ATP 5-set Records (five set)

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    Verdasco / Ferrer Updated

    Verdasco / Ferrer Updated

    With Verdasco's win tonight, both are now 13/8 (61.90%)
     
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    Youzhny d. Wawrinka (USO 2010)

    Wawrinka updated... no record for Youzhny :)
     
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    I'll do one for Youzhny now.
     
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    Mikhail Youzhny's 5-set record is 18-12 (a 60 winning percentage):

    2002 Wimbledon R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. Gaston Gaudio (6-0, 1-6, 7-6, 5-7, 6-4)
    2002 Stuttgart F: Mikhail Youzhny def. Guillermo Canas (6-3, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4)
    2002 Davis Cup F: Mikhail Youzhny def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4)
    2003 Australian Open R16: Andy Roddick def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-7, 3-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
    2003 Davis Cup 1R: Mikhail Youzhny def. Radek Stepanek (3-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-2, 6-3)
    2003 French Open R64: Attila Savolt def. Mikhail Youzhny (3-6, 6-4, 5-7, 6-2, 6-4)
    2003 US Open R128: Antony Dupuis def. Mikhail Youzhny (5-7, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3, 7-5)
    2004 French Open R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. Andrei Pavel (6-7, 7-6, 1-6, 7-6, 6-2)
    2004 US Open R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. David Nalbandian (6-7, 6-4, 7-5, 2-6, 6-4)
    2004 US Open R32: Tomas Berdych def. Mikhail Youzhny (2-6, 6-1, 6-3, 4-6, 6-1)
    2005 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
    2005 US Open R32: Xavier Malisse def. Mikhail Youzhny (5-7, 1-6, 6-1, 7-5, 7-6)
    2005 Davis Cup SF: Ivan Ljubicic def. Mikhail Youzhny (3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 4-6, 6-4)
    2006 US Open R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. Nicolas Massu (5-7, 6-7, 6-4, 6-3, 6-0)
    2007 Davis Cup QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Richard Gasquet (6-2, 6-3, 6-7, 5-7, 8-6)
    2007 Wimbledon R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. Gilles Simon (6-4, 4-6, 3-6, 7-5, 6-4)
    2007 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (4-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
    2008 Wimbledon R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. Stefano Galvani (4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 3-6, 6-3)
    2008 Wimbledon R32: Mikhail Youzhny def. Radek Stepanek (7-5, 6-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3)
    2010 Australian Open R128: Mikhail Youzhny def. Richard Gasquet (6-7, 4-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-4)
    2010 Wimbledon R64: Paul-Henri Mathieu def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-4, 2-6, 2-6, 6-3, 6-4)
    2010 US Open QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Stanislas Wawrinka (3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-3)
    2011 Australian Open R64: Mikhail Youzhny def. Blaz Kavcic (6-3, 6-1, 5-7, 4-6, 6-1)
    2011 Wimbledon R128: Mikhail Youzhny def. Juan Monaco (4-6, 6-2, 6-2, 4-6, 6-4)
    2011 Davis Cup: Mikhail Youzhny def. Thomaz Bellucci (2-6, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 14-12)
    2012 Australian Open R128: Andrey Golubev def. Mikhail Youzhny (7-5, 6-7, 6-4, 4-6, 6-3)
    2012 Wimbledon R16: Mikhail Youzhny def. Denis Istomin (6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)
    2012 US Open R128: Gilles Muller def. Mikhail Youzhny (2-6, 3-6, 7-5, 7-6, 7-6)
    2013 Australian Open R128: Mikhail Youzhny def. Matthew Ebden (4-6, 6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-3)
    2013 Australian Open R64: Evgeny Donskoy def. Mikhail Youzhny (3-6, 7-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-3)
     
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    Record created and OP updated :)
     
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    Guillermo Vilas' 5-set record is 29-22 (a 56.86 winning percentage):

