(ATP) Rome Masters Series

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Who will win in Rome?

Poll closed May 8, 2007.
  1. Nadal

    63.6%
  2. Federer

    21.6%
  3. Robredo

    1.1%
  4. Ferrer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Nalbandian

    1.1%
  6. Djokovic

    2.3%
  7. Ferrer

    1.1%
  8. Gasquet

    5.7%
  9. Berdych

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Cañas (if he enters the main draw)

    3.4%
  1. Zaragoza

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    The qualifying draw is out and surprisingly Cañas is there as the no. 1 seed.
    Mirnyi, Massu, Del Potro, Vliegen, Horna, Karlovic...are also playing the qualies. Cañas opponents are good players on clay: Di Mauro and (probably) Serra.

    http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/...//www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/416/qs.pdf

    I think the main draw will be announced tomorrow.
    I didn´t post some big names in the poll given their last results/potential on clay, it´s not easy to pick 10 names. If you think that any other player will be the winner post below.
    Sorry I posted Ferrer twice. If you pick Ferrero click on Ferrer II :)
    Please moderators, can you edit the poll and post Ferrero where it says Ferrer for the 2nd time?

    SINGLES MAIN DRAW:

    http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/.../www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2007/416/mds.pdf
     
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  2. vive le beau jeu !

    vive le beau jeu ! G.O.A.T.

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    why is it surprising ?...
    it's logical : it's because the entry list is based on the rankings several weeks before the tournament.

    PS: 2 times ferrer ?... is a "O" missing somewhere ?!
     
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  3. Zaragoza

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    I meant it´s surprising that he decided to play the qualies after he didn´t play the qualies in Montecarlo. The 4 WC in the main draw went to Italians (I can understand the patriotism with the WC but I think it´s too much given the good players that need to play the qualies in a Masters Series).
     
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  4. vive le beau jeu !

    vive le beau jeu ! G.O.A.T.

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    ah unfortunately, i don't think you can edit the names in the poll... :?
    (a "other" option would have been welcome too...)
    you're right, the patriotism is often a pb for the WC... but it's unfortunately the case in most of the tournaments.

    did you remove gonzalez because of his late results ?... nalbandian didn't really play better recently. ;) but as you say... difficult to choose 9/10 names !
     
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    If the final is Nadal v anybody else then he will win,but if its a Nadal v Federer final then i think its a tough call.I voted for the Clay King anyways though:D
     
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    NAdal will win Rome again.
     
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    Nadal.
    But I doubt we'll see a great final like in 2005.
    Clay season without Coria :cry: :cry:
     
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    ACE of Hearts G.O.A.T.

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    Its so freaking obvious.Nadal should be the favorite until these cats step up.
     
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    Coria is gone, get over it.
     
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    Fed's forehand will be on this time.
     
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    Fed's forehand was not on even on half clay surface, how is it going to come back in time for rome. I think even Matt Bruch is hitting his forehand better than federer right now. and besides, since rafa switched to that new cortex racket, he is hitting his forehands bigger than ever, just watch the babolat video.;)
     
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  12. Andres

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    Shut the hell up! Coria WILL return! :D
     
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    Andy Roddick.



    bad joke.. I know.
     
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  14. Kim

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    Why even bother bringing up the half-clay exhibition?
     
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  15. Gasquetrules

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    Gasquet is the man...

    Gasquet is the man to challenge both Nadal and Federer.

    I'd give even odds right now that Gasquet (the semis are set but haven't been played) will win Estoril. This will give him a lot of confidence and people will begin to take him seriously.

    From what I've read, Monte Carlo has slower courts than Rome or Paris. So the Nadal win in Monte Carlo doesn't necessarily insure a win in Rome or Paris. On slightly faster courts Federer and Gasquet's may be able to challenge Nadal.

    But I believe Gasquet has the better game to challenge Nadal on Clay than Federer does. And I believe that Gasquet has the better game to challenge Federer on every other surface than clay than Nadal does.

    Gasquet has a more complete all-court game than Nadal does, and it is taking a bit longer for his game to fully flower... just as it did for Federer. But remember that Gasquet owned Nadal in the juniors. They are the same age,and Gasquet was the top-ranked junior in the world then. I believe he will eventually move ahead of both Federer and Nadal.

    Gasquet may not beat Nadal in Rome this year, but if the two are in opposite halves of the draw, I have to predict a Nadal-Gasquet final. Gasquet will beat Federer on clay if they meet.
     
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    Djokovic seems to be doing well in Esoril - could be a threat and of course Berdych
     
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    The main draw is out (link on the original post).

    I think it´s a tough draw for Federer and not so tough for Nadal.

    Fed could play:
    Almagro
    Gasquet/Volandri/Verdasco
    Ljubicic/Berdych
    Gonzalez/Ferrer
    Nadal.

