ATP 5-set Records (five set)

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  1. dandelion_smiley

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    The difference between Federer's 5-setters and Nadal's 5-setters is that Fed's constantly playing them against top top players.

    Look at the 5-setters he lost since 2004:

    2005 AO - Safin (no 4) in the form of his life, had to save a match point
    2005 MC - Nalbandian (no 6-8?) in the form of his life, still almost lost that one (6-5 30-0)
    2006 Rome - Nadal (no 2) on clay, still had match points
    2008 Wimbledon - Nadal (no 2) playing his best, Federer struggling big time and yet it was only 7-9 in the fith (had chances at 4-3 Federer)
    2009 Australian Open - Nadal (no 1) in great shape+ a major brain fart from Federer in the 5th
    2009 US Open - Del Potro (no 6) - in argueably his best performace, Federer was cruising at 6-3 5-4 30-0
    2010 US Open semi - Djokovic (no 3) - Djokovic's best performance in a long long time, still had to save 2 match points

    This means that "nobodies" won't even force a 5th set against Federer, not to mention winning it.

    The average ranked player Federer lost to in the 5th set since 2004 is 3,57 (!).

    Nadal on the other hand has had 5 good wins in the 5th set. The ones worth mentioning:

    1) Nadal defeating Coria in 2005 Rome final
    2) Nadal defeating Ljubicic in 2005 Madrid final
    3,4,5) Nadal beating Federer in Rome 2006/Wimbledon 2008/2009 AO finals

    Now look at the guys who forced Nadal play a 5th set in recent years:
    Peztschner, Haase, Verdasco, Youzhny, Soderling (the 2007 ver), Kendrick, 19-year old Murray. Seriously, Fed would be delighted to improve his 5-set match record playing a 5th set with the aforementioned guys.

    Rafa is a mere 3-2 in matches that went to a 5th set against Federer and was close to losing in 2 of them (Rome, Wimbledon).
     
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  2. Bud

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    Let's take this discussion to another thread.
     
  3. dandelion_smiley

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    if you bring something new to the table, I'm all ears
     
  4. Bud

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    Mustard.. would you update Fish... thanks! :)

    You can use my Hanescu results if you'd like

    Updated:
    Monfils
    Hanescu
    de Bakker
    Querrey
     
  5. Turning Pro

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    fed was closd to losing to pre-prime 18 yr old baby nadal on hc's and wimby 07 too.
     
  6. dandelion_smiley

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    in case you havent noticed, there is a slight difference between "almost lost" and "lost"

    btw Nadal's 2005 hard court season is his best as far as the no of titles/finals are concerned. That's the only year he reached 3 Masters finals on hard courts, the only year he won 2 Masters titles on hard courts in 1 season, the only year he won 3 titles in total and reached 4 finals, I wouldnt call him baby Nadal cause a baby wouldn'tve won a Slam title, win 90 % of his yearly matches and finish at no 2
     
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  7. Mustard

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    Updated Fish record.
     
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    that's why i emphasised your last statement on the quoted post.
     
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    miami match - rafa came close to winning in the 3rd set , the 5th wasn't anywhere close. So that's irrelevant speculation as far as 5-setter as concerned
     
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    Carlos Moya

    Carlos Moya's 5 set record: 17-19 (47.22%)