    1968 Buenos Aires R32: Guillermo Vilas def. Carlos Alberto Fernandes (6-0, 2-6, 6-3, 4-6, 7-5)
    1970 Davis Cup: Patricio Cornejo def. Guillermo Vilas (3-6, 0-6, 6-2, 6-2, 6-2)
    1971 Buenos Aires R16: Cliff Richey def. Guillermo Vilas (3-6, 6-4, 4-6, 7-6, 6-2)
    1972 Bournemouth R32: Guillermo Vilas def. Patricio Rodriguez (5-7, 6-8, 6-1, 6-3, 6-4)
    1972 French Open R64: Guillermo Vilas def. Bob Hewitt (0-6, 8-6, 8-6, 2-6, 6-2)
    1972 French Open R32: Guillermo Vilas def. Szabolcz Baranyi (3-6, 6-2, 5-7, 8-6, 6-3)
    1972 French Open R16: Harold Solomon def. Guillermo Vilas (3-6, 8-10, 6-2, 6-4, 6-4)
    1973 Davis Cup: Patricio Cornejo def. Guillermo Vilas (11-13, 6-1, 9-7, 3-6, 6-1)
    1974 Hamburg SF: Hans-Joachim Ploetz def. Guillermo Vilas (6-3, 4-6, 4-6, 7-6, 6-0)
    1974 Rome SF: Bjorn Borg def. Guillermo Vilas (2-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
    1974 French Open R32: Manuel Orantes def. Guillermo Vilas (3-6, 3-6, 7-6, 6-3, 6-2)
    1974 Wimbledon R64: Guillermo Vilas def. Marty Riessen (7-9, 6-1, 6-4, 3-6, 6-1)
    1974 US Open R128: Guillermo Vilas def. Ferdi Taygan (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 2-6, 6-3)
    1974 Masters F: Guillermo Vilas def. Ilie Nastase (7-6, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4)
    1975 Wimbledon QF: Roscoe Tanner def. Guillermo Vilas (6-4, 5-7, 6-8, 6-2, 6-2)
    1975 US Open SF: Manuel Orantes def. Guillermo Vilas (4-6, 1-6, 6-2, 7-5, 6-4)
    1976 Davis Cup: Guillermo Vilas def. Patricio Cornejo (6-2, 6-8, 6-1, 4-6, 6-2)
    1976 Wimbledon R16: Guillermo Vilas def. Tony Roche (6-4, 3-6, 5-7, 6-3, 6-4)
    1976 Masters SF: Wojtek Fibak def. Guillermo Vilas (6-2, 6-2, 5-7, 3-6, 8-6)
    1977 Kitzbuhel F: Guillermo Vilas def. Jan Kodes (5-7, 6-2, 4-6, 6-3, 6-2)
    1977 Paris Outdoor SF: Guillermo Vilas def. Patrick Proisy (3-6, 6-2, 5-7, 6-1, 6-2)
    1977 Aix-en-Provence SF: Guillermo Vilas def. Eric Deblicker (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-3, 6-1)
    1978 French Open R64: Guillermo Vilas def. Billy Martin (6-2, 2-6, 3-6, 6-2, 6-4)
    1978 French Open QF: Guillermo Vilas def. Hans Gildemeister (6-4, 2-6, 6-1, 3-6, 6-3)
    1978 US Open R16: Butch Walts def. Guillermo Vilas (6-4, 7-6, 4-6, 6-7, 6-2)
