At this point, Nadal is likely to wind back at #2 before French Open!

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  1. JennyS

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    With Murray and Djokovic dropping points like flies and Davydenko and Del Potro both injured, anyone think Nadal could wind up #2 before the French Open? I think Nadal has a much better chance of defending his 3 titles and 1 runner up than Djokovic does of defending his 2 Masters finals and semifinal.

    After the Aussie this seemed hard to believe but I think Nadal has a shot at being #2.
     
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  2. flyinghippos101

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    Yes, If he defends his clay court titles, which he probably will and maybe cutting out something like barcelona. Then order will be restored.
     
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    he has to make it past the QF of miami and defend monte carlo and rome
    don't forget nadal is still mentally weak and he isnt that great on hard court events

    Miami
    3rd round Nalbandian
    4th karlovic or ferrer
    QF Tsonga or JCF or isner
    SF roddick , belluci , chardy

    doesnt look like nadal will have a fun time playing these guys
     
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    Oh.... dont say that
     
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  5. Atherton2003

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    Nadal hardly has any points to defend after the Rome tournament - he was either injured or knocked out of the remainder of tournaments very early on....
     
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    I hope not...because he would be seeded #2. He's the only one who can end Fed's semifinal streak :D
     
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  7. IvanAndreevich

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    There is hardly anything after Rome before the FO. That's Madrid, and I don't think final points is "nothing".

    I just hope that he's inside the Top 4 so he doesn't meet Fed before the semis at the FO. Wouldn't want the semis streak to end this way :)
     
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  8. Atherton2003

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    IF Shakira stays away from him, he will move up in the rankings - she is why he is always "injured".
     
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  9. Semi-Pro

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    Don't worry tournament directors will always make sure they are on opposite sides of the draw, hoping for that Fed VS Nadal final ;)
     
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  10. Atherton2003

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    Fed. vs. Nadal would be awesome.
     
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    Yeah, its been way too long.
     
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    i always knew people were too quick to dismiss Rafa. being #2 before the French will be perfect so that they can avoid each other (Fed) till the Final
     
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    whether if he's ranked from 1 to 4, the earliest he can meet Federer at the slame is in the semifinal. So no, his streak would end BEFORE facing Nadal.
     
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    I think he can push back to his number 2 spot.
     
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  15. JennyS

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    points on Monday:
    Djokovic: 7390
    Nadal: 6980

    Nadal is now only 410 points behind Djokovic and it's looking very likely that Nadal is going to defend more of his points than Djoker.
     
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    They can't do that, can they? That would be rigging.
     
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    ARRRGHHHHH!!!

    This is pathetic...
     
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  18. JennyS

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    Well Djkovic and Murray have fallen off a tennis cliff in recent months and Rafa made the semis of IW and Miami and won Monte Carlo.

    And I've been thinking, with Rafa practically being a shoe in to win almost every claycourt event he enters, would his ranking go up if he skipped 2 hardcourt Masters series events and added 3 claycourt events to replace them?

    Example: What if he played Buenos Aires, Acapulco and Indian Wells but then skipped Miami and played Hamburg and skipped Canada? He might actually earn more points that way.
     
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  19. clayman2000

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    He cant skip Canada. But playing Hamburg would actually be a good idea. I personally think that he should play at least 1 tourney in between Wimbledon and Canada. If you look at Rafa's best summers and falls (05 and 08) he was very active in June, July. His worst years (06, 09) he didnt play anything in the summer months.
     
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  20. batz

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    I agree with this. Rafa looks impregnable on the dirt - Novak is still patchy at best. I too think Rafa will be back to number 2 by RG.
     
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    As a guy who likes Djoker I have to say that he does not look like a nr.2. He should have been on a tear in 2010 but he has had some really disappointing results lately and his attitude is not what it should be. And I don't see how you can make a case for Rafa not deserving nr.2 spot right now:

    Murray is nowhere to be seen mentally since AO final and has had some pretty embarrassing results. After becoming nr.2 Djoker has won Dubai,made SF in Rotterdam,4R in IW,1R in Miami,SF in MC but in the last three he lost against guys he should be winning against. Yes,even Verdasco on clay,IMO Novak is better than Dasco on clay.

