Auckland Heineken Open ATP 250

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  1. Rhino

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    Thanks. Kiwi pronunciation isn't taught. We just pick it up, because everyone around us is speaking the same way.
     
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    K so ... pull the other one ... even 'em out! ;)

    fun match this ... could swear I heard a kiwi say: monfils wens the sicond sit!!! :lol:
     
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    Kiwis were so supportive of Isner the last few years. This year he's playing sydney, but American Brian Baker's in Auckland in his stead .... are you Kiwis taking to Baker as much as you did to Isner, Rhino?

    BTW, love the center court renovations ..... nice, very nice! :)
     
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    Really love this tournament. First year I watched it Juan Martin del Potro won ... Fun and comfortable that year. Still fun, but renovations are nice, still preserving the intimacy ... is that a NZL channel broadcasting? ..... Anyway, Becker was playing very well at first, especially serving ..... monfils almost threw second set away, but held on to win it .... then fell apart a bit ... monfils looking determined and becoming a crowd favorite all over again after six years away .... good choice giving him a wild card .... my choice to meet Ferrer in the semis ...

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    Yeah it's an awesome tournament. I'm not biased, I used to live in London and I actually prefer attending this to Queens (although I realise the quality of draw is lower). The facilities are really nice. There is a gym, an Olympic pool, three hidden practice courts on the roof, three indoor courts, great food, two pro shops, and the chance to get close to the players, who all seem a lot friendlier here than when they are in the US.

    Host broadcaster is SKY TV (New Zealand).
     
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    Poor Becker, he always comes close to beating these top guys and falls short.
     
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    The venue sounds awesome. Is it my imagination, or is there more traffic noise now than there used to be a few years ago?


    Yeah. So near and yet so far. He looked so cute in his pre-match interview without the hat. Never realized he was that good looking before. Did sound as if the qualy win might have been an advantage for him ... but gael's class finally took effect. Still, leMonf maybe should not have done the slide splits on those nicely unbandaged knees ..... he just can't help himself when it comes to crowd pleasing .....
     
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    Yah I don't think I have seen an interview with this guy outlining why he now all of a sudden wants to play for Canada. He made his choice to play for the USA and he should just stick with it. I really don't like this changing loyalties business thats so prevalent in tennis.
     
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    agreed ... I mean, I can understand people doing what's best for themselves, but how bout "giving back" ????? it seems most of these foreign teenagers who train here in the usa just take, take, take ... when does "giving back" play a part?
     
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    early break for Mr. Ice Blue Eyes, now leading Falla 3-0

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    edit: querrey d rochus 75 63 -- will play the winner of g.jones/g.monfils in tomorrow's QF
    and x.malisse d s.giraldo 76(6) 64 -- will play the winner of Kohly/Falla tomorrow in the QF

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    Ehhh, gotta think of it like this.

    For all the problems American tennis has right now, think of how bad British and Canadian tennis is.

    Dustin Brown wants to be a Brit...at 164 or something in the world, that makes him the second ranked Brit. I believe this makes Levine #2 or #3 in Canada. In the states, he's #8. Unless you are an elementary school in Vermont, being 8th at anything is no cause for celebration.
     
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    i go to the land of the long lost vowel every winter, always come back with a slight touch of the accent in spite of myself..
     
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    huh? levine is #8 in the states?
    he was #918 on 07/10/2006 and is #104 at the start of this week, tho rising due to success at Auckland this week. don't think he's ever been higher than #69 during all his years here.

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    are you thinking of someone else? Cuz here's his rankings history @ http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Le/J/Jesse-Levine.aspx?t=rh

    question is about all the money spent by what I assume are the american taxpayers, maybe private tennis institutions, on multiple foreign teenagers ... when does the "giving back" ever occur? got any examples of them giving back? even giving credit where credit's due?
     
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    lol at the "long lost vowel" :)
    sounds as if they've even invented a couple extra ones! :D


    rotten shame king-turner couldnt make beter use of his wild card ... I'd like to see him play more frequently on the atp ...

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    That will just be the positioning of the microphones. When you're in the stadium you hear most of the traffic noises less than on TV... the only thing is Auckland hospital is just up the road so the rescue helicopter often flies directly over the tennis on it's way to land.
     
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    He's not really capable of playing tennis to a level which would get him anywhere on the ATP so not sure why it'd be interesting to watch. He's 28, way too late in the scheme of things to get anywhere plus lacking the basic gamecraft to get him anywhere against competent opponents - as Levine showed.