    1978 Australian Open QF: Guillermo Vilas def. Tony Roche (3-6, 6-1, 3-6, 6-3, 6-2)
    1979 Davis Cup: Hans Gildemeister def. Guillermo Vilas (2-6, 6-1, 1-6, 7-5, 1-2 ret.)
    1979 Rome F: Vitas Gerulaitis def. Guillermo Vilas (6-7, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-2)
    1979 French Open R16: Guillermo Vilas def. Gene Mayer (7-5, 1-6, 6-7, 6-1, 6-2)
    1979 US Open R32: Guillermo Vilas def. Erik Van Dillen (2-6, 7-5, 6-7, 6-2, 6-1)
    1979 Australian Open QF: Guillermo Vilas def. Phil Dent (6-2, 3-6, 7-6, 4-6, 6-2)
    1980 Davis Cup: Guillermo Vilas def. Tomas Koch (6-3, 4-6, 4-6, 6-2, 6-1)
    1980 Davis Cup: Guillermo Vilas def. Carlos Kirmayr (2-6, 6-3, 6-8, 6-3, 6-3)
    1980 Davis Cup: Guillermo Vilas def. John McEnroe (6-2, 4-6, 6-3, 2-6, 6-4)
    1980 Hamburg F: Harold Solomon def. Guillermo Vilas (6-7, 6-2, 6-4, 2-6, 6-3)
    1980 US Open R32: Guillermo Vilas def. Francisco Gonzalez (3-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
    1980 Madrid F: Jose-Luis Clerc def. Guillermo Vilas (6-3, 1-6, 1-6, 6-4, 6-2)
    1980 Barcelona F: Ivan Lendl def. Guillermo Vilas (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 4-6, 6-1)
    1980 Australian Open QF: Guillermo Vilas def. John Sadri (7-5, 6-4, 2-6, 4-6, 6-3)
    1980 Australian Open SF: Kim Warwick def. Guillermo Vilas (6-7, 6-4, 6-2, 2-6, 6-4)
    1981 Wimbledon R128: Mark Edmondson def. Guillermo Vilas (6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 4-6, 6-3)
    1982 Davis Cup 1R: Guillermo Vilas def. Yannick Noah (6-1, 4-6, 7-5, 3-6, 7-5)
    1982 Madrid F: Guillermo Vilas def. Ivan Lendl (6-7, 4-6, 6-0, 6-3, 6-3)
    1982 US Open R16: Guillermo Vilas def. Steve Denton (3-6, 4-6, 6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
    1982 WCT Baltimore F: Paul McNamee def. Guillermo Vilas (4-6, 7-5, 7-5, 2-6, 6-3)
    1983 French Open QF: Jose Higueras def. Guillermo Vilas (6-2, 6-7, 6-1, 4-6, 6-1)
    1983 Wimbledon R128: Nduka Odizor def. Guillermo Vilas (3-6, 5-7, 7-6, 7-5, 6-2)
    1983 US Open R64: Guillermo Vilas def. Tom Cain (6-7, 6-3, 6-3, 2-6, 6-2)
    1985 US Open R128: Guillermo Vilas def. Wally Masur (7-6, 6-7, 6-4, 3-6, 6-1)
    1986 French Open R16: Guillermo Vilas def. Guy Forget (6-2, 3-6, 4-6, 6-1, 8-6)
    1986 US Open R128: Paul McNamee def. Guillermo Vilas (7-5, 5-7, 2-6, 6-1, 6-3)
     
