Ashaway 100% Zyex monofilament

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  1. Torres

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    This string is doing my head in. I snapped a 2nd set when tying off the mains. Had to find an alternative spare hole to tie off instead. Not sure what effect that has on the stringbed.

    Strung Red ZX 1.27 at 52lbs CP this time in the Juice Pro (versus 53lbs originally). I'm not feeling the love. Not sure what's happening. During the first couple of hours of hitting, it plays okay but I wasn't getting that blend of plushness/crispness/confidence that I got the first time around. Am also getting too much length on balls and I don't quite have the confidence to take a big rip at the ball. That said, the first I strung in the Juice Pro was a bit inconsistent off the stringer and it wasn't until the 2nd hitting session that it began to settle down. I think this string needs to settle after stringing or it needs to be broken in after stringing or something has to happen for it to reach its peak playability levels. I also suspect that going too low in terms of tension isn't the answer.

    Will see how it goes over the next few hours to see whether it can replicate the beautiful performance of the string when I strung the first set of string in the Juice Pro. I'm wondering whether those slow pulls suggested by Julian would have helped....

    I'm also tempted to try a tension differential between Ms and Cs. Although I appreciate that this isn't a poly, I've found that going 1lb or so lower on the mains increases spin slightly with polys.
     
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  2. corners

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    I thought his explanation of why slow pulls are a good idea with this string was pretty interesting.

    Have you considered trying poly mains/ZX cross Torres? Not suggesting you give up on full beds yet but thinking poly mains might give you a bit crisper snapback and spin while preserving the comfort of pop of ZX with it in the crosses.
     
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    It's definitely on my list of things to try, along with zx/poly but I just wanted to play another set of full bed ZX to destruction first to make sure I can replicate the characteristics I experienced originally. That way I can be as clear as I can be about how this string performs before I add a different string into the equation.
     
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    Speaking of strings settling, I was pretty startled by the stiffness straight off the machine of a gut/poly hybrid I strung up a few weeks ago. The difference 2 days later was pretty dramatic how much it has loosened up. There was also a noticeable difference between the first and second match. Back to Ashaway now...
     
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    This 2nd string job of Red ZX 1.27 in my Juice Pro is unusual compared to the 1st string job in the same racquet. The 2nd string job is definitely playing better at 2-3 hours in compared to when it was initially strung (it seems to settled down) and you can hit out at the ball much more now - its starting to give that confidence again - but it doesn't quite feel as plush or as powerful or as forgiving as I remember it to be (compared to the 1st string job in the same stick). Stringbed feels tighter/stiffer despite it being strung 1lb lower. Feels more like a soft poly than a combo poly/multi/gut type string which is what the 1st job felt like at certain times. Not sure whether these characteristics are being caused by the mains being tied off on a different hole to what it should be. I wouldn't have thought so, but you never know.

    One of the most interesting things about this string (for me anyway) is that I don't feel much fatigue on the body the day after 2-3 hours of hitting. With a stiff poly, I feel fatigue and stiffness in my body the day after a heavy hitting session, and physically would probably be at around 70%. As a result, I usually try and build in a recovery day free of heavy hitting or matches. With this ZX string I'm probably at 90-95% the day after a heavy hitting session.
     
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    It seems that the very low stiffness of these strings is making a clear impression on your body! even though results have been up and down for your hitting. Thanks again for investing your time and cash in this string Torres. We're all learning a lot from your systematic approach.
     
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    Effect on your body

    I too appreciate your report on how the string physically affects you. I've noticed the same thing with the Monogut ZX 16 and 17 strings. I had a tough match yesterday and today my shoulder and elbow feel great. For me that's a huge advantage to these strings.
     
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    Hi Chapmag, Welcome! Feel free to post any more impressions you have of this string. The more info the better at this point, and we'd all appreciate your input!
     
  9. Boricua

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    How would this string match up against a a hybrid of Poly Plasma mains at 48 and OG micro at 52? This, in a Pro Kennex Q5 295. What tension shluld I use with this racket if using the Zyez?


    Also, a cousin of mine is using a Head Speed Lite and he wants a soft but controlled setup. I thought about a full set of Technifibre NRG 2. Would this Zyez string be a better alternative. If so, what tension?
     
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    My impressions

    Some background - for a long time I played full Zyex beds with my Pro Kennex Ki s. I played Dynamite WB (loved it) then the newer Dynamites (eh) then tried the Klipper Zyex (eh).

