ATP Statement : Korolev In, Blake Out

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    This gets even more interesting

    ATP STATEMENT REGARDING TENNIS CHANNEL OPEN

    An incorrect variation of ATP rules resulted in the erroneous passage of James Blake into the quarterfinals of the Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas, and according to the rules Evgeny Korolev will advance instead of Blake, the ATP announced today.

    Blake had advanced after ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers had been called in to discuss a controversial end to the Blake/Korolev/Juan Martin del Potro group. Blake needed to complete his match, beat del Potro in straight sets and concede five games or less. Blake was leading 6-1, 3-1 when del Potro retired from the match with breathing problems.

    The relevant rule states that an incomplete match shall not count as a match played for the retiring player. This eliminated del Potro based on the tiebreak procedure for greatest number of completed matches and left only Blake and Korolev tied with 1-1 records. Therefore, under ATP rules Korolev should have advanced having beaten Blake in their round robin encounter.

    The same ATP Rulebook prevents the ATP Chairman and President or any ATP staff member from making a judgment call on the rules, as no variation can be implemented without ATP Board approval. The rules state that the final decision at a tournament rests solely with the ATP Supervisor.

    “I was contacted late at night my time and did not fully understand the issues being discussed and I made a judgment call on what seemed fair. However I understand that judgment calls are not part of the rule book and I must abide by the rules, as must everybody else in the circumstance,” de Villiers said.

    ‘This is of course an unpleasant situation for all involved, but we must abide strictly by the rules. I apologize to James for giving false hope and to Evgeny for the confusion. I said we would be prepared to make mistakes but that we would reverse them if necessary and learn from them.”

    “I hope that it is recognized that I acted in good faith and my intentions were to do the right thing and see fairness prevail. Clearly, I was wrong to intervene. I have always maintained that we should experiment with new and different ideas and it was with this in mind that I made what I thought was a fair call.”

    “I regret that I got involved, that I overruled a Supervisor and I regret this storm in a teacup,” said de Villiers.

    “What this situation and a somewhat similar confusing end to a group result in Buenos Aires have shown is that the experiment has brought a sharp focus onto specific flaws involved with round robin competition and the review of the format and the decision as to whether to continue at all, will now be brought forward.”

    The experiment with round robin play, inspired and supported by research that showed strong support for the format by fans, was to have involved 12 – 13 tournaments over the entire 2007 ATP season.

    “Discussions with ATP Board members and other parties have already started and the future of round robin play has now been put on the agenda for the ATP Board meeting, starting in Miami on March 22,” de Villiers said.
     
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    what a thriller !!!

    i can't believe it...
    now i'm ready for anything : in the middle of korolev's QF match, they will change again of opinion, and ask blake to replace korolev for the 2nd set !!! :rolleyes:

    now it's really time to fire de villiers.
    really.

    Blake out of Las Vegas open after ATP ruling
    http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=reu-menvegasblake&prov=reuters&type=lgns

    but this is the good choice, i think. :)
     
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    omg wahahahahah this is so ridiculous!!!!Really!!hahahaha
     
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    what a clown this de villers is.
     
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    please... what the hell are you paid for, poor jerk ?! :shock:
    ... and how much ??? :rolleyes:

    goofy is missing you, come back home with him.
     
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    I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of RR!!
     
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    All 5 of the spectators will be disappointed!
     
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    Regardless of who plays, i hope Sam Q kicks their ***.
     
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  9. ne1410is

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    lol i think this is the right decision though. the blake advancement seemed to be based on speculation that he would have likely won the event and that his opponent wouldn't have won 2 more games before the end of the match. or at least that's how i understand it. lol round robins are kinda crazy.
     
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  10. vive le beau jeu !

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    seriously, how could they dare to keep RR after such what happened ? :?
    please tell me it's not possible.


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    do you think they will dare ?... :roll:
     
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    HE is suggesting his call is fair over the rulebook ?
     
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    ehmmm...Korolev plays ONLY in 1 hour and a half..:? is he even in Vegas right now?
     
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    You gotta assume these guys are hanging out for a day or so after being ousted in Vegas
     
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    yes he was playing at the casino with the extra prize money he got from de villiers yesterday ! ;)
     
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    He's a corrupt frenchman.. his as$ was gettin reamed with possible lawsuit so he covered it by doing what is right..
     
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    yes,but Blake had said in his interview,that "Korolev is probably now on his way to IW" and that he has rent a car to drive there.
     
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    Do you know how much he makes? Something like $700K/yr. Plus bonuses and all that I am sure.
     
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  18. vive le beau jeu !

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    in fact, he's south african... but we don't really care about it.
     
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    yes and when they ask for the money back he should claim that he has "lost" it.:) Will Blake been awarded extra money as Korolev was?
     
