Ashaway Monogut

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  1. Dtennis

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    I'm a heavy-hitting baseliner, what guage of Monogut should I order for maximum performance? I do not care about "more bang for the buck/durability". What guage is better for tension maintence and max performance? 17g or 16g? Thanks!!!
     
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    Monogut is like a poly in terms of stiffness and tension retention. If you like poly, then you may like the string. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're looking for in terms of "performance". As for tension retention, many other strings have more of it, at least judging by RSI testing.

    http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/01/string_selector_2010.html

    Personally, I'd try Dynamite if I were you. It has much better tension retention and better performance since it has more gut-like dynamic stiffness, due to the Zyex (PEEK) material.
     
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    One thing I just discovered from the TW Database is that higher tensions are more efficient in terms of energy return with (most?) strings. I didn't expect that.

    So, it's better to choose a soft string like Dynamite and string at a high tension because you get energy return without destroying your elbow.

    For instance with Dynamite WB 16 and a fast swing with an actual tension of 45 lbs (total tension loss of 18 lbs), the stiffness was 142 and the efficiency (energy return) was 93%. At roughly half the tension the efficiency drops to 85%. Monogut 17 has an efficiency of only 79% and yet a higher stiffness of 166. Furthermore, the tension retention is worse.

    Since you're a hard-hitter, I assume you use a fast swing most of the time. Performance usually boils down to efficiency. So, get a soft string like Dynamite and string at the highest tension your elbow can handle. That seems to be the recipe for "performance". I guess that explains why Sampras, Borg, and Seles used to string at very high tensions. Of course, they could afford natural gut which is even more efficient than Zyex.

    If money is no object, then this natural gut is going to be better:

    Pacific Tough Gut 16, 1.34mm, 51.24 actual tension, 78.3 stiffness, 10.8 tension loss, 97.8% efficiency
     
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    I hit pretty hard and liked monogut 16 okay the time I tried it for playing (in a hybrid with a multi), but it lost tension so fast that i didn't use it again.
     
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    Wow great posting, Centered!
    I'm going to review the information and let you know what I'm thinking of choosing. Thanks again! :)
     
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    You're welcome. Keep in mind that there is a new Zyex string called Dynamite Soft that just came out. It is likely to be even more like natural gut than regular Dynamite because of its finer Zyex filaments. But, the durability of regular Dynamite may be higher due to it having only six thick filaments.

    Also, the Dynamite WB 16 I posted about, which is more gut-like than another other synthetic string tested by Tennis Warehouse in terms of stiffness at medium and fast swings, it quite thick (gauge) so the thinner 17 gauge will be even more gut-like. But, the durability will be better with the WB version.
     
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    Also note that there is probably a point of diminishing returns when it comes to stringing tightly. If one strings too tightly then stiffness will increase more rapidly than energy return. Also, the string's durability will suffer. That's my assumption. I would start with your racquet's suggested tension midpoint rather than going by Ashaway's suggestion of stringing 15-20% more loosely and move upward from there if you want more control.
     
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    When making choices to test strings and tensions, don't forget to factor in the ball's reaction to the string as well as the string itself.

    The stiffer string bed that results from higher tension forces more collision energy into the ball, and the ball is far less efficient in returning energy than any string. It may be that what you lose efficiency-wise with lower tensions is balanced out, or more than balanced out, by the strings getting more energy (and the ball less) to begin with. Here is a good TW article that discusses it.
     
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    Good point. Thanks.
     
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    Dynamite WB 16 probably is the best string I played in terms of ball pocketing, fell, etc. but I did not use it anymore for two reasons string movement and outer layer goes away in couple of hours of play (you see those 6 filaments exposed). Besides that I've never found any other string like Dynamite not even natural gut!
     
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    How long ago did you use it? My friend has been using it and the outer layer has held up pretty well. So far, it has lasted him as long as NRG-2 17 did (he's using the Dynamite 17). There are a few spots where the coating is gone, but so far it hasn't affected his play.