    1996 Wimbledon R128: Pierre Bouteyre def. Carlos Moya (7-6(5), 6-7(5), 6-2, 4-6, 8-10)
    1996 US Open R128: Carlos Moya def. Scott Humphries (6-1, 6-7(4), 6-7(1), 6-0, 6-4)
    1997 Australian Open R128: Carlos Moya def. Boris Becker (5-7, 7-6(4), 2-6, 6-1, 6-4)
    1997 Australian Open R16: Carlos Moya def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-3, 1-6, 3-6, 6-2, 6-4)
    1997 Davis Cup QF:Omar Camporese def. Carlos Moya(7-6, 7-6, 1-6, 3-6, 3-6)
    1997 Roland Garros R128: Carlos Moya def. Alberto Martin (6-3, 6-7, 5-7, 6-3, 6-3)
    1998 David Cup R1: Gustavo Kuerten def. Carlos Moya (7-5, 6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 4-6)
    1998 Wimbledon R128: Carlos Moya def. Mahesh Bhupathi (6-4, 4-6, 6-4, 2-6, 6-3)
    1998 US Open R64: Carlos Moya def. Michael Chang (3-6, 1-6, 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-3)
    1998 US Open R32: Carlos Moya def. Jan-Michael Gambill (6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-3, 7-6(4))
    1998 ATP World Tour Championships: Alex Corretja def. Carlos Moya (6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 3-6, 5-7)
    1999 Indian Wells Final: Mark Phillippoussis def. Carlos Moya (7-5, 4-6, 4-6, 6-4, 2-6)
    1999 Roland Garros R128: Carlos Moya def. Markus Hipfl (3-6, 1-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
    1999 Wimbledon R64: Jim Courier def. Carlos Moya (3-6, 6-3, 6-7(1), 6-3, 2-6)
    2000 Roland Garros R128: Hernan Gumy def. Carlos Moya (6-7(4), 2-6, 6-4, 6-3, 3-6)
    2000 US Open R16: Todd Martin def. Carlos Moya (7-6(3), 7-6(7), 1-6, 6-7(6), 2-6)
    2001 Australian Open R32: Carlos Moya def. Lleyton Hewitt (4-6, 6-1, 5-7, 6-2, 7-5)
    2001 Barcelona F: Juan Carlos Ferrero def. Carlos Moya (6-4, 5-7, 3-6, 6-3, 5-7)
    2001 Roland Garros R64: David Sanchez def. Carlos Moya (6-1, 1-6, 6-7(7), 7-6(5), 2-6)
    2001 Wimbledon R128: Carlos Moya def. Neville Godwin (2-6, 6-7(4), 6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
    2002 Australian Open R128: Carlos Moya def. Augustin Calleri (2-6, 6-7(3), 6-4, 7-6(4), 0-1 RET)
    2002 Australian Open R64: Rainer Schuettler def. Carlos Moya (6-3, 7-6(4), 1-6, 6-7(5), 2-6)
    2002 Roland Garros R32: Gulliermo Canas def. Carlos Moya (6-4, 6-7(1), 7-6(2), 1-6, 2-6)
    2003 Australian Open R64: Mardy Fish def. Carlos Moya (6-3, 6-7(8 ), 4-6, 6-4, 2-6)
    2003 Roland Garros R32: Carlos Moya def. Juan Igancio Chela (6-2, 6-3, 3-6, 2-6, 6-3)
    2003 Roland Garros QF: Martin Ververk def. Carlos Moya (3-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-4, 6-8 )
    2003 Davis Cup SF: Carlos Moya def. Mariano Zabeleta (5-7, 2-6, 6-2, 6-0, 6-1)
    2004 Wimbledon QF: Carlos Moya def. Oliver Patience (6-4, 3-6, 7-5, 6-7(6), 6-1)
    2004 US Open R32: Olivier Rochus def. Carlos Moya (6-4, 4-6, 3-6, 7-6(5), 5-7)
    2004 Davis Cup SF: Paul-Henri Mathieu def. Carlos Moya (3-6, 6-3, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6)
    2005 Roland Garros R32: Carlos Moya def. Fernando Vicente (6-4, 7-6(4), 6-7(3), 0-6, 6-4)
    2006 Australian Open R128: Andrei Pavel def. Carlos Moya (4-6, 6-7(5), 6-4, 6-3, 4-6)
    2007 Roland Garros R128: Carlos Moya def. Andreas Seppi (6-1, 3-6, 6-3, 2-6, 6-0)
    2007 Wimbledon R128: Tim Henman def. Carlos Moya (3-6, 6-1, 7-5, 2-6, 11-13)
    2007 US Open R32: Carlos Moya def. Philipp Kohlschreiber (4-6, 7-5, 7-6(5), 4-6, 6-4)
    2008 Roland Garros R128: Eduardo Schwank def. Carlos Moya (6-7(4), 2-6, 7-6(1), 6-4, 3-6)
     
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  11. Bud

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    Crap! I will look through it later. I dont think that I made an error.Thanks for pointing it out, Bud.
     
  13. Bud

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    The 1998 AO match was only 4 sets, according to your numbers

    Knocking that out... you have him for 36 (18/18 ) total 5-set matches while the ATP site has him for 35 (19/16) - apart from the difference in the win/loss ratio.

    Combing through these 5-set records isn't as easy as it looks ;)
     
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  14. vive le beau jeu !