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    Roscoe Tanner's 5-set record is 16-14 (a 53.33 winning percentage):

    1971 US Open R64: Roscoe Tanner def. John Cooper (5-7, 7-6, 6-7, 7-5, 6-3)
    1972 Wimbledon R128: Roscoe Tanner def. Jairo Velasco Jr. (6-3, 2-6, 6-4, 7-9, 7-5)
    1972 US Open R64: Roscoe Tanner def. Bob Carmichael (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 3-6, 7-6)
    1972 US Open QF: Tom Gorman def. Roscoe Tanner (7-6, 5-7, 7-6, 5-7, 6-4)
    1974 US Open R64: Roscoe Tanner def. Roger Taylor (3-6, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6, 6-3)
    1974 US Open R32: Roscoe Tanner def. Ilie Nastase (4-6, 6-7, 7-5, 6-4, 6-4)
    1974 US Open R16: Roscoe Tanner def. Ismail El Shafei (6-3, 6-7, 7-5, 6-7, 7-6)
    1975 French Open R32: John Andrews def. Roscoe Tanner (3-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
    1975 Wimbledon QF: Roscoe Tanner def. Guillermo Vilas (6-4, 5-7, 6-8, 6-2, 6-2)
    1976 US Open R16: Ilie Nastase def. Roscoe Tanner (7-5, 6-7, 1-6, 7-6, 6-4)
    1977 Challenge Cup F: Jimmy Connors def. Roscoe Tanner (6-2, 5-6, 3-6, 6-2, 6-5)
    1977 Sydney Outdoor F: Roscoe Tanner def. Brian Teacher (6-3, 3-6, 6-3, 6-7, 6-4)
    1977 Australian Open (Dec) R64: Chris Lewis def. Roscoe Tanner (3-6, 6-3, 6-2, 1-6, 6-4)
    1978 Wimbledon R128: Roscoe Tanner def. Ismail El Shafei (8-9, 1-6, 6-2, 9-7, 6-2)
    1979 Wimbledon F: Bjorn Borg def. Roscoe Tanner (6-7, 6-1, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
    1979 US Open SF: Vitas Gerulaitis def. Roscoe Tanner (3-6, 2-6, 7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
    1980 Wimbledon QF: Jimmy Connors def. Roscoe Tanner (1-6, 6-2, 4-6, 6-2, 6-2)
    1980 US Open QF: Bjorn Borg def. Roscoe Tanner (6-4, 3-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
    1981 Philadelphia SF: Roscoe Tanner def. Thierry Tulasne (7-6, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4)
    1981 Davis Cup 1R: Raul Ramirez def. Roscoe Tanner (3-6, 8-6, 6-3, 8-10, 6-3)
    1981 WCT Dallas QF: Roscoe Tanner def. Vijay Amritraj (6-2, 1-6, 2-6, 7-6, 6-4)
    1981 WCT Dallas SF: Johan Kriek def. Roscoe Tanner (7-6, 6-3, 4-6, 0-6, 6-4)
    1981 Davis Cup SF: Roscoe Tanner def. Peter McNamara (6-4, 6-4, 4-6, 3-6, 6-2)
    1981 Australian Open R32: Rod Frawley def. Roscoe Tanner (3-6, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
    1982 Wimbledon R32: Roscoe Tanner def. Vijay Amritraj (6-4, 6-4, 4-6, 4-6, 6-3)
    1982 US Open R128: Roscoe Tanner def. Per Hjertquist (2-6, 6-1, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
    1982 US Open R64: Chip Hooper def. Roscoe Tanner (6-7, 7-6, 4-6, 7-5, 7-6)
    1983 US Open R64: Roscoe Tanner def. Sandy Mayer (7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 3-6, 7-6)
    1983 US Open R32: Johan Kriek def. Roscoe Tanner (6-7, 3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6)
    1983 Australian Open R64: Roscoe Tanner def. Mike Bauer (7-6, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3, 14-12)
     
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    US Open 2010 (SF round)

    Federer/Djokovic currently involved in a 5-set USO SF match :)

    Will update, shortly
     
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    Djokovic d. Federer!

    Djokovic d. Federer!

    Nice job Novak... now Rafa is waiting for you :twisted:

    - - -

    Mustard, please update Federer's record :)
     
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    Federer record updated :)
     
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    Gracias! 8)
     
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    DC Fish d. Falla 4-6 6-1 6-4 3-6 6-4 :)
     
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    Fish and Falla's record updated :)
     
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    Must say Bud..... rather disappointed in some of your mathematical calculations.
     
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    Federer's 5 set record since 2004

    Wins:
    Agassi US Open 2004
    Nadal Miami 2005
    Haas 2006 Australian Open
    Nadal 2007 Wimbledon
    Tipsarevic 2008 Australian Open
    Andreev 2008 US Open
    Berdych 2009 Australian Open
    Haas French Open 2009
    Del Potro French Open 2009
    Roddick 2009 Wimbledon
    Falla 2010 Wimbledon


    Losses:
    Safin AO 2005
    Nalbandian Masters Cup 2005
    Nadal Rome Masters 2006
    Nadal Wimbledon 2008
    Nadal Australian Open 2009
    Del Potro US Open 2009
    Djokovic 2010 US Open

    11-7 since 2004 is not bad, given that the only time he lost was against top 3 players on a hot streak