    Another thing you may want to do is try the newer Dynamite Soft. Crandall from Ashaway said the new string's filaments are more integrated with the outer material so the issue of skin shedding should be a thing of the past. I hope TW will stock it soon so I can give it a try.
     
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    Here's the summary:

    "Whenever you lessen the stiffness of the strings by reducing tension or by using softer strings, you will direct more energy into the strings and less into the ball, and you will thereby lose less energy and get more power.

    You don't have to know what the stiffness of the stringbed or the ball actually is. You just have to know that every time you reduce the stiffness of elements that make up stringbed stiffness — like string material, tension, pattern, headsize, or gauge — you will increase the percentage of energy return."
     
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    ^ I really like Ashaway products, but some reasons I quit using them.
    Monogut; feels great!!!! just for about 6 hours, then tension drops dramatically. If you string on your own, and don't mind stringing that often then you have a great string.
    Crossfire; it's fantastic. The best kevlar you can find and the synthetic gut is really good too. I switched to polys that's why I'm not using anymore Crossfire.
    Dynamite; I explained my reasons before. Just to clarify about the outer layer, to me goes away really fast but does not affect playability at all. So if you don't care about strings moving around like crazy and that details about outer layer all I can say it's good things about Dynamite.
     
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    Have you tried the Dynamite Soft? The outer layer issue should not exist.
     
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    I haven't tried that one yet. But I thought about it, Ashaway products are really high quality in my opinion.
    I'd like to try the new one with a soft poly as mains
     
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    Does Ashaway make any polys? I am currently using Lux BB Rough, and like it a lot. Only thing is, the cost is quiet high, and I can get discounts on Ashaway products... Any ideas on Ashaways that are similar to Lux BB Rough?
     
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    They manufacture MONOGUT which technically is not a poly but plays similar. The string is very decent for 4 bucks but in my opinion drops tension too fast, I can't afford to restring that often.

    Being more specific with my answer to your question, I don't think they have anything close or similar to Lux BB rough.
     
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    Ashaway Monogut is a poly according to TW and has similar characteristics to Luxilon BB, although it is thinner. RSI made a mistake when it put it into the nylon category. That solves the mystery of Monogut's tension loss. It is a typical poly in terms of tension retention.

    Interestingly, Wilson's NXT Tour, when strung at the same tension, has similar stiffness to a poly because it holds its tension so much better and it's also very stiff for a multi. String it a bit tighter and it should have the same stiffness.

    strung at 62 lbs with a fast swing:

    Brand/name, pre-stretch?, material, actual gauge, actual tension, stiffness, total tension loss

    Wilson NXT Tour 16, no, Nylon, 1.35, 50.98, 202.9, 11.0
    Wilson NXT Tour 16, yes, Nylon, 1.35, 57.00, 212.0, 5.1
    BB ALU Power Rough, 125/16L, no, Poly, 1.30, 37.31, 225.2, 24.9
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L, no, 1.28, 35.81, 229.2, 26.7
    BB ALU Power Rough 125/16L, yes, Poly, 1.30, 45.07, 242.3, 17.2
    BB Rough 130/16, no, Poly, 1.33, 38.74, 252.6, 23.6
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L, yes, Poly, 1.28, 43.37, 256.6, 19.0
    BB Rough 130/16, yes, Poly, 1.33, 46.83, 263.5, 15.4
     
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    It's quite average when compared to other polys. It actually does much better than some, like Solinco Revolution.

    Monogut 16L is 1.28mm thick with a total of 19.0 lbs of total tension loss at high tension, fast swing speed.
    Solinco Revolution 16 is 1.33mm thick with a loss of 26.7 lbs, making its performance much worse.

    Kirschbaum Long Life 15 is even thicker at 1.44mm and it has the same tension loss as Monogut 16L at 1.28mm. So, Monogut is competitive in terms of tension retention with many strings being inferior.