    The sad thing about having a big serve in the ITF or junior levels is players get to thinking they're better than they are because their serve covers for a lot. As soon as they meet opponents who can handle it the holes in their game become glaringly obvious, as this match showed. Dan has made a good crack and he is one of NZ's top players - but that hasn't been much of a measuring stick since about 1983.
     
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    8th best American and 2nd or 3rd best Canadian I meant.
     
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    oh. sorry bout that! guess he can't play anerican davis cup if he's not american, eh? which of course he's known from the beginning ... anyway, he beat his old nemesis brian baker yesterday in auckland ... maybe someday he'll thank america for investing in his training for 12-13 years ...

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    Kiwis put up a doubles hopeful, but the swedish/danish team ended their hopes with just too much game ..... too bad ...

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    So Ferrer's going to win this one right?
     
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    Part of the problem is that NZ Tennis needs more funding. Yeah we're a small country and everything but we haven't cracked the top 20 since 89 and best since then was n. 32 in 96. Before the 90s we always had a player in the top 20 or thereabouts but nothing since. In essence Its been 23 years since a male or female player cracked the 20s. Something has to change.
     
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    I don't think it's just a money thing. They need to recognise when things are completely not working and cull the dead wood. Instead they seem to wait until it's not working and then retain the key people for another decade.

    The complete inability to nurture a single male talent to even the top 100 for a 15-odd year period was an huge indictment on the ability of former head coach Geoff Simpson and his team but it took literally that long for anything meaningful to be done about it. Not a single player came through on his watch with anything like the court craft to be successful at the top. And there were some talented players from memory - just none who ever transitioned well into the seniors.

    In addition, there are players who had years of coaching who still had/have with astonishing flaws in key strokes like the serve which seem to have been ignored for years on end (Sacha Jones' serve for example).

    As you say, something has to change. I've been hearing that since the mid 80s about NZ tennis.
     
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    There are only 4 million people in NZ, and most of them are into rugby. If you took a random sample of 4 million people in the US, I wonder how good the best players in that group would be. Also, NZ players just never have good opponents to test them, so they keep getting away with poor play. A guy like Nadal grew up practicing with Carlos Moya. Even Murray left the UK to train in Spain.
     
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    Chris Lewis was the last guy to really make a mark - he reached the final of Wimbledon one year but struck McEnroe at his peak, so was unlucky not to win. He was known as the fittest player on the tour at that time.
     
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    Excuses such as population size are really just that, excuses. They don't explain how so much junior talent has not been realised at the tour level. The coaching system in NZ has generated poor results from multiple generations of junior talent on an on-going basis. Sure, it's not all down to the coaching but, regardless of funding, the lack of court craft you see from supposed top prospects who've come through the system have really warranted a few head rolling over the years - the 90s in particular.

    Their results are little more than having created a stack of ex-player tennis coaches at a cost of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars each. Coaches who themselves didn't play at a high level but, importantly, generally didn't show much tennis nous when they tried, can't possibly be considered a good result for all the effort.

    You say NZ players never have good opponents to play with. Well, that's an easy fix > they should be travelling or basing themselves overseas for more of the year then. No doubt some have come from families with the means to support them that way - so there's not really an excuse there. If being based overseas is a big part of the answer then the solution is quite obvious.

    It also doesn't explain the females who can train with males to improve.
     
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    Ferrer vs Lacko (about an hour ago):

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    Beautiful colors, Rhino! :)
    Is that top tier (the one with the big, yellow umbrella)new? they've shown it a couple times on TV, and it looks like there are some tables/chairs, etc., plus an outdoor tennis court ... is that what's up there?

    Plus you got some killer seats, if youre taking pictures from your seats. Are you gonna see evening schedule?
    [3] T Haas (GER) vs [WC] G Monfils (FRA) :?:

    and after that the doubles, which should also be very entertaining:
    J Brunstrom (SWE) / F Nielsen (DEN) vs J Janowicz (POL) / A Ramos (ESP)
     
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    uh oh ... what's happening? that looks like gimelstob and koenig out to play an exho in place of the ?singles?

    I heard the word "back" so ATM I don't know whether it was haas or monfils who cancelled due to back problem?
     
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    Frank MOSER had to pull out because of a back injury so Frantisek CERMAK and Michal MERTINAK go through to the Semifinal. So waiting for the night match (Monfils vs Haas) Gimelstob and Koenig played an exho for fun :p.

