Aurellian charity match challenge

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  1. arche3

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    Who is he? is he from a reality show?
     
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  2. austintennis2005

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    "I thought everyone knew who Aurellian was. He's not tough to find in TennisLink. "

    he's tough to find if you dont have his real name which nobody gives out much on here.
     
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  3. Velvet Ga el

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    So you know he's a 3.5, currently playing in a Las Vegas tourney, lost last night 3 and 4, and you can't find him on TennisLink? Seriously? Do you think Vegas has twenty tournaments going on every weekend?
     
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  4. austintennis2005

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    ya ur right.... i was thinking of leagues
     
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  5. arche3

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    Well now I suppose I can find him. But prior to this I had no idea he played any tournaments.
     
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  6. Topspin Shot

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    Is Aurellian a black person? Just curious if I got his name/Facebook page right.
     
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  7. arche3

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    I think I found aurellian as well. He doesn't look that tough. Unless in his pictures they were not mind bone poses.

    I wonder why people are afraid of him in Vegas?
     
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  8. Maximagq

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    Can you guys PM me his info? I'm curious hehe
     
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    99 out of 100 people who play tennis are pussies, if they had balls they would be rugby players.:rolleyes:
     
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  10. Aurellian

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    I'm Jewish.
     
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  11. Aurellian

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    Please don't.

    TT is all for fun and entertainment. It's a virtual respite and outlet for good natured ribbing. When bored in Vegas I hop on here and rile you all up. I mean no ill will or malice to any of you.

    I am Aurellian and you are Maximus...let's just leave it at that.


    Deal?
     
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  12. Aurellian

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    I am a a very inconsistent tennis player. I make no excuses for my loss to him. He was a lefty and his balls just died on my racket. No excuse.


    That being said, it does not negate the fact that I took out a 4.5 on the AA park ladder and beat a C-rated 4.5 at a club in DC....both victories have been attested to on here by neutral third parties.

    I have never claimed to serve 120mph....just claimed to serve over 100mph on occasion.

    I have never claimed to be a good tennis player. In fact, I have claimed the contrary.

    I didn't put my on my act tonight. I am really bummed about what's happening in Iraq and am in no mood for gamesmanship.
     
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  13. Aurellian

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    Remember that the line is 6 games in two matches:)
     
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  14. Aurellian

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    who is that? that's not me. You guys have me confused with some black guy.
     
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  15. Topspin Shot

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    The two are not mutually exclusive. I won't PM what I think is your name though.
     
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  16. beernutz

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    So, as Velvet posted above, this is not you?
    "he's a 3.5, currently playing in a Las Vegas tourney, lost last night 3 and 4"

    Because if not, you have a career/life/tennis doppelganger.
     
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  17. Maximagq

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    Haha okay. I haven't read much of your posts since I rarely go on the Adult League section anyways,
     
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  18. Aurellian

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    Thank you. You guys are a decent lot.
     
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  19. Aurellian

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    like sammy davis jr. he was a convert. I am just by blood.

    i hear Sammy was a decent doubles player.
     
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  20. beernutz

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    He was but Dean would topspin lob him to death. Frank finally had to step in and separate them while Joey and Peter just egged him on with taunts of, "just hit an overhead Candyman" and "you need to keep an eye out for those lobs".
     
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  21. arche3

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    Yeah it is a tennis clone. Funny. I think he is in fact who we think he is
     
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    Look out for the mind boning
     
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  23. Aurellian

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    he did only have one eye. hard to hit overheads with skewed depth perception.
     
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  24. Aurellian

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    Arche, let's keep this in the virtual world. I see no benefit in merging the online and actual personas.

    Maybe yea maybe no...no benefit in either.

    Thanks.
     
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  25. Velvet Ga el

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    I think what you meant to say is you got served a gigantic portion of humble pie this week. Both of the guys you lost to in this tournament couldn't crack the singles lineup on their 3.5 teams, and were decidedly mediocre in 3.5 leagues. The one that plays up to 4.0 gets his butt handed to him in singles at that level.

    You can talk all the noise on here you want about challenging players much better than you, but you don't belong on their level (yet) and you'd be wise to tone it down.
     
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  26. Topspin Shot

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    Sorry Matt. I don't think it's right to PM his name if he doesn't want me to. You should be able to find him though with the info on this thread.
     
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  27. Maximagq

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    It's not an issue Topspin Shot, searching through this thread isn't even worth my time anyway (you'll get what I mean if you look in GPPD right now).
     
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    Yes jokes are always funnier when they have to be explained.
     
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    I'm feeling a little let down. It's like we just found out the James Bond of the tennis world is really Mr. Bean. Why do all of my heroes fall?

