At my level is restringing every 10-15 hours good?

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  1. robok9

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    Alright, to give you the scenario, I'm 15 and have been playing tennis for about a year now (only playing seriously for about 6 months). I have been experiencing rapid improvement over the past 2 months or so with almost all aspects of my game. Basically, I'm wondering if it would be beneficial to restring my racquet more frequently, or am I just being the typical "the best equipment will make me a better player" kind of guy. I have a simple drop-weight stringing machine, so it's not like I'd be spending 20-30 bucks per stringing to have someone else do it. Assuming that I use something pretty low priced like volkl cyclone (<$10 a set), would it be a good thing to restring every 10-15 hours?

    I personally think that there's no problem with spending $10 a month to always have a fresh set of poly in the racquet, but my parent and brother disagree (my parents don't play tennis and my brother is an ameteur). I pretty much need someone to tell me 1 of 2 things:

    1) Am I being over obsessive about it? If so, explain a little bit.
    2) If I am right, can someone give me an argument for my parents since I need to order strings through them, and they won't let me.

    Help would be appreciated :)
     
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  2. esgee48

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    Do you break SG/Multi's in under 2 hours? If yes, you're a candidate for poly. If you break SG.. between 16-20 hours, then you're not a candidate for poly.

    Poly strings lose the elasticity and become dead between 6-16 hours whether you break them or not. At that point, the strings are going to start transmitting shock to your arm and elbow. The range is rather wide since poly's universe include strings like RPM Blast (short life), Polylon (very short life) and SPPP (fairly long life.) When they die, you'll know it because you'll have to change your strokes to compensate.

    How much spin do you put on the ball when rallying? 200-300 rpm or ~1000 rpm? At 3.5, not likely for you to hit at 1000 rpm all the time. Even 5.0's don't hit at that high a level generally.

    Just an opinion, but I'm with your parents. When you can carve the ball thru the air and become a frequent string breaker, then would be the time for more frequent re-stringing.

    If you really want to have fresh strings on your frame all the time, I would suggest a cheap reel of anything in the < $70 range.
     
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    At 15 and 3.5 level the strings that you use are not likely making a big difference in your game. Using polyester string which goes dead may actually be detrimental to your game if you do not restring often. I would say not to worry about your equipment much, worry about how many balls you are getting back into play.

    That being said, polyester has a shorter life. Given that you string for yourself, it is very reasonable to change strings every month if you play a few times a week. My final recommendation would be to buy a reel of your favorite string and string every few weeks. 10-15 hours is ok particularly if playing singles. If you buy a reel for 80-90 dollars you are talking about 5-6 dollars each time. It costs that much for a burger these days.

    If you were using luxilon and restringing at a club for 35 dollars a pop, I would say to use ordinary synthetics. Work on consistency, repetition, and enjoy yourself.
     
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  4. tyu1314

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    Try out pros pro tennis string. They got some nice poly and cost around 2 dollar a set. Pretty sure your parent will be cool with that.:)
     
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  5. TennisCJC

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    You have several options:

    1. play a good syn gut which you can buy by the reel and a reel will range from $35 to $100 - that's 17 sets or more in a reel so your price per stringing will be between $2 and $6.
    2. hybrid poly with syn gut crosses which will reduce the price of a string job. I don't think any 3.5 player needs all poly unless you are a beast that swings huge and hits lots of topspin. A hybrid at low tension is more likely needed or even all syn gut.

    If you stay with all poly, yes you should restring every 15 hours. I have never played a poly that was not flat and dead by that time. There is a small risk of injury if you play dead poly.

    By the way, there is nothing wrong with syn gut. Jim Courier won his grand slams playing Gosen syn gut and there have been other pros that played prince syn gut. Gosen, Prince, Klip Kicker, Pro Supex Spiral Flex, and Volkl syn gut are all very good. Courier is playing syn gut mains with a poly cross today on the legends tour and he still hits it a ton with lots of spin.