    Nadal could play:
    Bracciali/Ginepri
    Youzhny/Benneteau/O. Rochus
    Djokovic
    Robredo/Davydenko
    Federer

    Interesting 1st round matches:

    Gasquet-Verdasco
    Nieminen-Berdych
    Ferrer-Andreev
    Blake-Monfils
    Baghdatis-Moya

    Possible 2nd round matches:

    Federer-Almagro
    Robredo-Hewitt
    Davydenko-Safin
    Djokovic-Soderling
     
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  18. Baghdatis72

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    This must be the worse draw ever for Baghdatis :eek:

    Moya
    Haas
    Djokovic
    Nadal

    It couldn't be any worse really.

    Nadal will bag this one too and I think Canas will do well until he meets Nadal.
     
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  19. vive le beau jeu !

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    dense draw... a pity roger and richard are so close ! :?

    other interesting matches :
    - 1st round : henman vs almagro
    - possible 2nd round : gaudio vs roddick, gonzalez vs tursunov, baghdatis/moya vs haas/stepanek
     
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  20. Fedace

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    I see that Canas has to qualify to get into the main draw. That is too bad since he has done so well in past 3 month. Hopefully he won't be too tired when he plays federer. I think Fed is hoping and praying that canas isn't in the same half of the draw as him
     
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  21. Zaragoza

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    Cañas needs to win the qualies matches first and his opponents are tough on clay: Di Mauro and Serra.
     
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    Since when Di Mauro is 'tough on clay' ?
    The same Di Mauro Monaco crushed in Buenos Aires? (and Monaco isn't exactly Nadal, either)

    But hey! It's nice to see Daniele back on the tour, and meeting Nadal early! That's nice! :D
     
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    I meant he is "tough" for a qualifier. He isn´t consistent but he has beaten Almagro, Coria and Stepanek on clay and was a finalist in Buenos Aires. Cañas leads 4-2.
    By the way Del Potro retired after losing the 1st set.
     
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  24. slice bh compliment

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    Qtrs:
    Federer and Chucho Acasuso
    Gonzalez and Gaudio
    Robredo or Murray and Davydenko
    The Djoker and Nadal

    Good chance Canas sneaks through.

    Semis:
    Federer over Gonzalez
    Nadal over Robredo or Murray (my heart's for Robredo or Murray to take the title, but my head is not).

    Final:
    Nadal over Federer in a long exhausting match that goes the distance. And it'll be exhausting for the two players as well.
     
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  25. Gasquetrules

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    Tough 3rd round for Federer

    Looks like a Gasquet-Federer contest in the third round.

    Gasquet draws Verdasco as a first round opponent, just as he did in Monte Carlo; however, I believe Gasquet will win this time in straights.

    Federer gets the first-round bye.

    Despite the advantage this will give Federer, I still think Gasquet will be a very dangerous opponent for Federer early in the tournament. Should be an excellent and much-anticipated matchup, with the outcome hard to predict.

    If Gasquet gets by Federer, he could go to the finals.
     
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  26. federerfanatic

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    Gasquet is overrated. If he plays Federer here he will lose like he always has since his fluke first win. He will never overtake Nadal or Federer in the rankings.
     
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  27. slice bh compliment

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    I agree, but what a pleasure to watch him when he does play to his ability. Man, that kid's got a fluid backhand and a diverse game.

    I'd love to have great seats for ANY Federer/Gasquet match.
     
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    Hehe if you look at the doubles draw Federer and Nadal are set to face eachother in the first round: Federer/Wawrinka v Nadal/Moya........hmmmm who will win this particular clay battle i wonder????
     
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    Me too mate!:D
     
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  30. Baghdatis72

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    I would prefer Djokovic to win it so that all the Nadal and Federer fans stop cursing at each other and argue all the time about who is the best and who is the most dominant and so on.

    Go Djoker!!! I like!
     
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    Oh no, if Federer and Nadal lost that would mean double trolling. One of them losing is enough ;)
     
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    Yeah but if they start losing consistently there will be no more trolls left ;)
     
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  33. Gasquetrules

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    Gasquet is only 20...

    Gasquet is only 20. Where was Federer in the world rankings at age 20 during the clay-court season?

    Federer will get old one day and become vulnerable, just like Pete Sampras did. Gasquet will rule, dude!
     
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  34. federerfanatic

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    Djokovic and Murray are a year younger then Gasquet and are already better players then him, especialy Djokovic. Even if Gasquet beats Djokovic in this particular final, Djokovic is ranked higher and done more like winning a Masters title and back to back Masters finals. Nadal is born only a week apart from Gasquet is and a way better player.

    By the time Federer gets old and goes down there will be lots of new people we dont even know of now. Anyway I will leave you alone with your fantasy of Gasquet being #1 someday. I dont want to spoil your daydreams, enjoy.

