Attention 90 square club-why?

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  1. Japanese Maple

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    Presently playing with iPrestige 98 loaded with lead tape and considering switching to 90/93 head size.
    All-court 4.75 player, were power is not an issue. Besides a smaller head being less powerful, what else could I possibly gain by switching-better placement and spin on serve, faster racquet speed, better manueverability on volleys, ect. What do you believe would be the biggest advantage?
     
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  2. VGP

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    Demo and use what you want for what you wanna get out of the game.....

    For me, I like a more "compact" feel as opposed to more "string" feel, does that make sense?

    ....4.75?
     
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  3. MichaelChang

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    4.99 as he meant to say :) (almost 5)
     
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  4. Japanese Maple

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    VGP-I understand the more "compact" feel you desire-how does that impact playability for you-racquet speed, better spin potential,pinpoint accuracy on serves and groundstrokes,ect.
     
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    For me the biggest difference/advantage with playing with a mid is the extra distance between the hand and the sweet spot for the same length racquet. This provides extra reach, more torque, and more pinpoint control with less effort (for the advanced player). Of course, you could get an extra long racquet for a larger head, but then now many other variables have changed such as increased swingweight.
     
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  6. goosala

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    Faster racquet speed on serves.
     
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  7. In D Zone

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    I prefer the mid but there were days where I feel that I'm off with my strokes mostly because I am tired from playing the day before. Then I switch to mid plus. (RDS002 TOur or Mp Tour 1 Mid +)

    Why Mid? It makes me focus on my game more; playing with smaller headsize you have to be technically dead one - footwork, racquet preparation, the swing and follow thru. I enjoy the raw feeling of playing mid, everything you do with the racquet comes from your own power.

    It is much easier playing a midplus because it offers you better power, but I noticed midplus offer less manuverability and control especially for an all court player like me.
    As for advantages for playing mid vs Midplus .... well, it all boills down to preferences.
     
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  8. keithchircop

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    biggest advantage: low power. you can hit hard and flat ==> the ball will stay in. there are MPs and OSs that are as low powered but you don't get the same control of a mid, especially of an 18x20. you can hit 80mph forehands if you can supply the power, you just have to work harder.

    biggest disadvantage: more mishits if you hit with loadsa topsin.

    if you use an eastern forehand and hit pretty flat i suggest you demo a 90.
     
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  9. MichaelChang

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    my feel on a small head size such as PS85 is, if you hit it right (ie, on the sweet spot), you can obviously feel the reward, it will be a beautiful strike. if you are off the sweet spot, yuk. the mids actually pushed me to improve my hits.
     
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  10. AndrewD

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    In itself a midsize, or any racquet, won't give you better placement and spin on serve, faster racquet speed, better manueverability on volleys, ect. In truth, placement is determined by control, a larger hitting area will give you more spin, swingweight and static weight will determine racquet head speed and manoevrability. A midsize, by virtue of being a midsize, won't improve any of those factors. However, it does have a feel which is quite distinct from any 95sq+ frame and THAT is the advantage of a midsize racquet.
     
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  11. quest01

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    I agree. It doesnt make any sense to say that a smaller headsize gives you all these advantages over a midplus. I would also agree that a larger hitting area gives you more spin and power.
     
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  12. superstition

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    I have found that I make far fewer unforced errors with a Prostaff 85 than with any oversize I've tried. I hit relatively flat and use an Eastern and Extreme Eastern grip. In order to control an oversize, I'd probably have to use a much higher string tension.
     
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  13. Tennisplayer92

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    keep in mind that feel is important. you can swing away with ALL the power and spin you want but most definitely you cannot rule feel out. to some if not most players the way they play can affect their psychological game by the way they feel the ball. therefore giving a better result. plus you simply cant compare the feel of a 85-93 sq inch racquet to anything else.
     
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  14. ShiroRm

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    Better feedback/feel about your technique/game, more control, better 1hd backhand. If you keep yourself fit and stay focused during play, they help you to develop a more conscious (technically, tactically) and possibly, varied game
     
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  15. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Mids are beloved to some of us for complex, difficult to explain reasons. For me, it comes down to a simple question: with what frame do I play my best tennis? Clearly I may make some SHOTS better w/ a MP or OS. However on the whole I play better (and win more often) with a mid. Case closed. ;)

    Those who will extol the virtues of MP or OS frames often cite the fact that 'the best players in the world almost exclusively use a MP or OS frame'. To this I say, "look in the mirror, do you see David Nalbandian? Or Rafa? Or Tommy Haas?' :)

    In short, your recreational game has NOTHING to do with a pro level player's game, or his frame. ;)

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  16. sureshs

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    But no junior or college players who are in between us and the pros use it either. So the analogy is totally incorrect - trying to prove something from a negative.
     
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  17. MichaelChang

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    I think what he trying to say is to pick the stick for yourself, not because others (whether pro or not) are mostly using other rackets, which I tend to agree.
     