    The following strings are equal or worse than Monogut 16L in terms of total tension loss (62 lbs, fast swing, pre-stretch):

    equal:
    Solinco Revolution 17
    Babolat Pro Hurricane 18
    Weiss Cannon Scorpion 1.22
    Solinco Outlast 17
    Solinco Tour Bite 17
    Head Ultra Tour 16
    MSV Co.-Focus 16L
    Wilson Enduro Gold 16
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L
    Gosen Polylon 16
    Babolat Duralast 16
    Kirschbaum Touch Turbo 1.30
    Kirschbaum Long Life 15
    Prince Tour 17
    Signum Pro Hyperion 17 (1.24)

    worse:
    Weiss Cannon Silverstring 1.25
    Prince Tour 16
    Boris Becker Bomber 17
    Ashaway MonoGut 17
    Pacific ATP Poly Power Pro 16L
    Tourna Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 18
    IsoSpeed Pyramid 16
    Klip Hardcore 16/1.30
    Polyfibre TCS Rapid 16L/1.25
    IsoSpeed Pulse 17
    Polyfibre Cobra 17/1.20
    Head Sonic Pro 16
    Polyfibre TCS 17
    IsoSpeed Pulse 16
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 17
    Wilson Enduro Tour 18
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 17
    Polyfibre Viper 17/1.20
    Polyfibre Viper 16L/1.25
    Wilson Enduro Tour 17
    Polyfibre TCS 16L
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16L
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16L
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16/1.30
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16/1.30
    Polyfibre TCS 16/1.30
    Solinco Revolution 16
     
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    The most impressive poly I saw in terms of tension retention with low stiffness is:

    IsoSpeed Axon Mono 16L, 1.28mm, 51.16, 250.9 stiffness, 11.0 lbs lost

    Now, a 250.9 stiffness is not "low", but in comparison with the other tension-holding poly strings, it's softer.

    The runner-up is:

    Gamma Zo Magic 16, 1.28mm, 50.32, 266.3 stiffness, 11.9 lbs lost

    The worst performers:

    Solinco Revolution 16, 1.33mm, 35.43, 253.2 stiffness, 26.7 lbs lost
    Polyfibre TCS 16/1.30, 1.30 mm, 36.01, 234.3, 26.2 lbs lost
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16/1.30, 1.31mm, 36.45, 238.3, 26.0
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16/1.30, 1.30, 37.64, 236.6, 24.7
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16L, 1.25, 37.73, 236.6, 24.5
    Polyfibre TCS 16L, 1.23, 38.26, 230.3, 24.0
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16L, 1.23, 38.30, 233.2, 24.0
    Wilson Enduro Tour 17, 1.25, 38.34, 233.7, 23.8
    Polyfibre Viper 16L/1.25, 1.23, 38.54, 233.2, 23.8
    Polyfibre Viper 17/1.20, 1.23, 39.05, 232.0, 23.2
    Wilson Enduro Tour 18, 1.21, 39.20, 226.9, 23.2
    Head Sonic Pro 16, 1.32, 39.49, 216.0, 22.7
    IsoSpeed Pulse 16, 1.32, 39.56, 213.7, 22.9

    (I deleted the two strings that were 1.18mm or less.)
     
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    Now, with no pre-stretch, things are a bit different:

    The following strings did the same or worse than Monogut 16L in total tension retention with no pre-stretch:

    the same:
    Kirschbaum Touch Turbo 1.30, 1.30, 35.85, 247.5, 26.5
    Luxilon M2 Plus 130/16, 1.32, 35.81, 248.0, 26.5
    Gamma Zo Twist 16, 1.28, 35.61, 206.3, 26.7
    Solinco Outlast 17, 1.24, 35.61, 214.3, 26.7
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L, 1.28, 35.81, 229.2, 26.7
    Wilson Enduro Gold 16, 1.29, 35.77, 237.2, 26.7
    Kirschbaum Super Smash Spiky 1.20, 1.20, 35.70, 241.2, 26.7
    Kirschbaum Super Smash Spiky 16/1.30, 1.32, 35.70, 262.3, 26.7
    Kirschbaum Super Smash 16/1.30, 1.34, 35.61, 262.9, 26.7
    Gosen Polylon 16, 1.29, 35.24, 248.0, 26.9