    Kirshbaum and MVS also have poly reels for less than $100 - maybe try 1 set first to see if you like it before committing to a reel.
     
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  6. Stasko

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    30 hours of play with yonex poly tour pro 120 should be no problem for you. Try that string.
     
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    I use cyclone, but I hybrid it with OGSM to make it even cheaper so I don't feel guilty when I restring it. :)

    As far as $10/month for strings, really you'll spend much more than that on tennis balls or court time. If you are playing on hard courts you will wear out your shoes in a few months. If you start playing leagues/tournaments then fees and travel are much more. Tennis can be expensive, and I think a fresh set of strings if you are stringing yourself is the least of it.
     
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    3.5 Counterpuncher w/1hbh, eastern forehand, and deadly slices

    Funny stuff.
     
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  9. newpball

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    If there are no financial and time constraints I would restring as much as you like. First of all you get the best possible string bed at all times and second you gain a lot of experience stringing rackets, third it allows you to experiment and get experience testing different configurations.

    So yes, do it if you can!
     
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  10. NLBwell

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    If you are stringing yourself and like playing with polyester strings, then you should restring every 10-15 hours just to be safe for your arm.
     
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    I'm not sure you need to be playing poly at this point.
    Try a 17g Synthetic at a higher tension and see how long it lasts.
     
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    Why not just buy a gut for $30 and not worry about restringing until it breaks? You are probably not gaining much, if anything, playing poly.
     
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  13. robok9

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    Thanks for the replies. Many have suggested I play with synthetic gut or a hybrid of poly and synthetic gut, but I gave it a shot and I like full poly. I think I'll stick with Yonex ptp 120. Even after 15 hours, it's still not completely dead yet, so I think that it is definitely one of the more durable Poly's. When my birthday comes around (about a month before tennis season) I'll ask my parents to get me a real of maybe cyclone.
     
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  14. newpball

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    Just curious gameboy why are you trying so hard to discourage people from trying poly.
     
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  15. robok9

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    Lol, I've been waiting for someone to say something about that.
     
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    Honestly though, I don't know why people say that people of my level shouldn't use poly UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I've tried most other types of strings (except for natural gut) and I still like poly the best.
     
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  17. Backhanded Compliment

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    Im gonna be as simple as possible... if spin is a major part of your game then yes restring. If you hit flat... then no.

    If your parents dont see it your way and yet spin matters then get some gut and play with it for 4-6 months and forget about restringing. You wont have to restring at all aaaaand your arm will thank you.

    I see you like slice... that is why you like poly's bite. Try natural gut... it is perhaps the best slice string. That said you will need to add more tricks than slice to the arsenal.... gut will facilitate that.
     
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  18. robok9

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    Great way of explaining it. That makes me want to go out and buy a set of gut.
     
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  19. newpball

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    Yes, assuming you have no arm problems try and compare and see what you like most! If that is poly, use poly, simple!

    And ignore all this "you are not allowed to use poly until you are at my level" kind of nonsense.
     
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  20. djNEiGht

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    Consider having it strung by someone with gut experience...
     
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  21. robok9

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    Honestly, I know gut is a little tough to string (or at least to string it right), but I think I'll just look at some tips on stringing gut and do it myself. Also, I won't be posting anything about it on this thread since I've still got a set of cyclone laying around to use before I order some other strings.
     
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  22. gameboy

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    Because most people are under the delusion that polys will help their game because pros are using it, when the truth is far from it.

    Gut is, by far, the best playing string out there. Most people who try them will benefit from its power, touch, and feel. And unless you are a string breaker, it is the most economical.
     
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  23. newpball

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    So I take it you never tried poly yourself or are you a pro?

    Assuming you never tried then how do you know yourself?

    I think people should try it for themselves and decide what to take. I am a great gut fan but occasionally I try poly for the kicks and actually I find I play better with poly than with gut.
     