    Monfils and Haas should be on any minute now :)
     
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    Well you seem to have the answers mate. I'm not looking for excuses because I don't care enough about it. I lived more than half of my life outside of NZ. Just using logic.
    I have close ties with NZ tennis. My brother was top ten here and I've heard all the theories. Different decades yeald different levels of players all over the world. Up until last year the UK couln't buy a major champion for 70 odd years or whatever. Now the US and Australia are having problems finding champions.
     
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    Don't pull that card on me :p - I don't have all the answers but I know when an incompetent organisation is let to continue year after year after year unchecked. The issues with the coaching system in themselves were clear enough but the ability of those in it to safeguard their own jobs well beyond their use-by date (if any corporate level of accountability was applied) is equally renown in NZ.

    As is true in life is true here: excuses and explanations are what you do when you're losing, not when you're winning. NZ has stacks of reasons why they haven't produced any credible male tennis players for decades just as America and Australia are starting to suffer from (compared to the 80s and 90s at least) - they're usually blueprints of what to change for a start. From there the key is convincing people the changes will work and finding the support for them.

    As with Scotland, probably the best ticket for a promising junior would be to ship them off to Spain... :p
     
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    He played McEnroe in the 1983 Wimbledon final but lost to him in straights.

    Do you know if Chris has any involvement with NZ tennis these days?
     
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    Well there is an area on the roof where that yellow umbrella is. It's beautiful up there and a great place to watch tennis. I watched Querrey/Levine up there today. I'm lucky enough to have a pass so I'm moving around to different spots all day. I will post some more pics...
     
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    Tommy Haas practicing for his match with Monfils...

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    David Ferrer during Lacko match...

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    Chris Lewis coaches tennis in California now.
    His brother Mark Lewis coached Michael Stich through his win at Wimbledon over Boris Becker in 1991. After that Chris and Mark started up a junior development programme in NZ. They developed juniors like Marina Erakovic who reached top 40 in singles last year.
     
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    So it was Frank Moser who caused the doubles match to be cancelled, hence we were "treated" to the Rob Koenig vs Justin Gimelstob match, complete with on-court players mics. Lucky us. Dream come true for JG, who was dying to get out there.
     
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    Any vid? Sounds like fun :)
     
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    I have actually recorded it. If I get a chance I'll put it on YouTube. They were joking around with each other while playing. JG drinking beer, commentator messing with the score, Koenig doing tweeners, it was quite funny.
     
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    They also had Justin's serve at 300+ km/h on the radar haha was classic!
     
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    thanks for the info :)
    I had errands to run, so missed monfils beating haas, which I'm sorry about cuz the match stats look like it was quite a contest .... glad to see gael's gonna meet ferru in the semis, as I expected ...

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    interestingly, ferru's never beaten leMonf before, so I'm guessing tomorrow w/b his best chance ... should be a really fun match to watch ... I'll say Go Gael! .... after all, david already has 18 titles to his credit, while gael only has four!
     
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    lol ... got to see what robby looks like for the first time ... maybe not dead sexy, but cute! :D

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    apparently, a good time was had by all ...

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    So weird. My abdominals look just like his.

    Is it sad that I would actually really like to see this? I wanna see present-day Koenig hit. Love his commentary. If you post it up let us know.

    Seriously, this tourney sounds epic. May have to put it on my bucket list. Beautiful but small center court, good players, killer vantage points, New Zealand.

    How is the city of Auckland as a general destination spot, sans tennis?

    Doing an Auckland-then-Australia trip would be just amazing, methinks.
     
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    I'm surprised that all of their matchups (even if it's just 3) were in best-of-five matches. And, yeah, I'd think Ferrer would have at least won a match in the H2H
     
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    Seeing New Zealand

    I live in Auckland. A lot of people think about doing a combined Australia/New Zealand trip if they have a couple of weeks. In my opinion that is a mistake, unless they have a lot of time. The reason being is the sizes. New Zealand is bigger than all of Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined) and Australia is nearly as big as the continental US.

    Regarding New Zealand - if you like coastal beaches - North Island, if you like Mountain and Lakes - South Island. Also try the local ice cream ;-) re. Auckland - you will love sailing here!

    So enough of the shameless pitch - Have a good trip (when you decide to come) :)
     
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    Finals man, P-KO :)
    Gonna be tough, facing Ferrer or Monfils
     
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    It's currently 40 C / 104 F on the court
     
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    woof! :shock:


    yAAAAAAAy Kohly !!!!! :mrgreen:

    this is the first time Phil's made it into the finals since he WON THE TITLE in 2008!
     
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