    I loved the way that I could feel the ball sink into the strings with the Dynamite WB with high racquet head speed. And the same string let me play touch volleys and drop shots. But like most I hated the movement of the strings.

    I'm experimenting with the Monogut ZX to see if I can get some of the poly sliding advantages without giving up all of the Zyex feel.

    I've got about 7 hours in a set of Klipper Zyex mains (50#) and the brown Monogut ZX 16 (50#). I'm just starting to notice a bit of string movement. This hybrid is lower powered than a full bed of Kipper Zyex and I don't see a lot of additional spin. My touch shots seems fine.

    I've also got about 4 hours in a full bed of the red Monogut ZX Pro (50#). This is more powerful than the Zyex/Zyex hybrid and also has noticeably more spin (maybe 20%?). No string movement so far. I'm not getting the sinking-in feeling I had with the multifilament Zyex. My groundstrokes have more depth, perhaps because of the mono launch angle effect? I'm hitting more balls long with this string than with the hybrid set.
     
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    Thanks Chapmag! Noticeably more spin and no string movement with ZX full bed. Sounds good. I think you're probably right that the increased depth you're getting is a result of the sliding mains launch angle effect. I've found that pretty easy to adjust to in most cases, but when going back and forth to other sticks it can be unnerving. I'd be interested to hear how the string plays for you as it gets a little older.
     
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    Just can't get the consistency from this 2nd Red ZX 1.27 stringjob at the moment. It was playing really well on Thurs and felt controlled. Yesterday and today it feels overpowered, and lacking forgiveness and control from the stringbed. Not really hitting a heavy ball and some of the mains are 'clicking' (like a nylon) and not sliding cleanly when I move them with my fingers. I just don't get it.
     
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    I noticed that Julian did not answer your question about whether this string has a coating. Based on your experiences - spin drop off, clicking, not sliding cleanly - past the 10-hour mark, I'm inclined to think this string does have a slippery coating and that that coating is worn off by this point in the string's life.

    If this were so, the string would still be better as a cross than any nylon string on the market, because it doesn't dent or notch and its doesn't fray. So it still might excel as a cross with gut or shaped copoly mains.

    On the other hand, 10 hours of maximum playability is pretty good compared to many polys.
     
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    ZX Pro USRSA Playtest Report

    RSI's playtest report for the 17g "Pro" version of this string is now online. The comments section is expanded over the print version of the playtest report.

    Note that, unlike the 1st playtest RSI did on the 16g version of ZX, blind playtesters were advised to drop tension by 10-15%.

    http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2013/03/12_string_playtest_ashaway_mon.html

    As usual with these blind playtests, comments run from very favorable to insightful to just plain ridiculous. Interesting that some playtesters praise the string for not moving while others say it moves to much. Go figure. Here is my favorite:

    “With a 5-10% tension reduction this string performs as well or better than my current natural gut hybrid. It seems to have the control and spin of a co-poly, but with more power. I don’t usually hit with a lot of spin, but the ball rotation I get with this is awesome. This string is also very accurate. I am surprised at the comfort as I expected it to be too stiff. It’s very friendly on the tendons. It also maintains tension remarkably well. I am not a string breaker but I suspect that this string would hold up very well against the competition. I would definitely consider buying it.” 4.0 male baseliner with moderate spin using Boris Becker Delta Core Sportster strung at 62 pounds LO (Volkl V Blast 17)​
     
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    They will probably have evaluated it at different times during its string life and also with different racquets and tensions. During the first few hours it doesn't move, then movement gradually creeps in and it begins to stick slightly, presumably as the string notches wears. It's going to be more noticable in a 100/16x19 than say a 95/18x20, especially at lower tensions. That said, it's not as bad as a nylon wheres the mains really stick and remain stuck.
     
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    I just can't seem to jive with this 2nd stringjob in the Juice Pro at a slightly lower tension. Balls tend to fly a bit long unless I'm standing 6ft behind the baseline and balls don't seem particularly heavy. Can't seem to find that ultimate nth degree of control either. I definitely would be careful about stringing this at too low a tension.
     
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    Are you comparing it directly with another racquet/strings at the moment?
     