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    Actually, I play almost exclusively poly these days. I would LOVE to play full bed of gut or at least gut/poly hybrid, but economically, that is not possible with my Wilson Steam as I am only averaging 4 or 5 hours before breakage.

    I have tried about 15 brands of poly, 10 brands of gut, and 30 synthetics (no Kevlar, though). Polys are great for one thing, generating spin, and deficient in all other aspects. Unless your game is built on generating spin, using poly is just going to hold you back.
     
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    I see, so you are good enough for poly but most other people not and thus they should not play poly.

    Really, so you do not have good control playing with poly?
    What tension do you use?
     
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  26. Dimcorner

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    If you like poly then stick to it. I have been using yonex PTP 125 in full bed on an APD for a whole year and my arm and shoulder is fine (max 48lbs thou). I also have my own machine and re-string every 3-4 weeks. I have tried synth gut and multi and I don't play as well with it.

    I would like to try gut but it's just too expensive and too much maintenance for me.
     
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    Oddly, I know I said I prefer full poly, but today when I played, I was using my backup racquet (k blade 98 with head rip control) and... it played quite nice. Once I try the gut, I'll probably end up switching back to either poly or multi because of the price.
     
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  28. gameboy

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    I would work on reading comprehension if I were you...

    I have said consistently that if you break strings in 10 hours or less, you are ready to experiment with poly. Spin is a big part of my game, I break strings in 4 to 5 hours. Poly is the right prescription in this situation, in both spin generation and durability.

    No, I am not a big fan of poly control. As the string loses tension, the ball starts to fly and it is hard to be consistent. If I can switch out to fresh strung racquets 2 or 3 times during a match like pros do, poly would be just fine. But I cannot, and most rec players that I know cannot.

    This can be addressed somewhat by using a gut/poly hybrid, but with Steam, that is not quite economical. When I play with my old Pure Drive, I much prefer playing with the full bed of gut (they last about 8 to 10 hours). Seriously, the only reason I am using a full bed of poly is because of Steam. With any other racquet, I would not be using a full bed of poly.

    Bottom line. If you are not a string breaker, there is no string on earth better than gut for the combination of feel, power, and spin. If you cannot afford it, synth is okay. Poly's are great because they generate 10 to 20% more spin. But if you don't produce much spin to begin with, that 10 to 20% of extra spin isn't going to do you much good. I don't know why you would sacrifice feel and power for something that does not enhance your game much.

    Let me see if I can use a car analogy...

    A non-string breaker using poly is like putting on z-rated high performance tires on a Jeep. Jeep is for going off-road, using a high-speed tire is only going to hurt the off-road performance while not really improving the Jeep's 0 to 60 time. Just because bunch of Porsches have those tires does not mean a Jeep should.
     
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    Dood that's not a good analogy. I see more Jeeps on pavement than off road. Also I have seen Porsches do rally's on gravel. Also Z-rated is just one aspect of the tire. What if the Jeep wants a stiffer sidewall or a quieter ride than the off-read knobby tires? What if he (like I was considering) has 2 sets of rims, one for daily driving and one for autocrossing (or winter tires).

    By the way the Z rated tire is usually of a stickier compound and have better grip (and probably lighter) than the off road tire so it probably would improve the 0-60. Now... if you are talking 0-60 on gravel that's a whole different story :)

    Strings also have more than one characteristic, as you have mentioned. Besides longevity, there is spin, price, and maintenance. I haven't played with gut, but the price and the "it could snap on a mishit" is enough to deter me from it.
     
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  30. Mongolmike

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    I'm going to piggyback on this thread if the OP doesn't mind....

    I currently use full poly between 52# and 56# depending on the weather temp and brand of poly. I restring each racquet about every two weeks.

    If I was to try full gut what would I string it at to get the same sort of effect as the poly... 60#? 64#? Certainly more than the 54# I do my poly at, right?

    And if I was to hybrid it with poly, considering I like my poly at 54#... what would I string the gut at, and would I keep the poly half at 54#?

