ATP tennis courts speed rankings

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  1. TennisLovaLova

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    Can anyone please rank the ATP GS and MS1000 courts from the fastest to the slowest?
     
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    Paris Bercy
    Cincinnati
    US Open
    Wimbledon
    Shanghai
    Toronto
    Indian Wells
    Madrid
    Australian Open
    Miami
    Roland Garros
    Rome
    Monte Carlo
     
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  3. ThoughtCrime

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    I read somewhere that the Australian Open actually plays slower than RG now, not sure about the actual surface though.
     
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  4. tenniselbow1

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    Switch AO and Miami. Factor in the balls used and RG maybe faster than the AO. Overall pretty accurate. IW is pretty damn slow, and Madrid plays extremely fast so not sure there either. Would love the top 4 to answer this question and clear things up for us.
     
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  5. Russeljones

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    Wimbledon 4th? Somehow I expected it to be lower. Interesting topic to say the least.
     
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    Forgot London. I reckon it's just a bit slower than US Open
     
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  7. Bobby Jr

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    2011 Paris Bercy and London WTF were virtually the same speed (after being very different the previous years). Both are slower than the US Open.
     
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    paris bercy would be on top if it was still the same surface as 2010. but it was an accident that the new surface turned out so quick and they immediately slowed it down again for 2011 and onwards. now its probably around the spot of IW i guess.

    madrid really does play extremely fast for a clay court due to the altitude. unless they water it between the sets to give nadal an edge lol :p else im not even sure it would nescessarily be behind toronto or IW.
    RG and AO seem quite equal in terms of speed since AO is now slow as hell and RG was slightly sped up due to the balls. miami should rank lower than both of them.
    other than that i guess id sign it
     
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  9. TennisLovaLova

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    You guys dont seem to agree :) What's the fastest then if it isnt paris or wtf,
    Anyone bother to update the ranking posted earlier?
     
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  10. djones

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    Don't we still see more tiebreaks at Wimbledon than anywhere else?
     
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    alright heres how i think id put it as of now


    Cincinnati
    US Open
    Wimbledon
    Shanghai
    Paris Bercy = WTF
    Toronto
    Indian Wells = Madrid
    Australian Open = Roland Garros
    Miami
    Rome
    Monte Carlo
     
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  12. Romismak

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    In 2011

    Cinci was fastest big event, because Paris-indoors was slowed down to match with London WTF.

    Hard to argue if fastest clay event Madrid is faster than slowest HC like Miami, IW, AO

    1.Cinci
    2.Canada

    Wimbledon-overall, Wimbledon 1st week maybe after Cinci fastest, Wimby F-SF slower than half of big HC events at least

    3.Shanghai-faster than before
    4.WTF
    5.Paris-slower than before
    6.USO-slower than before

    Madrid

    7.AO
    8.RG-faster than before
    9.IW
    10.Miami -a.k.a. purple clay...
    11.Rome
    12.Monte carlo - slowest always, because it plays like old clay events should, enogh dirt, wattering whatever, it plays like clay should play

    I wasn´t sure where i should put Wimby and Madrid so i give it somewhere between
     
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  13. Romismak

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    Yes Paris-Bercy 2010 was super fast, i enjoyed it, it was like real indoor tennis event, with some SV from Llodra, big serve and groundstrokes from Robin, really great event, but i heard players complain it was too fast, so 2010 Paris we won´t see again

    About current Paris-Bercy i don´t think it is as slow as IW, it is visibly much slower, but thank to indoor conditions still it should favour attacking tennis and i think both indoor events - Paris and London are between summer quick HC - slow early season HC.
     
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    Can someone put together a final compilation with all the arguments aside for specific tourney? Maybe one or two options as a final list and poll it?
     
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  15. tenniselbow1

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    I think you nailed it here. Any arguments?
     
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    yeah you may have noticed i thought about it again after my first post and decided it was probably still faster than IW. so i put it 2 spots above IW together with WTF

    i dunno about USO.. some people say its been slowed down alot. others say its only gotten a little slower and is still rather fast for todays standards. im with the latter. i feel it still plays pretty fast.. faster even than wimbledon does towards the end so i put it up 2nd right after cinci
     
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  17. TennisLovaLova

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    So cincy's the fastest court?
    Faster than dubai?
     
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  18. origmarm

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    I read somewhere that the ITF actually give courts a speed rating. I saw this in a recent discussion of AO speed where it came out around 40 (in whatever units they use). Does anyone have access to this data or know where it comes from? Be interesting to get the "official" verdict

    EDIT: This chap, at the end of his article, mentions that AO is a 34 and USO is a 40. So the ITF is clearly measuring this

    EDIT2: They have an article on their rating process here:
    http://www.itftennis.com/technical/equipment/itfguidetotestmethods/courtpace.asp
     
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  19. laughingbuddha

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    Switch AO and IW.
     
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