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    ^ Am comparing it strung at 52lbs CP with the same string, same racquet previously strung at 53lbs CP. This 2nd string job isn't providing the same consistency over the string's playing life. Just seems a bit overpowered and I'm having to reduce my racquet speed or change my racquet path. The only difference is the tension and the main tied off on a different hole. I just don't get it - 1lb will make a slight difference but surely not as much as I'm seeing. If I was going to try another full bed of this, I'd definitely be trying the 'slow pulls' suggestion by Julian and going back to 53lbs CP for this stick. All this testing is getting expensive as I've burned through 4 sets now and this string isn't cheap. If it wasn't for the fact that the 1st set of this string in the Juice Pro played beautifully for a time, I would have junked this test ages ago....

    Next up will be Red ZX 1.27 / Genesis Black Magic 17 at 53/52lbs CP. Should be interesting to see if those poly crosses help that ZX slide and snap back more easily. Will be doing slow pulls on both. Machine goes down to 30% pull speed, but will use 50%.

    The remaining half sets will then be used in reverse after that ie poly mains / ZX crosses. Not entirely convinced by that combination, primarily because Black Magic 17 tends to go dead after about 5 hours of hitting, and I doubt that any cross will save it.
     
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  19. Boricua

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    In a week I wii order Q5 295. Will string with red Zyex at 55. I will report my impressions
     
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    Great test

    I'll be interested in your results. I wonder if the poly cross will constrain the power of the Monogut ZX. I've felt lots of power from the ZX, especially the Pro, so giving up some power for some additional snap back could work out very well.

    My next experiment will be the ZX Pro Red/MSV Co.-Focus 17 at 50 lbs. I don't do my own stringing, but my full-bed impressions several posts above were strung at slow pull speeds (not sure how slow).
     
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    So you'll be trying ZX/poly both ways. Great.
     
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    That will also be very interesting. Have you played gut/Co Focus before? If so, it would particularly interesting to hear how ZX/Cofocus and gut/cofocus compare. Great to have your contributions to this thread!
     
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    Hi Boricua, it looks like we all missed your first post above. Sorry about that, but it looks like you're sorted. 55 in the Q5 sounds like a good place to start. Looking forward to hearing how it plays for you.
     
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    Red ZX 1.27 / Black Magic 1.23 (53/52CP)

    I really don't know why I strung it like this. Must have had a brain fade. Stiffness of Black Magic is 260 or thereabouts, ZX about 150 or thereabouts....I can't feel the ZX in the stringbed at all. It's dominated by the poly. Feels like a board with not much forgiveness. Played with it a couple of hours after stringing and it was not nice. Boardy, not much spin, unforgiving, tiny sweetspot etc. Feels like a dead, stiff poly stringbed. Needs a bigger tension differential between the strings next time. Lets hope it improves after 24 hours as the poly loses tension.

    I also broke the end again tying off the knot (see knot on right of picture). Very difficult to produce a small knot. Seems like you have to leave the knots fairly big and not overtighten them (see knot on left of picture).
     
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    Let that poly sit for 2 days before play. My gut/poly hybrid felt bad at first but has really softened up with idle time and then play. It was very tinny at first.
     
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    Yeah, that poly will hopefully lose some tension over the next couple of days. I do wonder though whether something like Black Widow would have been more complementary. At least the stiffness differential would not have been as marked as with Black Magic.
     
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    Black Magic feels soft in a hybrid. Must be a lot stiffer in full bed than BW. Either way, too late now. Looking forward to hearing the results.
     
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    Yeah, it should relax a little with a little time, and just after that it'll die. :???:

    But seriously, I think having the Black Magic in the mains will have a softer feel. Babolat has maintained that the crosses provide the power and the mains the spin. Of course, they are talking about spin shots only, where the mains are sliding and snapping back, so their energy goes into spin production, while the crosses are deflecting in the normal direction and producing ball speed. So stiff poly crosses are kind of getting out of the way of the collision with all their sideways movement shenanigans, while the crosses bear the head-on brunt of the impact. And 20 lonely ZX crosses should flex with that impact nicely. God, I'm full of it.

    But with ZX in the mains it will be very interesting to see if they notch up, or whether Zyex's super-high melting point will preserve 'em.
     
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  29. Boricua

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    How many playing hours shall I expect before the Zyex breaks or has to be cut out?
     
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    If you read this thread I think you'll see that ZX seems to be as durable as a copoly, so unless you're a string breaker you won't break it. As far as cutting out, opinions are mixed. If you read through the RSI playtests - encouraged - you'll find that people say it doesn't lose much tension, or at least that they can't tell if it's lost tension, which may as well be the same thing I suppose. On the other hand, Torres, who in this thread is singlehandedly introducing the world to the subtleties of Monogut ZX, has noticed a dropoff in spin potential after 6-10 hours of play. Most polys die by then anyway, so maybe that's not so bad.