    Safin in AO 2005 was probably in his best shape ever, saved a match point
    Nalbandian at the 2005 Masters Cup was also at his best, Fed was injured and still he lost serving for the match at 6-5 30-0
    Nadal Rome - Nadal just squeeked out a victory saving match points on clay
    Nadal played out of his mind at Wimbledon in 2008 and also barely won that match saving a break point that would give Fed a chance to serve it out
    Nadal Australian Open 2009 - the first real Fed brain cramp in a 5th set, had a lot to do with Nadal playing as good as he possibly could on a hard court
    Del Potro US Open - gave the 5th set away after having so many opportunities to finish the match in straight sets really
    Djokovic 2010 US Open - had 2 match points

    The 4-3 record in 5 set matches during Federer's prime (2004-2007) doesn't do him justice because no-one really was good enough to win more than 2 sets against the Swiss. I mean, he played as many 5 setters in 2009 as in 2004-2007 combined, that's crazy.
     
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    Because everybody knows how to pronounce GOAT's name, but it's not the case with lesser players.
     
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    Woohoo! AO 2011

    Bumpity bump :) :twisted:
     
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    Please don't troll around in this thread. Thanks.
     
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    That was a genuine question. What do you think is the reason?
     
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    I'd suggest you email the ATP and ask them! ;-)
     
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    Simon's in good form & has decent 5 set numbers; I never knew Fed's numbers were not strong, thought he would be better than 17/14.
     
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    The Federer/Simon match has upset all over it :)

    If Federer doesn't win in straight sets, his chances fall hugely.
     
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    Federer has never beaten Simon. Simon has won both of their previous 2 meetings.
     
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    those were not 5-set matches though.
     
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    Simon has a huge advantage in 5-set matches... check out their records in the OP

    The bigger and more important variable will be the hugeness of the occasion... beating and knocking Federer out of a GS tournament in an early round. However, Simon is definitely not intimidated by Federer and will not roll over for him like many players

    Simon just had a huge win as well in Sydney today (defeating Troicki in straight sets)... his first outdoor HC title in quite some time.
     
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    True, but statistics show Simon with better 5 set percentage if they would go longer than 3. On the other hand, Simon would be in rare atmosphere/pressure facing Fed in a slam. But Bud's right, it is a potential roadblock/tough early test for Fed.
     
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    If they do meet, I expect Federer to win. But, it has the potential to be one of those matches where the big champion loses early on (think Sampras at 2001 Wimbledon).
     
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    Agreed. If Federer fails to win in straight sets it will become increasingly difficult to d. Simon.
     
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    He certainly does not have a "huge" advantage. Federer's 5 set record is based on 31 observations whereas Simon's is based on only 7... How on earth are these numbers giving any sort of window into who has the advantage in a 5 set match? It is nonsense.

    Simon has won 71 percent of his 5 setters whereas Federer has won 55 percent of his 5 setters. If this raw and unevaluated 16% differential between them is enough to prove that Simon has an edge in a 5 set match.... I guess Tsonga has a huge advantage in 5 setters over Nadal as he has a pure 100% win record in those matches, while Nadal has won only 82% of such matches. Crap! That is an 18% differential between them. Tsonga has an even bigger edge over Nadal in 5 setters than Simon has over Federer.

    Terrible misuse of statistics.
     
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    Federer will steamroll Simon, I don't expect him to be troubled too much in this tournament.
     
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    7 matches is plenty to detect a developing pattern or trend ;)

    What was the percentage of Federer's first seven 5-set matches? I'll look... hang on.

    Federer was 4 of 7 or 57% (very close to his current percentage of 55%)

    Nadal was 5 of 7 or 71% (slightly lower than his current 82%)

    BTW, I don't see any other guys near the top that went 4-0 in their first four 5-set matches so don't disrespect what Tsonga has accomplished.
     
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    Not at all, man. The percentage you calculated for Nadal's first 7 five setters is anything but "slight lower". That is an 11% decline! :shock:

    Small samples are very unreliable. Using only the first seven of Roger's 5 setters, the fact that you came at a percentage that is close to his current one is a mere coincidence and doesnt indicate a pattern or trend at all. Following his first 7 five set matches, Federer went 3/7 in his next 7 five set matches.... that is 43% and certainly not indicative of a trend.

    If you want an even better example, look at Lleyton Hewitt's record. He won 3 out of his first 7 five set matches (43%). His actual career record is 30-15 (67%). Seven matches is just too small a sample to give an accurate account.


