At their peaks, Nadal or Sampras?

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At their peaks, Nadal or Sampras?

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  1. vtmike

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    So who would dominate & have a better H2H if both Nadal & Sampras played each others in their primes?

    I thought it would be Sampras because of his consistent powerful serve & volleying skills...but then when I look at Nadal's amazing defense and forehand, it makes me think twice...
     
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  2. deltox

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    this one is quite simple

    nadal on clay, sampras on grass nadal at AO sampras at USO
     
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  3. vtmike

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    Not surface specific...According to you its Sampras in their overall H2H...lets see what the poll says
     
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    There is no way to answer this question and you have provided a third choice like the other thread, which was pen*s LOL
     
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  5. NamRanger

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    Sampras would lead in the H2H since he's not good enough to meet Nadal on clay, and Nadal is good enough to meet him on HCs, Grass, Indoors, etc. However Sampras is too dominant on these surfaces.
     
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    I know tough choice...don't just take the easy way out...just follow your heart and vote for one ;)
     
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    i attacked the 4 majors. with a 2 - 2 split. slower surfaces favor nadal, while faster ones favor sampras. it would depend each year on which tourneys each of them played. they both dominate in their own ways on their own surfaces
     
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    So Sampras would own Nadal on everything except hardcourts according to you...I kinda wanted to go in the same direction but Nadal is not just a clay player anymore...It might be closer than you think
     
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    50-50 in Dubai or fast Wimbledon, Nadal easy everywhere else.
     
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    No vote for Nadal so far.... Some people should start voting for Nadal. He deserves more than this.
     
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    Yeah finally Nadal gets a few votes...I honestly thought it would be closer than that!
     
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    sampras wins everything except clay
     
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    This would be a way better rivalry than Federer vs Nadal. Federer is simply not a worthy enough rival for either Sampras or Nadal. Sampras vs Nadal would truly be a battle of the heavyweights. A prime Edberg or Becker might be a closer rival with prime Federer.
     
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    Yes all that's fine but the choice is between Nadal & Sampras...who would you chose and why?
     
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    Lol, it sounds absurd, but prime Becker and Edberg were actually THAT GOOD. They would definitely put up a good rivalry with Federer.
     
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    I agree. In fact seeing how much Federer at a still relatively young age struggles with Murray and Djokovic, it makes me question his chances vs even a prime Becker and Edberg. Federer would be more competitive than he could ever be vs Sampras or Nadal I still think, but it would be far from easy.
     
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    I give the overrall edge to Pete. Nadal would get his share of wins on the slower courts maybe the AO and French definitely where he would dominate. But Pete would dominate at Wimbeldon, USO, and Indoor surfaces. We never got to see them play each other but Nadal has never had to deal with someone with the attack, agressiveness, serve, net play, and mental toughness that Pete possessed. Nadal has never had to deal with a player like Pete. Its all about matchups and I think Roger presents a tougher matchup to Pete than Nadal ever would.
     
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  18. VivalaVida

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    yep. sampras was in his prime when a undeveloped federer kicked his ass at wimbledon. Federer would own sampras at the H2H. :D
     
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    agree

    I think it goes lopsided towards pete actually. I don't see them meeting that much on clay and I favor pete on grass and all the hardcourts in my eyes. I don't think Nadal could really do much damage against pete on most hardcourts he is 50/50 on slow at best.
     
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    This is simply a match-up issue. Sampras simply will not play Nadal's game, whether he's losing or not. Sampras is going to impose his will from point 1, and usually he succeeds. Especially against players like Nadal with a relatively average return / serve.
     
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    You mean a prime Sampras who won 0 tournament in 2001? :confused:
     
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    I voted for Sampras but I think Nadal would give him a battle on any surface except maybe very fast hard courts or indoors, but I still think Nadal has improvement left on those surfaces. On grass Sampras would be favored but Nadal would give him a battle and could beat him on a given day. On slow to medium hard courts Nadal would have a pretty good chance, but Sampras is alot tougher than some credit him for being on those surfaces. On clay of course Nadal would be far too much.
     