    Bottom line, in my opinion, is that ZX is a new and unique string, with the softness of the softest multis and the spin of a copoly, when fresh. I think it's definitely worth a try, and better than blowing more money trying Heptazest or Twisted Angst, or whatever "new" repackaged gimick poly they are pimping this week. But read the RSI playtests. Decide for yourself. When the weather turns here in Siberia I know I will be dropping some cash on four sets to playtest in various configurations. And if someone convinces you to try a copoly/multi combo instead, do yourself a favor and sub ZX for the multi cross.
     
  31. Boricua

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    Yes. As I said I will use it full bed. But I could later try Poly Plasma or Scorpion with Zyex crosses or viceversa
     
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    There's no way its as durable as a poly. The 'bend' test and the knots breaking show that. That said, as long as it doesn't break during normal play it doesn't matter.
     
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    That's the original monogut, a poly with zero zyex in it. I'm convinced half the negative reports about zx were by people that got the old Monogut confused with the new Monogut ZX.

    ZX is not on that list but in the playtest RSI said 16g was 151 stiffness.
     
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    Ah, I see. I stand corrected!
     
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    LOL, but you were right about Alu being stiffer! :) I imagine Ashaway has mixed feelings about keeping the "Monogut" name for this new string. The old one, being a poly, should never have had gut in the name. But with ZX it actually makes a little sense. But the poly Monogut was on the market for years, and I wonder if, for the casual string maniac (as opposed to us hardcore nutjobs), they won't get past "Monogut" to see "ZX." Would be unfortunate.
     
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    A while...

    I'm at about 6-7 hours in a full bed of ZX. I hit moderate topspin groundstrokes. I'm not seeing any notching and only a tiny bit of string movement. The strings feel like they settled in after the first couple of hours. I'm getting nice movement on my serve, both slice and topspin. And the strings are still very comfortable.
     
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    How would you compare the power level of this string to others that you've tried or favor?
     
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    Red ZX 1.27 / Black Magic 1.23 (53/52CP) summary

    Crosses were too stiff to start with and the Black Magic 17 dominated the string bed. Felt too boardy with small too a sweetspot, low powered, and generally unforgiving.

    Over the space of a few days the Black Magic lost tension and the characteristics of the ZX started coming to the fore much more (principally power and some touch).

    However, the problem seems to be that the Black Magic loses too much tension over time and eventually there's not enough tension in the Black Magic crosses to keep though softer more powerful ZX mains in check. Playing for a couple of hours earlier on this evening the stringbed felt a bit overpowered on groundstrokes. Spin was harder to come by - are those strings really sliding well against each other? This really plays like a 'big flat hitting' string setup, good for hitting through the court - but not necessarily for hitting short angles. The power from the stringbed tends to lengthen the trajectory of the ball, particularly when flat hitting. I never really felt entirely in control of my groundstrokes though I found some success against my hitting partners by just trying to hammer the ball as hard as I could and relying on the power to create forced errors. Anything less than a perfectly hit flat ball though would sometimes send the ball sailing 3ft beyond the baseline. You can put rotations on the ball but you really have to work just that little bit harder to do so by whipping up behind the ball with alot more racquet speed, which was kind of fun because I could my opponent struggling a bit with the power, depth and jump of the ball off the court, but I never really felt complete confidence in doing so as in the back of my mind I was conscious of not sending the ball long. Stringbed still felt slightly overpowered. Volleys felt a bit too springy for my liking. Couldn't really get the strings to cut the ball enough for good slice serves, and the amount of power wasn't giving me confidence to really accelerate the racket head when trying to hit kick serves either.

    Overall, not quite the ideal setup for me - feels too much like a bludgening instrument rather than a precision tool - though I could imagine that someone might like this type of setup if they wanted to play a big hitting baseline bashing game. Personally, I think it needs a different type of poly cross, probably something slightly less stiff and which holds tension a bit better but also allows the ZX to move/slide/snap back etc. Just goes to show that strings that might play well seperately as full beds may not necessarily work as a hybrid.
     
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    Going to be poly/ZX up next. Any suggestions?