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    marcos' record updated, sir ! ;)
     
  15. Bud

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    Got it... thanks :)
     
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    Hey Bud, I found another mistake and corrected it. I got the losses up to 19. I still can't figure out why I calculated 17 wins for him. I double checked. hmmmm
     
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    Tsonga continues the perfect record to 5-0.
     
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    If Tsonga takes you to five, forgetaboutit....
     
  20. Bud

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    Mustard...

    Nalbandian and Hewitt need updating :mrgreen:
     
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    Updated. Hewitt's winning percentage is 65.22, not 65.21 :)
     
  22. Bud

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    Thanks for being an extra pair of eyes in this thread :)
     
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    ESPN said this was Tsonga's first comeback from 2-0 while ATP says second, what's the deal
     
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    Updated Tsonga's record to 5-0, still a 100 winning percentage.

    It's Tsonga's first comeback from 2 sets down, at least in a main ATP Tour match.
     
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    Tommy Robredo's 5 set record: 10-4 (76.47%)

    2001 US Open R32: Tommy Robredo def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (7-6(5), 4-6, 6-4, 4-6, 7-6(1))
    2002 US Open R128: Tommy Robredo def. Mariano Zabaleta (6-2, 6-7(3), 7-5, 4-6, 7-6(5))
    2002 US Open R64: Tommy Robredo def. Fernando Meligeni (4-6, 6-3, 6-3, 4-6, 6-2)
    2003 Roland Garros R32: Tommy Robredo def. Lleyton Hewitt (4-6, 1-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
    2003 Roland Garros QF: Albert Costa def. Tommy Robredo (6-2, 6-3, 4-6, 5-7, 2-6)
    2004 Barcelona Final: Tommy Robredo def. Gaston Gaudio (6-3, 4-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-3)
    2005 Roland Garros R16: Tommy Robredo def. Marat Safin (7-5, 1-6, 6-1, 4-6, 8-6)
    2005 Roland Garros QF: Nikolay Davydenko def. Tommy Robredo (6-3, 1-6, 2-6, 6-4, 4-6)
    2006 Roland Garros R16: Mario Ancic def. Tommy Robredo (4-6, 6-4, 6-2, 4-6, 5-7)
    2007 Wimbledon R128: Tommy Robredo def. Robert Kendrick (6-2, 3-6, 6-3, 6-7(5), 6-3)
    2007 US Open R128: Tommy Robredo def. Mardy Fish (6-4, 3-6, 6-4, 6-7(7), 6-4)
    2008 Australian Open R128: Tommy Robredo def. Mischa Zverev (4-6, 2-6, 7-6(2), 6-4, 7-5)
    2008 US Open R16: Novak Djokovic def. Tommy Robredo (6-4, 2-6, 3-6, 7-5, 3-6)
    2009 Wimbledon R64: Tommy Robredo def. Stefan Koubek (3-6, 4-6, 6-4, 7-6(5), 6-1)
    2013 Roland Garros R64: Tommy Robredo def. Igor Sijsling (6-7(2) 4-6 6-3 6-1 6-1)
    2013 Roland Garros R32: Tommy Robredo def. Gael Monfils ( 2-6 6-7(5) 6-2 7-6(3) 6-2)
    2013 Roland Garros R16: Tommy Robredo def. Nicholas Almagro ( 6-7(5) 3-6 6-4 6-4 6-4)
     
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  26. Max G.

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    Damn. Robredo has 3 comebacks from 2-0 down. That's pretty impressive.
     
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    Verdasco updated...

    2011 Australian Open R64: Fernando Verdasco def. Janko Tipsarevic (2-6, 4-6, 6-4, 7-6, 6-0)

    ►► Mustard... would you update Tipsy? Thanks (I already updated the OP) :)

    Tipsy is now 13/7 - 65.00%
     
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    He hasn't played many 5-setters for such a tour veteran! :)

    ►► Oops... percentage should 71.43% ;)
     
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    ... and Federer

    Simon updated

    2011 Australian Open R64: Roger Federer d. Gilles Simon (6-2, 6-3, 4-6, 4-6, 6-3)

    - - - - -

    Almagro updated
     
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    Federer saw this thread on TW and decided to do something about it.
     