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  20. ATXtennisaddict

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    Only the fans who pay for the tickets give a damn about the RR. Personally, if I were an attending fan, I'd STILL not want the RR format. It's so damned confusing! I don't even pay attention to who wins or loses in RR. I just see results and wait until the QF draw comes out.
     
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    yeah,but according to the "serious" researches contucted by the ATP in the RR tournaments the most attending fans were much in favour of the new system:( But they probably weren't real tennis fans and just went to see the big name play!
     
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  22. vive le beau jeu !

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    tennis fans, tennis fans...... hey, wait a minute !
    us, for instance... aren't we classified as tennis fans ? [​IMG]

    ummm... we are, right ? [​IMG]

    and according to this (very) serious research (and many other polls !)... i see that ~89% of us think RR suck.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=121039

    strange...... very strange. :rolleyes:
     
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  23. ibemadskillzz

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    Sam Querry would have destroyed blake, now we can't see it. F
     
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    Agree.The early rounds of these RR tourneys are more like watching an exo or WTT then a real match. One big yawner. And as a fan who goes to at least 5 tourneys a year I would never go one of these RR tourneys. The sooner they get rid of this ridiculous format the better.
     
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  25. sureshs

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    Blake should sue the ATP for emotional trauma.
     
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    no DeVillier is SOUTH AFRICAN,so get your facts straight
     
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    Probably some french decent that took over the south africans back in the day
     
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    Round Robin is too confusing. I agree.
     
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    or maybe just south african;)
     
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    RR seems to work for the Masters Cup, but obviously there are only 8 players.

    I thought the regular tour RR would just be a bigger version. So, if you have a 32 player field, then 8 groups of 4, 1 player advancing from each into the quarters. The player with the best record wins the group. If two players are 2-1 (and the 2 others 1-2) then head to head. If three players are 2-1 (and the other 0-3), then simply add up all the games won.

    Is this how it works?

    I really thought RR would be good for some (not all) regular tour events because it would allow more opportunities to see the top players and would allow players to get more out of the week since they don't have to go home right after a loss.

    But, I'm changing my mind. If an event has all the top players (like a Masters series), then it doesn't need RR. There is enough quality tennis. Even if a top player loses, there are other top players to watch.

    I never thought it would be this disastrous. It actually made sense to me when first announced.
     
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  31. ATXtennisaddict

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    James Blake had to win the match with a loss of no more than 5 games in the match.

    HOW IS THIS TENNIS?! This means that if he won 6-2,6-4, he's STILL out?! Isn't that a bunch of crap?

    This means that not only do you have to focus on winning the match, you have to control the damn total score?

    If he's up 6-2,5-3 and about to be broken, it's just deflating if he does indeed get broken. What's the point of playing well the rest of the match? Pride? pfft.
     
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  32. Max G.

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    Well, that and prize money and ranking points. I think you get different amounts of each depending on how many matches in the RR you win.
     
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  33. vive le beau jeu !

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    yes and no ! ;)

    well, if you're eliminated in the RR stage, you're right, you win more points and more prize money with your win.

    but if you qualify, the number of matches you won during the RR stage only infers on your prize money... not on your ATP points !
     
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    this RR shizz is BS and whoever came up with it should get the rules correct beforehand. wtf
     
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    These kinds of problems is exactly why they should get rid of round robins. There are just too many rules and it's way too confusing. I mean what is this B.S. about having to not lose more than a certain number of games in order to advance? Talk about putting an additional artificial pressure on a player during the match. A win is a win, the scoreline shouldn't matter.

    We need to just all go back to single elimination ONLY!!

    BTW, I still don't understand how some tournaments now seem to mix both a round robin and a single elimination formats at the same time for the early rounds. How does this work and what's the purpose? It's really confusing when I read the results in the paper.
     
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  36. lorenza

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    i'm glad they changed their decision, but RR really is total crap. they should just get rid of it to avoid all these problems....
     
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    i don't believe he has 1 bit of tennis knowlwdge,

    Oh what the heck, put Korolev directly into the final and make blake a linesperson. Then they'll both be in th e final LOL
     
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    BTW Korfolev is on a roll in set 2. "I'll show them!" Davai Zhenya!
     
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    Sukka Yooooooo
     
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    RIGHT NOW!!! I might add...

    Some 3hrs1/2 after this was announced you can't read anything about it on the ATP website, meaning this story is quite BIG.
     
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  41. bluescreen

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    i think it was the wrong decision cuz the rules r skewed for the rr format anyway. so basically its right that del potro held blake's fate in his hands, but its wrong that blake goes onto the quarters due to a retirement.

    he won the match, he lost less than five games. so he deserved the spot. this rr format is quite the headache.
     
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