    Meanwhile Rafa has made one final doha which he blew big time,made QF in AO,2 SF in Miami and IW(and IMO he should have made at least one final in one of these if not both) and now won MC. Besides Murray's feat of reaching the AO final Rafa's 2010 is looking better than Murray's and Djoker's and these guys are supposed to be overtaking him. And mind you,Nadal wasn't exactly in the best shape mentally coming into 2010.

    Tennis is weird sometimes.
     
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  22. batz

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    You said it mate. Who would have thought Rafa and Murray would be in their repspective places today when they walked off court after their AO QF?

    Things sure change quickly in tennis.
     
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  23. clayman2000

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    Thing with Nadal, is that we know he superior to everyone on clay, and even on a HC, hes gotten to the point where the Berdych's, Gonzo's and Fish's dont trouble him. Murray hasnt reached that stage yet.

    Fact is, that after Wimbledon, Nadal will likely be no 2, and he even has a legit shot at the no 1 rank, if he can pull a double.
     
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    Funny isn't it? Djokovic spent 2008 playing great tennis and tried everything to get to number 2 in the world, and failed. Yet in 2010, he's gotten to number 2 without really having to do much. But that's the computer, it takes the last 52 weeks into account, and the rankings can sometimes take some time to reflect the current events.
     
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  25. clayman2000

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    Well he reached no 2, with the help of some great swings (clay court 09, and fall 09). Hes also been helped by the fact that Rafa couldnt win big matches late last year
     
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  26. batz

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    Rafa's withdrawal from Barca changes everything. Novak now needs to pick up 700 points before RG to take the 2nd seed slot (assuming Rafa wins Rome and Mardid). 250 are a lock (Belgrade), meaning that Novak would only need to make 1 QF and 1 semi at Rome and Madrid.
     
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  27. aldeayeah

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    I don't think it makes much of a difference whether Nadal is 2 or 3 going into RG. With Delpo as #4, the hypothetical SF and F will be tough regardless of the draw.
     
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    Delpo needs to take 120 points more than Murray from Rome and Madrid combined to be 4th seed at RG. Now I'm not saying that won't happen - but it's hardly certain that Delpo will actually play both of them.
     
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    ^^Has Del Potro yet to announce if he's playing Rome?
     
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    If he becomes #2 then he may draw Del Potro which is the best scenario for Rodge
     
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    Why woudl it matter, I was hopoing he would end up in Roger's draw so we could put all this arguing to rest LOL
     
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    There is only one scenario for Roger, to have someone else defeat Nadal for himLOL
     
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    unfortunately, i think he's peaking too soon. i don't think he'll make it to the finals at Roland Garros. I have a feeling Fed won't either. I think there will be someone else to emerge.
     
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    Djokoer was never a real #2, just like Rafa was never a real #1.
     
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    Incorrect.
     
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    true story.
     
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    Rafa had one of the best performances on record from the early part of 2008 until AO 2009. Not only he was #1, but he did so in an extremely dominating fashion. No sense in denying that. Does that make him the GOAT? Of course not. As for Djoker, I actually think he has never deserved to be #2, because when he was playing his best he had the misfortune of having Fed and Rafa locked into the top two spots. Paradoxically, he got to #2 playing not so well, and only because of Rafa disaster last year.
     
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    Yes one of the best performances in 2008 AFTER Roger's 2004, 2006, AND 2007 :). Sorry but Rafa 2008 pales in comparison. And on top of that with Roger not 100%! That you would even mention GOAT (albeit negatively) in the above is, well, ridiculous.
     
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    It's true, Rafa was unreal while #1.
     