    worse:
    Gosen Polylon Comfort 16, 1.32, 35.06, 232.0, 27.3
    Prince Tour 17, 1.28, 34.99, 242.9, 27.3
    Babolat Duralast 16, 1.31, 35.08, 244.0, 27.3
    Prince Poly Spin 3D, 1.28, 34.79, 238.9, 27.6
    Boris Becker Bomber 17, 1.23, 34.55, 201.7, 27.8
    Ashaway MonoGut 17, 1.22, 34.40, 217.2, 27.8
    Pacific ATP Poly Power Pro 16L, 1.27, 34.68, 228.6, 27.8
    Prince Tour 16, 1.33, 34.35, 254.3, 28.0
    Tourna Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17, 1.27, 34.29, 192.0, 28.2
    Gamma Zo Power 16L, 1.27, 33.76, 243.5, 28.7
    Klip Hardcore 16/1.30 , 1.30, 33.41, 218.3, 28.9
    Kirschbaum Long Life 15, 1.44, 33.41, 265.2, 28.9
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 18, 1.10, 32.92, 192.6, 29.3
    Head Sonic Pro 16, 1.32, 33.12, 193.7, 29.3
    IsoSpeed Pulse 17, 1.22, 32.66, 185.7, 29.5
    IsoSpeed Pyramid 16, 1.30, 32.79, 203.5, 29.8
    Wilson Enduro Tour 18, 1.21, 31.95, 210.3, 30.4
    Polyfibre Cobra 17/1.20, 1.24, 31.71, 200.0, 30.6
    Polyfibre TCS Rapid 16L/1.25, 1.25, 31.38, 205.7, 31.1
    Polyfibre TCS 17, 1.21, 30.96, 200.0, 31.3
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16L, 1.23, 30.96, 208.6, 31.3
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 17, 1.18, 30.83, 200.6, 31.8
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 17, 1.16, 30.80, 202.3, 31.8
    Polyfibre Viper 16L/1.25, 1.23, 30.41, 205.2, 31.8
    IsoSpeed Pulse 16, 1.32, 30.27, 192.6, 32.0
    Polyfibre Viper 17/1.20, 1.23, 30.52, 204.6, 32.0
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16/1.30, 1.30, 30.21, 207.5, 32.2
    Polyfibre Hightec Premium 16L, 1.25, 30.08, 210.3, 32.2
    Weiss Cannon Silverstring 120, 1.20mm?, 30.03, 181.7, 32.4
    Polyfibre TCS 16L, 1.23, 29.97, 205.7, 32.4
    Wilson Enduro Tour 17, 1.25, 29.86, 206.9, 32.4
    Polyfibre TCS 16/1.30, 1.30, 28.60, 209.2, 34.0
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16/1.30, 1.31, 28.22, 210.9, 34.0 lbs lost
     
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    I really appreciate your technical info and research about Monogut, but my opinion is solely based on my own experience.
     
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    again based on my experience these figures are really hard to believe about MOnogut;
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L, no, 1.28, 35.81, 229.2, 26.7

    From what I recall Monogut fells like a Synthetic Gut when you play more than a Poly string. It's really soft, it has a great ball pocketing effect. All these great characteristics go away very fast!
     
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    It's listed as a poly in the TW database. It's listed as nylon by RSI, but the tension loss and stiffness numbers don't fit the nylon profile. They do fit the poly profile.

    Here's what Ashaway says: "MonoGut is a multi-polymer monofilament."

    Here are the RSI numbers:

    Ashaway MonoGut 17, 1.22mm, 233 stiffness, 20.2 lbs lost
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L, 1.27, 242, 19.4

    For its gauges of 1.22 and 1.27mm, the stiffness seems too high to be nylon. More prominent is the tension loss which is solidly within the midrange of the poly territory.