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  18. sureshs

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    That is not what he is saying. He is saying recreational play has nothing to do with pro play. That statement is completely wrong. There are various levels of recreational play. I know that for at least 3 sports I follow - tennis, table tennis and golf. The better recreational players do follow the trends of the pros. The logic of "I am a worse player than a pro, so I will use equipment even he won't touch" is just perverse.
     
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  19. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    I love the control I get from my K90, and I have all the power I need. I own a Microgel Radical Pro that doesn't provide me with any more power than the K90, so I have little incentive to switch.
     
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  20. VGP

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    You mean to tell me that there are NO juniors, NO college players and NO pros out there that sport mids?
     
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  21. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    That's right. Also, there aren't any juniors or college players that wear shoes ;)
     
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  22. VGP

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    The fact that midsize graphite frames are still available for purchase says something about their viability as a product.

    Manufacturers wouldn't make them if no one bought them. It can't be just because of Federer or Sampras......

    They may be on the way out (i.e. the way of the wood), but as it stands right now they are still good tools for play at any level.

    I wouldn't discourage someone from using a midsize just as I wouldn't discourage someone from using any other frame. Just as long as they are enjoying the game and not doing any harm to themselves by using a particular racket.

    We all have opinions as to why one racket is "better" than another, but in the end, it comes down to what makes someone feel good about what they use.

    For us recreational players, midsize, oversize, midplus, extended length, strings, grips, it's all preferences that help us have fun and somewhat competitive.

    For the pros, it's whatever they think will get them the higher paycheck after matchpoint.
     
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  23. keithchircop

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    I'm tired of people telling me that I'm not SUPPOSED to use a mid before they even ask me a single solitary question about how I play.

    "Duh, I don't need to ask... you use a semi-western forehand and you're a topspin monkey like the rest of us!"

    Idiots.
     
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  24. Tour 90

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    control and serves are what I get the most of from my lmp mids.
     
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  25. VS_Power

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    midsized rackets look the best. thats good enough reason for me
     
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  26. BreakPoint

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    Maybe these junior and college players are also trying to copy the pros?
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    You miss the point. If YOU are not playing AGAINST other pros or college players, there's NO NEED for you to also use what they use.

    If you're not racing against other professional race car drivers, there's no need for you to drive a 600hp race car. Your Toyota Corolla will work for you just fine. That's his point.
     
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  28. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    I happen to be a semi-western using topspin monkey, and the K90 works suits me just fine ;)
     
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  29. keithchircop

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    Unless you're 4.0+, I'm sure loads of people tell you that the racquet is hurting your game. One person less since NBMJ left.
     
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  30. VGP

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    Frankly speaking, if you're less than a 4.0 does it really matter what racket you're using?
     
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  31. keithchircop

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    IMO no. But stores wouldn't sell their beginner and game-improvement racquets (i.e. 70% of their racquets) if the people found out. And what they say brainwashes people; so much so that someone in the 90 sq in club thread said he couldn't serve inside the service box with a 90 because he's only a 3.0.
     
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  32. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    I play on a 4.5 level. Honestly, I haven't had anyone tell me that I'm using the wrong stick, but it wouldn't bother me much if they did. I try not to let ignorant people get to me ;)
     
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  33. AndrewD

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    If you are playing competition tennis and want to do as well as is possible then yes, it should matter what racquet you use. The best racquet might or might not be a mid.

    Personally, I'd really hate to think someone was playing team tennis, where it isn't just about the individual, and not giving themselves and, subsequently, their team the best possible chance to win their matches. I'd also hate to think people were of the opinion that a mid/oversize/midplus/players/tweeners/etc racquet was always the right one for them. If you want to remain competitive (quite different if you just play for fun) you should re-evaluate your equipment needs on a regular basis. As we get older that probably means re-evaluating on an annual basis and keeping an open mind.
     
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  34. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Just for the record, I happen to know numerous top juniors and DI college level players personally. And some of them do, in fact, use mids. ;) In fact I posted a while back about having a very enjoyable hit with a MUCHO talented DI female who told me, "I can't use any frame other than the K90 because I don't feel like I have control over the ball." True enough, she hit hard and flat to the corners and was a very fit, athletic young lady. Still, I think you see my point.

    This, however, is not the point. The point I am trying to make is simple: you are you, and a pro (or college player, or top junior, or another rec player, etc, etc, etc).......well they are NOT you. ;) Specifically you have YOUR body type, flexibility, biomechanics, etc and they have THEIRS. Perhaps even more importantly you were trained by YOUR instructors or coaches of YOUR era, and probably emulated the games of the greats of YOUR time. Current top college players (and pros) grew up in a different era, w/ different surfaces, balls, tools (frames), fitness techniques, and coaching available to them. You were molded by YOUR environment, they by THEIRS. Any wonder you might choose different frames (or playing styles)? ;)

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  35. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Well said. ;)

    I think the problems (at least on this board) arise when someone does just that and ends up with frame 'X' and posts his/her success. It seems there are people lined up around their computers just dying to tell them why they are wrong to choose 'X' and would be SO much better off with 'Y'. That, to me at least, seems a bit silly, for the reasons I have outlined above.