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    So according to you Nadal would dominate until the grass court season begins and then its Petes turn...Interesting...I thought you would say that Sampras would dominate Nadal in AO...I know its relatively slower than USO but still hardcourts nonetheless...You think AO surface is slow enough to make Pete's serve and volley ineffective?
     
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    It's not; speed really doesn't matter when Nadal's return game is too poor to beat Sampras. Do realize that a bum 2001 Sampras took Agassi to 5 sets at the AO and was winning until something happened to his hip. 2001 is what is considered a pretty damn good year for Agassi also.
     
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    do you think i was being serious? also, sampras fans are just adamant that federer is still in his prime but guess what? federer is also slamless and has 0 tournaments but somehow, he is in his prime while sampras wasnt in 2001. do you see the double standard?
     
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  26. grafselesfan

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    That match you refer to was at the 2000 AO, not 2001, and Sampras was alot stronger in 2000 than 2001. The Australian Open was Agassi's only title in 2000 so it actually wasnt nearly as good a year for him as 1999, 2001, 2002, or even 2003. Still I agree with your overall point. Nadal's return game actually is extremely good vs other baseliners, for someone like Sampras he would have to adjust it if he could.
     
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    No Sampras wouldnt dominate at the AO. He was good there but I dont think he was great there . Picked up 2 slams at the AO but from Wimbeldon to the end of the season I think pete would own that. Like he usually did. Nadal would reign supreme probably the first half of the year. But I dont think Nadal would dominate Sampras by any means at the AO. It may be 50/50 there. Who knows. Its pure speculation.
     
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    That's one way of looking at it...so that just leaves the FO for Nadal...I don't know...I don't think we are giving too much credit to Nadal's return game and his will to win against Sampras...but maybe I am wrong and underestimating Sampras' serve and volley skills
     
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    I would give the edge to Sampras cause of his serve and his attacking style of play.
    Sampras has no shot on clay however he will come thru against nadal on grass, hard and fast indoors. You can't compare nadal to the current crop of players. Sure he does win on the hard courts but Sampras has a pure serve and volley game that can trouble Nadal, not to mention coming up with bombs at the most relevant time.
    Pistol Pete all the way baby!
     
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    Look at how Nadal deals with Roddick's serve, and multiply that by 3. He already has problems dealing with Roddick's serve, giving up plenty of free points. Imagine Sampras who is far more accurate, better disguise, and can still bring the hammer.
     
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  31. vtmike

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    You maybe right...look at the poll...Nadal not even close!
     
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    The problem for Nadal is he is not very good at returning really big serves eg. Karlovic. If he goes up against Sampras, I have no doubt that he'll struggle to return Sampras' serve back in play.
     
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    The things is Nadal can pepper a baseliner's BH such as Roger's all day and exploit it to the utmost. How can you attack that BH when the opposing has the game to not let that happen? Thats a big advantage when looking at an attacker. Pete will let Nadal attack that BH so long until Pete would find another way to win. Pete had the luxury as well as guys like Goran, Becker, Edberg etc, where if their baseline game wasnt clicking they could resort to their great volleying skills.
     
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    Sampras was in his prime from 1993 to 1998. Federer of 2003 to 2008 gets crushed by Pete just as Fed has been crushed by Nadal.
    Fed's little block backs of Roddick's serves would be simple volley put aways for Pete. It is a huge mistake to believe that because Fed gets away with that with Roddick's serve that he would get away with it playing Pete.
     
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    And a struggled return allows Sampras to get right up to that net and capitalize on it. With either a drop volley or a well executed shot.
     
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    His little blocked returns are even proving to be worthless vs Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray who take that weak floaty return and punish the first groundstroke off of it and put Federer on his heels immediately. So imagine how ineffective it would be with Sampras waiting at the net for the first volley.
     