    Still, if you ever find yourself in Atlanta Aurellian, let me know. It would be comical, but possibly interesting, to match up my 35mph whiffle-serve with your heater. I'm not paying $50 for the privilege, though. Will provide free beer as an incentive, however.
     
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  30. IA-SteveB

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    This thread has been kind of a letdown, I will agree with that. One can only puff their chest out on an Internet forum for so long before it just gets played out. :)
     
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  31. Velvet Ga el

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    To put the final nail in the coffin, he got beat 6-1/2-0 in his final match in the tourney by a 3.5 who didn't crack the singles lineup on his 3.5 team. About three people in the tourney also told me the tournament coordinator had to come out to supervise because Aurellian was acting crazy (calling terrible lines intentionally, refusing to give his opponent the tennis balls, etc.), and that shortly thereafter, he quit the match because he was getting badly embarrassed and could no longer act a fool.

    I wish I could have been there to watch. His act grew thin with the Vegas tennis community long ago. It appears he's done the same thing online.
     
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  32. Maximagq

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    Velvet, if I want to start off playing Adults, should I start off in 4.5 or go straight to Men's Open? I haven't played serious competitive tennis since last September when I won my last junior tournament, so I'm hella out of shape. LeeD thinks I should start off in 4.5 until I'm ready to move back up and I kind of agree.
     
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  33. sam_p

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    You should follow these guidelines as an experienced player

    http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/ExperiencedGuidelines_02142011_V2pdf.pdf

    Since you have a findable junior record online, anything else is courting disqualification.

    I suspect you need to self-rate at 5.0.
     
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    Now this is exactly what I would have expected. It is nice to have some reality among the usual blend of self promotion and delusions of grandeur. I have nothing against him personally and rather enjoyed the show for a while. That time has passed. :)
     
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  36. Velvet Ga el

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    Self-rate as a 4.5, but play Open level in tourneys. You can always appeal up. If you were match sharp, I'd say rate straight to 5.0, but from my limited reading here, you've taken up teaching and haven't had as much court time.

    I hit with Open level players quite frequently around your age (including the #1 seed from Aurellian's tournament this weekend), and you'd be fine on the court with them. You'll run into much better players (college guys who want to play during the offseason), but for the run of tournaments you'll be competitive. Probably not win them, but you won't get embarrassed either.

    And, with a few exceptions, you won't find much at the 4.5 level to challenge you if you get back to playing regularly. But taking the lower rating initially gives you the flexibility to move up if you find the 4.5 guys can't handle the Maxima flair.
     
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  37. arche3

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    Aurellians mind boning didn't work I guess. Lol.
     
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  38. sam_p

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    Having seen his videos on here, he is much too consistent and accomplished for the 4.5 level. While rusty (for like a week or two) he might make more mistakes but personally I think it is much better to just schedule playing 2x a week for a month and rate properly. Guys who he plays at the 4.5 level will search his record and make noise about a 4.5 self-rating...and this will be appropriate noise. We are talking about a guy in his early 20's with a significant junior record of accomplishment in California - a competitive environment.

    Edit - here is the video, posted previously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t90qW1nGzZ8
     
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  39. beernutz

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    I agree. The NTRP self rate guidelines which someone posted previously in this thread state that if you are under 35 and had a national or sectional junior ranking you should self rate at 5.0 minimum. If the player in question had not played at all in years then maybe I could see a case for a 4.5 self-rate but that isn't the situation. If he tries to play league as a 4.5 I could see a self-rate grievance in his future.
     
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  40. Velvet Ga el

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    Depends on if he consistently plays tournaments or not. In top shape, I have no doubt he's a 5.0+; the video you linked shows it. But he said he hasn't been playing much, and he gave up 4 games in the second set to the little high school kid a week or so ago; that video is also up on here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWrycCbrOk&list=UUAMbTeq_Edpx44kVK_V3MNw). A true 5.0 would have trounced that little guy (not that he's a bad player, he's just undeveloped yet) with no more than 4 games lost. Perhaps Matt was messing around in the second set; only he knows.

    And I'm not advocating that he play 4.5 leagues. He'd get the DQ fast in those things once he got back to prime form. But self-rated 4.5 and playing in Open tourneys? Nobody is going to challenge his rating there, and it gives him the option to play at 4.5 if he finds that he doesn't play frequently enough to be a true 5.0.
     
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    I see your points, but just disagree with them.

    I think he should rate at 5.0, play open tournaments, get his hat handed to him, play some 5.0 league and get his 5.0C rating. The fact that he haunts TTW boards means it seems quite unlikely that he is going to stop playing for any length of time barring injury. If he plays any reasonable amount there is no way he is a 4.5 and shouldn't pretend he is - my opinion.
     