    Thanks
     
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  31. newpball

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    Sorry but I think this is sheer exaggeration.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    If I compare 18g 56lb RPM Blast, 16g 42lb RPM Team and 15g 60lb gut on an ADP I definitely get the best control and spin with the 56lb RPM blast.

    Currently I have the gut and so far I do not like it very much, it feels very boardy and feels definitely less powerful than the 42lb RPM Team. Actually I like poly but not with low tension, I would not want to play poly lower than 50lb. But regardless of tension with the gut I have to play very differently than with the poly.

    For instance the range between soft and hard for gut is much bigger than for poly, this means that playing with gut is actually harder, because if you hit too soft the ball goes into the net, you hit to hard the ball flies out. With 56lb poly the range is much less narrow, so more control. To stay with car analogies, with gut you have to try to park your car in the second gear while with poly you park it in the first gear.

    Also I find the feel with poly much better than with gut, don't misunderstand me, it does not 'feel' better as in comfort but the feel is better in terms of felling where the ball is going.

    You don't like poly, OK good for you, everybody's mileage varies. But it seems you are not willing to accept the idea of different strokes for different folks and that some people actually prefer poly even when they do not break string after 4 hours.

    Poly just plays differently than gut, you can't really change that by using different tensions.

    However if I compare a 16g 42lb poly with a 15g 60lb gut I find the gut more bordy than the poly and power is actually less.
     
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  32. gameboy

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    If that is your opinion, that poly feels better than gut, then there is really nothing else to discuss as you are crazy. Like arguing that McDonald hamburger is better than Kobe steak crazy.

    BTW, pros prefer the control of poly, because its low powered and they can swing harder, which in turn generates more spin and provides more margin for error, and not because they can place the ball with more accuracy. A primary serve and volley player would not use a full bed of poly. Hell Fed doesn't use full poly for this reason.
     
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  33. stringmaster

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    No restringing that much wouldnt make much of a difference at your level
     
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    You don't seem to realize that because you have to hit harder you can place the ball with more accuracy.

    By analogy:

    What do you think would be easier park a car in fourth or in first gear? In fourth gear the is no room for error, you have to press the gas pedal exactly right or you stop or shoot forward, however in first gear you have much more margin to work with. Same with a bike, try to stand still with a bike, do you think that is easier in first or fifteenth gear?
     
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  35. robok9

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    Just played with my gut/poly hybrid today (pacific classic gut with volkl cyclone). All I can say is wow. It feels so soft, yet there is literally NO loss of spin from full poly (maybe more spin). I would say the most unique thing is that it allows me to hit more penetrating shots. I tend to hit very shallow, but this definitely helped me produce more power.
     
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  36. Ronaldo

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    10-15 hrs is 2 wks?
     
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  37. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    If you don't break your strings in under in 10-15 hours, you don't need to string your rackets every 10-15 hours. Enjoy the time you have now of not being a string breaker. Also, if you want the best equipment, you'd be spending way more than $10 per stringjob.

    The best equipment will not make you a better player. Some people play well with terrible equipment (Nadal and his Duralast). What makes you a better player is your work ethic, your game, and your mentality and physicality when using your game. Translation: practice, practice, practice; and if you're not practicing, work out and run some miles. Stay within your limits though, cause injury is the worst thing an athlete looking to reach the top can face.
     
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    I'm not sure if this applies to everyone. My experience is that Poly, SG and Multi get stiffer and more uncomfortable to play as it approaches end of life. Multi less so than Poly and SG. It could play "stiff" for several hours before the string actually breaks.

    I cut my strings out as soon as I feel the bed get stiffer. Maybe my arm/shoulder/elbow is more sensitive but I don't want any pain or discomfort.

    That said, I know people who have never re-strung their racquets with Multi/Synthetic/Poly... Like been playing for several years. I have no idea why their arms don't fall off. It's got to be like hitting the ball with a 2x4.
     
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