    Since you ask though, at the same point Gasquet is now, 20 turning 21 that summer of that year, during the clay court season Federer would reach the top 10 and win his Masters event in Hamburg. Fed had already beaten World #1 Hewitt on Hewitt's best surface-hard courts, in straight sets in the Miami Masters semis. Gasquet has never beaten a player like Federer, Nadal, or even Roddick on their best surface. Federer had reached 2 career slam quarters at that point, Gasquet has reached 0. Federer's win over Sampras in the 2001 Wimbledon 4th round was a bigger win then any win Gasquet has had at a Grand Slam event.
     
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    I think gasquet is a pretty good player, better than most. If he is coached well there is no reason that he won't be top 5. This is because of his nice flowing game. He needs to be more aggressive and step up to the baseline and go for net more. That is what makes him unique. Definitely a consistent top 10 player in a year or so, because of his technique and all court ability. Monfils is excellent also, he needs to stop injuring/hurting his ankles and focussing on striking the right balance in order to just get the win.
     
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    Top ten, for sure...

    I believe Gasquet broke into the top ten in 2005. Injuries hurt him last year and kept him sidlined during the claycourt season. He just needs to stay healthy long enough to keep his momentum, confidence and ranking up.

    Djokovic I am impressed with. But Andy Murray, I just don't see what the excitement is all about. It must all be coming from the diehard Anglophile camp. Ironically, Andy loathes the Brits.

    But putting the petty nationalism aside, Murray has never impressed me with his athleticism, his speed or his overall game. He's not a first-class talent. Put him on a court with Gasquet, and he looks slow and clumsy in comparison.

    He has a solid ground game, with the mechanical two-handed backhand, but that's about it. I would wager that the Murray never wins a major title in his career. I don't think he will come as close as Henman did.

    And he clearly isn't a threat to win more than a round or two at even third-tier clay court events. He has his limitations, for sure.

    In contrast, Gasquet has proven his ability to play well on all surfaces. This will keep him high in the year-round rankings, even if he doesn't pull off major wins. Most players are good for part of the year, but are missing in action when the tour focuses on their weak surfaces. Gasquet has no weak surfaces.
     
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    Gasquet's highest ranking was 12 in 2005, btw.
     
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    What's with the crap about comparing Gasquet with Federer all the time? Gasquet is a fine player. Whether he has the stamina and the head to win matches consistently is another question.

    And why is he overrated? I don't see any other kid around his age with the same all round ability. I don't think its a problem that people expect too much from him. Because they enjoy watching him play. Thats all.
     
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    Cañas won the first set 6-4 against Serra in the final qualification match
    Massú advances, beating Karlovic in 3 Tie Breaks :(
     
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    Canas down 3-5 in the second set :(
     
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    obviously, gasquet has the talent. and he gets a lot of style points for his stylish and beautiful play.

    however, his stylish game doesn't mean that he can translate it into federer-like results, or even impressive results, for that matter.


    in fact, stylish play seems to be pretty much the norm for a lot of french players - leconte, santoro, mauresmo, etc. however, only mauresmo has been able to translate her stylishness into grand slams, at the very mature tennis age of 27!

    hopefully, it won't take gasquet that long!
     
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    Please, let´s talk about the Rome TMS. You can discuss about Gasquet in the other section ;)

    The qualifiers have been located in the main draw:

    Cañas is on Nadal´s half of the draw and they could meet in SF but Cañas has a tough draw: Melzer, Murray/Simon, Robredo/Hewitt...

    Hewitt starts against Oscar Hernández who played great in Barcelona.
    Safin vs Delic.
    Cañas, Hewitt, Safin, Murray and Ferrero play tomorrow. Also, Almagro-Henman (the winner plays Federer).
    The doubles match Federer/Wawrinka-Nadal/Moya will start about 3 pm (Monday).
     
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  43. Shabazza

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    Do you know if the doubles match will be braodcasted? Probably not considering that singles are played at the same time.
     
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    I can't stand it...Moya vs Baggy in the first round...how can this be?
    Am sad:-(
     
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    Moya will win easily imo.
     
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    I am looking forward to Delic vs Safin match, Delic is a formal NCAA division 1 champion and he was highly regarded as a top 20 ATP pro tour player. I am looking for Delic to come up with a upset on this one
     
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    I'm glad to see Wawrinka's back from his injury!
     
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    Why Cañas plays the qualys for Rome, but in Munich he was a seed player?
    It's ridiculous.
    Anyway, I don't know why, but Nalbadian is out. And Del Potro, retired. I don't know what happend to this kid, but he always retired.
     
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    Nadal is destroying Federer right now in Rome first round, Fed really cannot beat rafa in anything.
     
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    ROFL Baggy! You got the fact that you have federerfanatic on 'ignore' in your signature!

    Ignore list: federerfanatic

     
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