    Also, I didn't disrespect Tsonga. All I'm saying is this; If I was a betting man, I wouldn't look at Tsonga's perfect 4-0 record as a good reason to put money on him over Nadal in a best of five set match. I would take Nadal's inferior yet more statistically sound percentage in five set matches to be a greater reason to bet on him .
     
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    So, the 5-set percentages trend upward rather than downward as more matches are played... meaning Simon's 5-set record is mot likely to improve.

    Be ironic if Simon improved his 5-set record at Federer's expense :D
     
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    That would be nice if it were actually a consistent fact. Simon's percentage can end up improving or declining. If he loses his next match he will drop down to to 62%, if he wins his next one it will go up to 75%.There have been player's who weren't so fortunate and their 5 set records plummeted. Not everyone can be a badass like Hewitt.
     
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    Bud: Has it occurred to you that maybe the players that have taken Federer to 5 are superior to the ones that have taken Simon to 5? Since 2003 Federer has been beaten in 5 by Nadal Djokovic Safin Del Potro and Nalbandian. Those are all players far, far greater than Simon. It takes a great player to push, much less beat Federer in 5. Who has Simon faced on his 5 set list? Vastly inferior to the players Federer has, that's just undeniable.

    Since when has a non-elite player beaten Federer in 5?
     
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    5 sets is 5 sets and seven 5-set matches is a large enough sample size to realize a legitimate trend. So, don't discount his opponents.

    Simon is a former top 10 player (who dropped down due to injury) and is moving back up the rankings, quickly.

    BTW, have you even bothered to look at who both Federer's and Simon's 5-set opponents were?

    If you go to the OP, you can do that with a simple click ;)
     
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    I'm not saying Simons gonna win, but it's a match to watch. Although limited, the stats lead some to predict a tough match. I don't think anyone would bet against Fed in this possible match-up. I'm just saying Simon has a better chance than most potential 2nd round matchups against Fed.
     
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    Bud: Yup, I looked at the opponents of both men, and came to the rather obvious conclusion that since 2003, only great players have taken Federer to 5, barring some abberations, which would lower his percentage. Simon on the other hand has faced lesser opponents. If you wish to dispute this, show me where I am incorrect.

    Also, you're putting words in my mouth. Nowhere do I dismiss Simons record, but I really think that it would take an unwise man to put his money on Simon if it goes to 5.
     
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    How about from 99-03? :oops:

    Federer has been average at best in 5-setters throughout his career
     
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    Federer from '99-'03 was a different animal, I don't see how that would have any bearing since he has evolved so much as a player, physically and mentally. May as well look at his junior 5 set record *rollseyes*

    Sure, his record in 5 sets isn't phenomenal, but considering it's consistently against top 5 players, it definitely isn't "average".
     
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    A professional record is just that and has nothing to do with a junior record. You can't delete 5 years of his professional history because you don't like it :roll:
     
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    Might as well try to climb Mount Everest. Easier than trying to make bud understand something "logical" :twisted:
     
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    Bud: Who's deleting anything? Lol. I'm just saying, Federers 5th set matches from a decade ago have essentially no bearing on a potential 5th set match now, as a seasoned player with a more refined skillset than back then. It's like saying Federers 1st round exit in 2002 at Wimby makes him suspect to reach the second week in 2011. It's irrelevant. Fact is, in the past EIGHT YEARS (pretty significant sample size) Federer has only been taken to 5 sets by almost exclusively great players, like Roddick, Nadal and the rest. He's beaten Nadal twice in 5 set matches. Every player that has beaten him in 5 sets the past 8 years was a top 5 player.

    Man, you've got a problem or something. My bad if this is harsh or whatnot, but you either have a severely bad comprehension or you purposely put words into peoples mouths. You seem like a nice fella but you should tone it down a bit IMO... (no offence).

    Abmk: lol yeah eh
     
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    I don't care about your opinion so you can say what you'd like or express yourself how you please ;)

    However, let's cease discussing it in this thread as it's getting way off topic.
     
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    did you know about the isner-mahut match
     

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