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    Yeah you know this because you are pete sampras :rolleyes: I dont believe a word of it. There is obvious bias towards federer. Oh and what makes you think federer cant hit passing shots huh? If you watched any of the 2001 match, which was played on the fast grass, federer took care of his own service game very well. On todays grass, where baselines like fed and nadal rule,federer would murder pete. This all pure speculation that will never happen except fantasy land.
     
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    2001 Sampras was not comparable to 1998 Sampras. It is like comparing 2009 Roger to 2007 Roger.
     
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    Roger so far has lost to his own admirer(Wawinkra) already. I'd say that's more embarrassing than losing to a young rising superstar. :)
     
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    Yawn!

    Let Federer close his kickass losing H2H against Nadal, before we get to how he'd fare against Pete!

     
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    thank you. That is what i wanted to hear. You see sampras fans are saying that current federer is in his prime and his competition of djokovic, murray, and nadal are just too good for him even though he still plays at the same level as his prime :rolleyes: I was just using their logic against them.
     
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    you have misunderstood the point of my post. I really dont care if federer is the best ever or better than nadal or sampras. I was trying to prove a point that federer is not in his prime to some sampras fan. sorry about that.
     
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    Both incredibly great players, Sampras & Nadal. Therefore I don't know if it'll ever be possible to accurately determine who'll come out on top.

    In my opinion though, as great a player as Nadal is, I find it diffcult to see him having a winning H2H against a prime Sampras.
     
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    No apology necessary Viva . It's all in the game! :)

     
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    pete is not going to win a heck of a lot of baseline rallies against nadal, on any surface. pete was a fantastic baseliner in his prime, but the action on nadal's shots takes the ball well out of his strike zone, even on a fast surface. he wouldn't be seeing the agassi-style, right in his wheelhouse balls he could pound back with interest. nor is he going to just run around taking every ball off the short hop, his strokes weren't grooved for that, and nobody could make a living doing that besides maybe andre or rios, anyway.

    no doubt pete would hold serve pretty comfortably, with clay being a little more problematic.

    it would come down to pete rolling the dice on the nadal serve, taking the biggest cuts he could, and hoping to string together a few in a row. chipping and charging against rafa is a recipe for disaster, pass city, all day long. you need to crush the return against him.

    bottom line, a close match on most surfaces, blowout on clay for nadal. lots of tiebreakers on slow hardcourts, pete probably gets a break a set on indoor/super slick HC.
     
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    I see where you're coming from but Sampras made 1 final in 2001 & won nothing of significance.

    Federer has made the final of all 4 most recent grand slams. He isn't too far off his prime. Sampras on the other hand, IMO, was done by 2001. The 2002 U.S. Open victory was an exception, not the rule and it's an indication of his greatness that he could still win it.

     
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    Pete would obviously S&V vs nadal most the time.

    and davy does pretty well on the short hop also.
     
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    Alright but lets just stick to Nadal and Sampras here please...
     
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    you make a good point. I think federer is not far of his prime in slams but at the masters and tournaments alike I dont know what he is doing. He can gain some confidence if he wins those. All in all you are right and as I said I was joking in that post :D
     
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    Look at the people Nadal has lost to. Big serving, heavy flat hitters. That is exactly Sampras's game. On clay the ball slows down enough for Nadal to handle it. Everywhere else not a chance. If DelPotro can beat Nadal on a medium paced hard court, Sampras would destroy him. People seem to forget that not only did Sampras have the best serve and one of the best volleys ever in the game, but in his prime he also had the best and most feared forehand in the game. A FLAT driving forehand which always gives Nadal trouble, no matter what court he is on. Plus, Sampras would hardly ever have to hit a backhand, and his backhand was probably in the top 10 in the world in his prime. Just ask Agassi. How many times in the USO finals did Sampras whale on a BH down the line to blow away Agassi because Agassi was so afraid of the forehand?
     
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