    Best,

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  36. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Oh, and BTW, no one has EVER come up to me on the court and said something like, 'wow, you could be pretty good if you just dumped that frame and picked up a 'fill in the blank'. That stuff just doesn't happen in real life. ONLY in cyberspace. If you aren't buying this, just Samster and Bolt how I hit with a 85 si Cayman TNT. ;)

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  37. Bubba

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    Find the best racquet for your game... and use it. Period.
     
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  38. PackardDell

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    imo no as long as it isn't a big oversize granny racquet
     
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  39. fuzz nation

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    Perverse?!

    C'mon now, that's a little heavy... You could offer your own argument on the flipside of the coin and keep the discussion open.

    I'm happy to add that my game indeed has nothing to do with the pros (ok, so I play on the same size court) - I went to the Open last month and also watched Fabrice Santoro win Newport in July. Yikes! I refuse to pack that many of the same racquet in my bag! At least that's the biggest difference I can see...

    Recreational players can afford to play with whatever quirky gear that they enjoy, but in heavier competition, especially for the pros, they don't have to enjoy the feel of their less conventional frame. They have to eat. It's a job and they have to "enjoy" success or go do something else.

    Personal enjoyment of the game is a luxury available to everyone way over at the recreational end of the spectrum, but the priorities change on the way toward the other end. You guys seem to be camped in two portions of the same spectrum. I hope the pros and the heavier amateur competitors predominantly enjoy themselves out there, but I think we can agree that they can't do it these days with an old Jack Kramer, even if they feel like buttah.
     
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  40. VS_Power

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    i used a mid since i was in the 3.0 level

    i was in the market to buy the racket that would help me improve the fastest

    i still believe a mid was a good choice


    ya'll make it sound like 5 square inches on a racket make such a big deal. i can't even tell the difference between a mid and a 95 when i put them on top of each other. they look exactly the same. just use whatever racket you like, instead of spending time switching around choosing rackets and getting out of sync. tennis is so much a mind game that the 5 square inches is hurting certain people, who would otherwise excel with a mid, only in the mind. honestly, if all rackets looked the same but kept their properties, we'd all be confused as hell
     
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    use whatever you like, that's it.

    now this statement is COMPLETE BULLSH!T!!!! nothin better then driving 100+ mph on an open road...
     
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  42. sargeinaz

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    You can do 100+ in a corolla too you know.
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  43. saram

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    The Prestige Mid line has precision accuracy and control. Power is there if you want it. You will not have the same spin as the 98, but using a 17g string makes up for it.
     
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  44. Bolt

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    Craig hits like a freakin monster with that frame. And the K90. And the tricked out Asian K90. And the ... well you get the idea. ;)
     
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  45. samster

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    I have a feeling Craig can beat me soundly even with a wood frame. Nuff said.
     
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  46. BreakPoint

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    FYI, those 600hp race cars cruise at over 200mph. Would you go that fast on your local 55mph limit highway even if your car could do it? I highly doubt it.

    Exactly! ;)

    Therefore, there's no need for you to drive a 600hp race car as your daily car.
     
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    Haha BP, maybe they're compensating for something? Or I'm just looking for trouble.
     
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  48. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    The only problem with your logic is using the word "need". Tennis is not an endeavor we pursue out of need, but rather, out of a quest for pleasure. A 600hp race car is a luxury that most of us cannot afford. Tennis racquets, on the other hand, are affordable luxuries. We can choose to use the equivalent of a 600hp race car if we choose.

    I probably would drive over 200mph to the grocery store if I could afford the ride and had diplomatic immunity against speeding tickets.
     
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  49. AceofBase

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    To me i have the Yonex RDX500 mid and only use it for an all court or when i play someone that is an all court player too, just to have a better game play. And i have the Babolat Aero Strike midplus and use that when im out of pace or play more defense like Nadal. And i also have a Prince Triple Threat Graphite OS, use it as a baseliner and would use it to play against a baseliner to get a better game and see who's better! To me the mid size you would probably have a hard time with a fast hard hitter baseliner that has a Oversize racket or Midplus.
     
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  50. nickarnold2000

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    Do these kinds of threads actuallly solve anything? I think the poster who said to "keep an open mind" and keep evaluating your current racket needs, hit the nail right on the head. I use the RDS 001 90 now but if I feel that it's hindering me in any way, I'll ditch it quickly(well, hopefully sell!). In tournament play, nobody cares what stick you're using but everybody cares about winning so play with what helps you win!
     
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