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    Pat Cash: 14-9 in 5-sets matches (60.9%)

    Davis Cup 1983, AUS vs GBR: W - John LLOYD (GBR) 5-7 7-5 6-3 1-6 7-5
    AO 1983, R32: W - Brian TEACHER (USA) 6-4 7-6 6-7 2-6 7-5

    USO 1984, SF: L - Ivan LENDL (TCH) 6-3 3-6 4-6 7-6 6-7
    AO 1984, R32: W - Jakob HLASEK (SUI) 5-7 6-3 6-3 5-7 7-5
    W 1985, R128: W - Todd NELSON (USA) 2-6 6-2 7-5 6-7 6-3

    W 1985, R64: L - Ricardo ACUNA (CHI) 6-7 3-6 6-3 7-6 4-6
    USO 1986, R128: L - Leonardo LAVALLE (MEX) 4-6 7-5 4-6 6-1 3-6
    Davis Cup 1986, AUS vs SWE: W - Mikael PERNFORS (SWE) 2-6 4-6 6-3 6-4 6-3
    AO 1987, R16: W - Paul ANNACONE (USA) 6-4 6-1 6-7 1-6 6-2

    AO 1987, F: L - Stefan EDBERG (SWE) 3-6 4-6 6-3 7-5 3-6
    Johannesburg 1987, F: W - Brad GILBERT (USA) 7-6 4-6 2-6 6-0 6-1
    AO 1988, SF: W - Ivan LENDL (TCH) 6-4 2-6 6-2 4-6 6-2

    AO 1988, F: L - Mats WILANDER (SWE) 3-6 7-6 6-3 1-6 6-8
    RG 1988, R64: W - Javier SANCHEZ (ESP) 6-3 3-6 4-6 6-2 6-3
    W 1988, R64: W - Javier FRANA (ARG) 6-2 4-6 3-6 6-1 6-4
    AO 1989, R64: W - Richey RENEBERG (USA) 6-3 6-3 6-7 4-6 6-3
    W 1990, R128: W - Dimitri POLIAKOV (URS) 4-6 7-6 5-7 6-4 6-1
    USO 1990, R128: W - Marc ROSSET (SUI) 2-6 2-6 6-3 6-3 8-6
    USO 1990, R64: W - Mark KRATZMANN (AUS) 6-4 2-6 2-6 6-1 6-4

    RG 1991, R64: L - Andrei CHERKASOV (URS) 7-6 1-6 3-6 6-3 5-7
    W 1991, R64: L - Thierry CHAMPION (FRA) 5-7 7-6 6-4 1-6 10-12
    AO 1992, R64: L - Emilio SANCHEZ (ESP) 6-7(5) 2-6 7-6(9) 6-3 1-6
    W 1992, R64: L - John MCENROE (USA) 7-6 4-6 7-6 3-6 2-6
     
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  32. dlk

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    Looks like Bud was correct. Was a tough match for Fed & stats supported it.:shock:
     
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    Updated Federer and Tipsarevic.
     
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    damn, Federer has played a 5-setter in 11 of his last 15 Slams. Gives you a comparison to what he was doing in 04-07 (only seven 5-setters played in 4 years, four 5-setters in 16 Slam tournaments played)
     
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    I'll place 14/9 in the OP (post #3)... double-check and see if you can locate the missing match :)
     
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    ... got it, and updated the post ! :)
    (the ATP website was right, but the ITF database was missing the 5th set of one of his matches at wimbledon 1990)
     
  37. Agassifan

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    So just because Fed had a brain fart in sets 3 & 4, his 5 set record looks better
     
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    Possible Youzhny-Raonic 5-setter

    Mustard... would u also update Youzhny per post #388? Thanks :)
     
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    Updated Youzhny.
     
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    Tsonga had his first loss in a five set match. He just lost to Dolgopolov at the Australian Open. He's now 5-1 (83.3%).
     
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    If only Tsonga had lost in 4 sets, then he'd still have a perfect 5 set record.

    :neutral:
     
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    I've added the Dolgopolov vs. Tsonga match to Tsonga's list.
     
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    Thanks! OP updated

    Tsonga still in 1st place :)
     
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    Bud, shouldn't Muster be in active players? ;)
     
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    I'll put him back there if he lasts 6 more months :mrgreen:
     
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    It's a little misleading when you throw in someone who's only had 6 five setters like tsonga with someone like federer who has 30+ five setters.
     
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    Why is it misleading? The win/loss for each player is clearly posted next to each name.

    BTW, Federer was 3-3 (50.00%) after his first six 5-set matches.
     
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    Another 5-setter currently in session between Cilic and Isner :shock:

    Cilic d. Isner

    Records updated
     
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    Nicolas Lapentti has retired, Bud, so he should be moved to inactive players.
     

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