Lost the match in 3 sets, but I still regret playing it with a lousy experimental stringjob. I also recall when the string broke a week later and the SS exploded all over the court - recovery yield was poor.

    Anyway - the post above on SS gets me thinking... maybe I'll try them with a kevlar/ZX stringbed - will the kevlar last forever?
     
  31. Shroud

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    Well said!

    Yeah the restringing is why I use the kevlar and I just like its stiffness over play. Though the zx doesnt go high enough for me and I don't think the differential even a big one to use zx will work out for me. I can try it I suppose but the racket is already pretty powerful and the zx will add to that I think. Not a good thing for me.
     
  32. Shroud

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    Dude if you do this and it does last forever think of how it will put poor stringer out of business. Ashaway will promptly discontinue kevlar!!!

    Good point about the SS and every other interesection. Nice thing is you can remove them if you dont like it. I will try to find mine and use them. I could use a stiffer string bed!
     
  33. Erik van der Laan

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    Just finished the job for my Prince EXO3 Tour 16x18. Main: Mono ZX and Crosses: Gamma Live Wire XP 17. Both 24 kg.
    Is a DT of 34 normal?
     
  34. Shroud

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    Not sure what is normal but yeah that sounds fairly normal. 56 is abnormal for sure
     
  35. Erik van der Laan

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    You got DT56 looking at your pulling weight of 86 lbs;)
     
  36. Shroud

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    well i dont know the equivalant tensions because the chart stops at 53 which is equivalent to 86lbs in an oversize, 79 in a mid plus, and 73 for a mid

    They give ranges for frame size with over being 106-115


    Guessing mine is higher than 53 due to the stiffness of the kevlar/ poly combo
     
  37. hmd

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    I've been playing with Monogut ZX for more than 18 months in various combinations.
    I went to full bed ZX from a full bed multi because i was searching for arm friendly non-poly string that would last longer than multis.
    I use a Head Speed 19x16 and hit with heaps of topspin the multis last about 4-5 hours.

    A full bed of ZX last for a long time UNLESS you mishit and it tend to break at the top of the racquet near a knot. After a while this was very frustrating as it is unpredictable how long a string job would last.

    I tried a few combinations multi main zx cross and zx cross multi main, in all these combinations the zx would just cut up the multi in no time.

    Next on the evolution path was poly main and zx cross, eventually I found rpm blast 16 main and zx 16 cross to suit me best with still a lot of comfort in the setup.

    I've been playing with this for the last 5 months and a string job will last about 20 hours of play, with the rpm blast broken in the middle of the racquet (very predictable).

    I use the same tension as I would with the multi with the poly main about 2lbs less.
     
  38. Erik van der Laan

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    Today my first session with next Hybrid: M: MonoZX C: Gamma Live Wire XP. DT of 33 today.

    It played very nice and a lot softer than my old setup full ploly Tecnifibre Black Code 1.24.
    I think I will try a full bed of the MonoZX next time.
     
  39. racket king

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    What gauge kevlar are you using and what tension is the hybrid?
     
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    In a C10 Pro I have been experimenting with 18G Kevlar in the mains at 52lb x 16G Zyex in the crosses at 48lbs. Pretty nice hitting with plenty of comfort and enough spin, but lacked crispness and really noticeable on slices. Generally I prefer 16G Kevlar in the mains at 58lbs and 17G Zyex Pro in the crosses at 62lbs in a 16x19 98-102" hoop. In fact I was so underwhelmed today with the 18G Kevlar in the mains at 52lbs I think I might just cut it out and go with the 58x62 Kev/Zyex setup. Another nice set-up is natural gut in the mains and zyex in the crosses. If you have shoulder issues like my buddy does the Gut x Zyex is pretty darn comfortable and lasts a good while.
     
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  41. Ramon

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    You should try ZX mains with a smooth monofilament syngut cross. It will last longer than full bed ZX and play more consistently through it's life. I've been using Gamma TNT2 16 as a cross with ZX 16g mains. There might be some cheaper crosses that work just as well, but I know this combo works for me. I tried a few multi crosses, and I agree with you. This combo, to me, actually plays better.
     
  42. hmd

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    Mishits with ZX main is the issue for me. I can break the ZX Main straight off restringing with a mishit. Some how with my shanks I usually break the ZX Main near the top of the racquet never the crosses.
    Also with decent topspin syngut will be cut is less than 3 hours off play by the ZX.
    Hence I have reluctantly used poly main.
     
  43. Shroud

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    Try kevlar and string the zx lower. Kevlar is a big scary word for tennis players, but that combo with a 10-20lb differential is not only softer than you imagine, but you dont have to worry about shanks, and it LASTS a long time!
     
  44. Ramon

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    I used to break a lot of strings on shanks too. I found that with ZX a full bed is more likely to break on shanks. A soft syngut will soften the blow. ZX is pretty tough on itself. I hit with lots of topspin too. Multi crosses will break quickly and so will rough strings like Gamma Synthetic Gut. Gamma TNT2 is smooth so it doesn't fray, it will just wear down.
     
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    Ramon: What tensions are you using in your ZX - TNT2 hybrid?
     
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    Guessed I've should have asked you before going RPM Blast :)
    I am happy with RPM Blast main ZX cross, I break the poly before it go boardy so no worry about dead poly. And comfort level still very good.
     
  47. ZirkusAffe

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    Agreed, I had the Ashaway Dyno 18's strung slightly above the recommended tension (58 lbs) in a Bab pure drive Roddick.. loved those strings looking back at it (full bed) popped them on an over head I hit towards the top of the head.. I gotta get another set those strings lasted me awhile but played very well through out, since then I've tried many combos but I still remember how great those blue 18g dynamites were in comparison. I'm sure others may burn through those 18s quick.. maybe the 17g green natural is worth a try as well.. Zyex ftw.
     
  48. Ramon

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    This setup works with a variety of tensions. I tried 66 pounds mains and crosses on a Prince Tour 98 ESP. Worked great. I'm currently going with 50 pounds on my PK Ki5x, and I might even go lower next time. The important thing is that you either prestretch the ZX or let it stretch fully for several seconds before clamping it. Otherwise you'll get too much tension loss.
     
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    I've gravitated towards The ZX in the mains due to your posts. Was using Kevlar/ ZX combo ESP whilst durability is the ultimate, spin huge and comfort is only just reasonable, its not plush, I think it may have eventually caused arm/shoulder damage like polys.

    So have tried ZX in Mains at 52lbs pre stretched at 58lbs for a few minutes. I crossed it with some old stock I had of C3 Rocket at 50lbs, which is a softish solid core string with an outer sheath, think maybe FXP Tour is similar and replaced it. Strung in a Speed XT MP 16/19 which has quite an open pattern in its drilling.

    Results are excellent. Comfort and shock absorbsion are brilliant. Spin is actually petty good and power is big without being out of control. I'm very impressed with this combo. The C3 Rocket though is rapidly showing signs of wear after 2 hours, so may order some TNT2 on your recommendation.
    Might try 54M/52C in second racquet for little more control/ new balls.
     

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