    Have got Alu, Adrenaline, RPM, Beast, Yonex PTP/PTS, B5E, Black Magic, Mosquito Bite, Poly Hitec, Tour Bite (though its 16), BHBR/BHSR, Silverstring, some Discho polys etc.

    Personally, I think it needs something medium powered, bitey, consistent and forgiving, with good tension maintenance, and lasts a while before going dead. If there is such a poly of course...
     
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  41. travlerajm

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    Sounds like Kevlar main with ZX cross might be what I'm looking for? My ZX just arrived today...
     
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    Great. Looking forward to hearing how it plays for you, Trav. I would be a little concerned that the kevlar mains will strip the slippery coating that I presume this string has (see posts above on how Torres has found the strings to loose their lubricity over time), but ZX should definitely add some zip to your serve as compared to copoly or even syngut crosses.
     
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    Ok. First experiment with the ZX:

    Tried it out as full bed (Red) at 57 lbs in my shortened, leaded-up NXG OS (specs of about 13.6 oz., 12.4", 360 SW).

    Stringing the 10 central mains was a pain - I was concerned that the strings were about to snap at any moment, as the dropweight dropped awfully fast and violently whenever I released the clamp.

    Unfortunately, this stringbed turned out to be one of the worst performing stringbeds I've ever tried.

    Adjectives: springy, powerful, slippery, unpredictable, inconsistent, hotspots.

    Hitting against the wall was a frustrating experience. Trying to hit a series of topspin drives in a row at the same target was difficult. Sometimes the ball would respond with the spin and angle I expected, and other times the tangential friction would be converted into extra rebound angle rather than spin, and the ball would shoot off at a high launch angle with extra power (a ball that would hit the back fence if I were on the tennis court).

    I think the ball seemed to slide across the stringbed without grabbing on softer shots, but it would grab better (but still unpredictably) on harder shots. This was the most unpredictable stringbed I've ever tried.
    Volleys were just as bad - I could not control the rebound angle very well at all, as the rebound angle seemed to be dependent on how much spin was incoming.

    The most similar comparison would be to full poly that has dropped too much tension (this happened to me with my NXG when I tried full Lux ALU Power at 52 lbs - the first hour I played great, and then after that the stringbed became unpredictable and unplayable). But the fresh ZX was even worse than that. The only time a fresh string was this bad was when I tried Hyperion at 40 lbs in the O3 Red - way too low a tension for the O3 Red.

    Anyway - I still have hope for the ZX as a cross with kevlar main (that might hold tension better than poly?), but I cannot recommend this string as a full bed for any type of player. This was awful.

    As an aside - I compared it side-by-side with the frame in my current setup. The SPPP tension had dropped a lot after about 4-5 hours of hitting, and although the stringbed is still adequate, the differenntial tension loss vs the kevlar has squashed the frame enough that the MgR/I is too high now, and the frame is no longer tuned right (coming around too fast on both forehand and 2hb). I suspect the swingweight has dropped from 373 to around 370 now due to this effect. So I'm losing my patience with poly crosses!
     
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    travlerajm,

    i am not really suprised by your findings and i suppose that this awful experience rather is due to the fact that you are used to "dead" stringbeds. i think that the behaviour of these strings is completely different than what we have become used to thinking in generic terms of kevlar, poly, multi, syngut and last but not least nattygut.
    i also have a set sitting here but will most probably not get to play it before mid april as i still have a playtest to finish and won't hit the courts next week due to a travelling appointment.
     
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    I started skim reading the rest of your post after reading that, because I could almost predict that the outcome wasn't going to be good.

    Open 107sq", XL, 360SW...you need steel cable to complement that racquet not a soft string like ZX....throw in fast pulls on a drop weight and the string needing to settle and eeesh...

    I don't see how that can be a valid conclusion for you to draw given your methodology and the nature of the racquet you've strung it in.
     
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  46. Boricua

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    Anybody had a positive experiece with Zyex full bed? I am planningto use it in a Pro Kennex Q5 295
     
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    Only about 35 people linked to in this thread....
     
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    There's Torres and Trav, and then there's all the blind playtests from the two RSI playtests (40-50 total reports, I think). I would look at those for sure, and then maybe look for another RSI playtest of a string that you've hit before. Then you can get a good sense for how ZX might compare to something you're familiar with. I think it's a good idea to do some research and spend some effort reading. On the other hand, don't you already have a set coming to you?
     
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    I suppose. What about the other 33?
     
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    Yes. It will arrive next week along with the racket
     

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