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    Fair points. I don't think that Matt is the type of sandbagger who would stay at 4.5 and just blast people though. If he plays 5.0 and realizes he belongs at that level, or plays 4.5 and realizes he's above that level, I think it's far more likely than not that he'll self-appeal up to that level.

    Under your way, though, if he does sign up and find he's not at the 5.0 level (yet), he has no recourse for at least a year until he gets bumped down. And given that he's already a full-time student who is also teaching tennis part-time as a side gig, he's probably not getting a whole lot of court time right now. If he doesn't have that court time and wants to play 5.0, he better expect a lot of beat downs.

    I know plenty of guys with similar player profiles to Matt who started in the 4.5 SoCal leagues, some in form, some out of form, a lot with small college experience. The ones in form usually get out of the leagues with a self-appeal in the first two months or so, and they're off to 5.0. The out-of-form ones are a mixed bag though. If they get more reps, they can move out of 4.5 in a year or less. If they don't, some settle at that level for a while. Physical conditioning is lacking for most of them (doesn't appear to be so for Matt), and their timing as well because they don't play much.

    I like the USTA chart for the majority of cases. It provides a pretty solid measuring stick. But for high level players, it starts to get a bit suspect. On your chart, Matt is a bubble 4.5/5.0. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but he has no college experience, never attained a sectional top 50 ranking, and is under 25. JUCO players his age would be able to rate 4.5 and probably get more court time than he does now.

    Because he's not sandbagging and is a bubble guy on the chart, I'd have no issue playing him in my 4.5 league. He'd kill me, but I wouldn't walk away from the match thinking he was obviously misrating to game the system. And although he's a good player, he's not a guy who is going to jump out of the court at you (i.e. doesn't have a huge serve, not physically imposing [sorry Matt:)], 2-star recruit, doesn't have college experience, etc.).


    (Late Add for Matt: The guy that's third on your UCLA Club Ladder right now [Greg] is 2-7 in Open singles competition in the last year. That gives you a benchmark with which to compare your own skills.)
     
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    If he is planning on playing 2-3 open tournaments per year, then go forth and prosper and it doesn't matter what he self-rates. I would suspect though that he is going to try to play a lot more than that. Starting out at a below appropriate starting rating doesn't reflect well on the person IMO - it smacks of trying to game the system. Looking at the two videos posted in the last page it is clear where he was in late 2013 and it is clear that he has fallen off a bit to 2014. If he plays with purpose for a few weeks he should be back where he was in 2013 very quickly. I think it is not honest to self-rate based on where you are today if you know that the amount you'll be playing will have you somewhere else in a few weeks.

    But, Matt, if you decide to self-rate at 4.5, you should come up to Norcal and play on my team, we could use a good ringer for our upcoming 9.5 combo :twisted: :)
     
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    Greg is one of my friends and I lost to him once 4-6. I led 4-2 but choked away the break.
     
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  45. Velvet Ga el

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    So now you have a reference point. I haven't delved into the quality of opponents he's faced at the Open level, but it does give you an idea that you're not going to roll in there and dominate. I've also noticed that two of the other guys on your ladder (one above you, one just below you) are rated 4.5 but play Open tournaments.

    IMO, that's the way to go for you. Of course, I don't begrudge sam_p's approach either.
     
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    Good advice, thanks!

    On a side note, holy cow I went down a lot haha, I played maybe like one challenge match the entire year and I think I would definitely be top five on that list in singles LOL. Not to be bitter or anything haha.
     
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  47. arche3

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    Do you mind bone?
     
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    I don't understand this question.
     
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  49. asimple

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    I'm not sure why you are so caught up into NTRP ratings since they only matter for leagues. If you really want to gauge your rating you should look into joining some teams. You might be surprised where you stand even with playoff bound 4.5 teams. In leagues it is far better to be underrated than overrated especially at 5.0 which already has limited lineups and teams.

    I don't know your level but I can say with relative certainty that you will be much happier in terms of playing time as a 4.5 than a 5.0. I will say that far far too many of your balls land right on the service tee.
     
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    That's not always true. It really depends on how confident I am feeling in my game and if I am the one dictating play or not. Against Di Giulio, he's a 6.0 with much heavier shots than me, so I am obviously going to get pushed around. Against legit 4.5's I have played, I muscle them around the court pretty handily and run them to the ground. If 5.0 players are considered solid juniors, then I am sort of in the middle in terms of offense/defense. Depends really on the opponent.
     

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