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    There is no way I can convince you that Rafa's 2008 performance tops any of Roger's previously performances, so I'll let the facts do the talking:

    Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Australian Open, Olympic Singles Gold Medal, plus Monte Carlo, Hamburg, and Toronto.

    But it's not just the titles he won, but how he was winning them. Does 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 bring anything to memory? It certainly should.

    Rafa is just 23, and he has already achieved things Roger never will. Roger might lay claim to being the GOAT (arguably) as of now, but Nadal's achievements are undeniable. When Roger was Nadal's age, he hadn't achieved half as much. Then you consider what Rafa might have achieved last year without his serious health problems, and it puts a whole different perspective on things. And don't bring up the mono. I said "serious" health problems.
     
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    LOL. I think that's what he meant.
     
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    The age argument for the Nadaltards is going to fizzle out in a couple of years. I feel sorry for you guys, you'll have not much else to cling to. Who's denying Rafa's achievements? Why make such meaningless statements? As of now both Djoker and Delpo are closer to Rafa's achievements than Rafa is to Roger. Chew on that for a while Hoss.
     
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    I do not consider myself a *********. I'm actually quite balanced, but whatever.
    I am just noting your lack of respect for the kid. He's achieved all that he has achieved on his own, and has had to overcome quite a few hurdles in the process. Nadal always had to fight against Roger when he was starting, and to say that he has given Roger problems is a huge understatement. Roger just didn't have the same handicap to overcome as Rafa, and when he encountered it years later (in Rafa) he crumbled to the point of tears. It's really that simple. Fed might arguably be the GOAT based on raw numbers ATM, but Nadal has a few things he doesn't have:
    - Longest winning streak on a given surface.
    - Singles Olympic Gold Medal.
    - 6 Consecutive victories in the same MS tournament (and counting.)
    - A number of other records which I'm not going to explain (like fastest player to win 5, 10, and 15 MS titles.)

    And so that you can see I can lower myself to your level, the most important record of all:
    - Made Roger cry (no tears of joy) twice in a GS final in the span of 9 months. :p
     
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    Most Nadaltards don't consider themselves one kid. But if it walks like an ape it probably is one. :)
     
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  45. Jchurch

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    Roger has achieved many more things that Rafa has or ever will. It is rather stupid to compare them in that respect.

    They play two different styles of tennis. One relies more on athletic ability and the other on precision, refinement of strokes, and playing aggressive tennis. Can't fairly compare the two. Hewitt achieved more than both at an earlier age? Does that make him better or detract from either Nadal or Federer's Achievements? Not at all. Federer's style usually takes longer to develop than Nadal's baseline grinding style. To me that is only a plus for Federer, showing that despite be a late bloomer he has still achieved all of this.

    You also have to consider that the style Rafa plays leaves him vulnerable to those serious injuries. As well as a host of other problems.
     
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    I thought I was keeping this civil, but you sure are living up to your reputation. Well done, kid. No wonder you get into trouble and then come out crying when you **** someone off more than you were expecting, huh? :lol:
     
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    You haven't watched tennis for very long I take it. Your knowledge is very puerile.
     
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    Fair enough. I never said Rafa has achieved (or will achieve) everything Fed has achieved (or will end up achieving.) All that I said was that Rafa has achieved things that Roger never will either, and which stand on their own merits. I truly admire Roger's game. He has one of the most beautiful games I have ever seen when he is on (could even see that in a couple of points against Berdych in Miami.) But Rafa is unbelievable on his own. Which I think is why they produce such good matches when they play together. Completely different styles of play, yes.
     
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    Do you know what an ad hominem circumstantial fallacy is? Because your response is absolutely irrelevant to the part of the message which you are quoting.

    But since we are on topic, how long have you watched tennis for, and how is your knowledge of it superior to mine?
     
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  50. doom

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    Nadal did not win the Aus Open in 2008. He has never won 3 slams in 1 calender year. Though Nadal did hold all of those in a 1 year period.
     
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