    Here are the TW numbers:

    Ashaway MonoGut 16L High
    (62 lbs) Slow no 1.28 35.30 304.6 26.0
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L High
    (62 lbs) Medium no 1.28 35.83 259.5 26.0
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L High
    (62 lbs) Fast no 1.28 35.81 229.2 26.7

    pre-stretched:
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L High
    (62 lbs) Slow yes 1.28 42.87 310.3 18.5
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L High
    (62 lbs) Medium yes 1.28 43.42 280.6 18.5
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L High
    (62 lbs) Fast yes 1.28 43.37 256.6 19.0

    Ashaway MonoGut 16L Medium
    (51 lbs) Slow no 1.28 26.64 266.9 23.6
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L Medium
    (51 lbs) Medium no 1.28 27.45 228.0 23.6
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L Medium
    (51 lbs) Fast no 1.28 27.45 202.9 23.8

    Ashaway MonoGut 16L Low
    (40 lbs) Slow no 1.28 18.54 233.7 20.9
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L Low
    (40 lbs) Medium no 1.28 19.03 201.7 21.2
    Ashaway MonoGut 16L Low
    (40 lbs) Fast no 1.28 18.96 181.2 21.2

    Ashaway MonoGut 17 High
    (62 lbs) Slow no 1.22 34.13 266.3 27.6
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 High
    (62 lbs) Medium no 1.22 34.42 244.6 27.6
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 High
    (62 lbs) Fast no 1.22 34.40 217.2 27.8

    pre-stretched:
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 High
    (62 lbs) Slow yes 1.22 41.23 283.5 20.3
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 High
    (62 lbs) Medium yes 1.22 41.61 260.6 20.3
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 High
    (62 lbs) Fast yes 1.22 41.61 234.3 20.7

    Ashaway MonoGut 17 Medium
    (51 lbs) Slow no 1.22 25.05 244.0 25.6
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 Medium
    (51 lbs) Medium no 1.22 25.78 212.0 25.1
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 Medium
    (51 lbs) Fast no 1.22 25.69 188.6 25.8

    Ashaway MonoGut 17 Low
    (40 lbs) Slow no 1.22 17.27 220.6 22.5
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 Low
    (40 lbs) Medium no 1.22 17.57 185.7 22.5
    Ashaway MonoGut 17 Low
    (40 lbs) Fast no 1.22 17.53 165.7 22.9

    Looks like a typical poly to me.
     
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    Here is Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power Rough for comparison:


    ALU Power Rough 125/16L High
    (62 lbs) Slow no 1.30 36.76 257.7 24.7
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L High
    (62 lbs) Medium no 1.30 37.29 247.5 24.5
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L High
    (62 lbs) Fast no 1.30 37.31 225.2 24.9

    pre-stretched:
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L High
    (62 lbs) Slow yes 1.30 44.81 270.9 16.8
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L High
    (62 lbs) Medium yes 1.30 45.14 267.5 16.8
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L High
    (62 lbs) Fast yes 1.30 45.07 242.3 17.2

    ALU Power Rough 125/16L Medium
    (51 lbs) Slow no 1.30 27.41 248.6 22.9
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L Medium
    (51 lbs) Medium no 1.30 28.07 218.3 22.9
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L Medium
    (51 lbs) Fast no 1.30 28.07 201.7 23.2
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L Low
    (40 lbs) Slow no 1.30 14.93 206.3 24.7
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L Low
    (40 lbs) Medium no 1.30 15.44 183.5 24.5
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L Low
    (40 lbs) Fast no 1.30 15.48 169.7 24.5


    Let's just compare one set of numbers:

    Brand/name, reference tension, swing speed, pre-stretch?, gauge, actual tension, stiffness, total tension lost

    Ashaway MonoGut 17, 40 lbs, Fast, no, 1.22, 17.53, 165.7, 22.9
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L, 40 lbs, Fast, no, 1.30, 15.48, 169.7, 24.5

    The Luxilon loses a bit more tension even though it's much thicker than the Monogut.
     
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    you've done a great job!
     
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