Australian media and Pat Rafter are fair weather friends to Tomic

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  1. Amelie Mauresmo

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    So now, Patrick Rafer is upset at Tomic because he won't be available for the next Davis Cup tie. Isn't it interesting how the Australian media and Rafter operate, now that Tomic is on a hot streak, winning his first ATP Tour title in Sydney, and beating Djokovic in an exhibition he's suddenly the pride of Australia again.

    Didn't Rafter just diss Tomic, glad the young man is starting to stand up for himself. I don't know why he would even bother considering playing Davis Cup for Australia at all?


    I hope Tomic and his family can see through the bigoted Australian media xenophobic BS. So suddenly because Tomic is successful again he's the pride of the country since he's the only legit player of the future they got. But a few weeks ago, Tomic was considered worse than scum. Funny, how having better results makes someone a hero once again.

    I know Tomic is young, but this kid has serious talent, I hope he is smart enough to see the hypocrisy of the Australian press, Rafter and others ect. towards him/ They do not have this young man's best interest at heart they only see him as a means to an end.
     
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    I personally think Rafter's got the wrong idea. Tomic ought to be trying to peak now for slams and perhaps go for some 500's. Going deep into important tournaments is way more important than disrupting schedule and travelling halfway around the world for an unimportant tournament he has near 0% chance of winning. Then again he is the Davis Cup Captain, so prbly his job to press him
     
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  3. Bartelby

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    Tomic has little interest in the Davis Cup at the moment so that's a little annoying if you are the Davis Cup capitain and as valuing the Australian Davis cup squad is considered patriotic Tomic gets bad press.

    An Australian of whatever stripe winning in Sydney and Melbourne is good for ratings, so instead of coming down hard on Tomic his failings will be carefully avoided while he is winning.
     
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  4. nethawkwenatchee

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    Pat Rafter cares more for Bernard Tomic than you can imagine:

    Just a short time ago Tomic was acting like a jack ass, getting into trouble with the law on several occasions over juvenile crap. His play, and ranking were tanking, he was headed the wrong direction on all accounts (this is often seen as a problem, especially when money has been invested on an athlete and they are involved in a team situation where performance = team success/failure directly).

    Pat Rafter was simply responding to this situation, trying to light a fire under Tomic's ass (obviously this has worked). We live in a world where far too many people "get away" with this kind of behavior, only to throw away the God given potential while friends, family, and anyone else who cares sits around wondering "what could have been"

    I for one much prefer leaders who care enough to do what ever it takes to open the eyes of the wayward son. Once in a while you see someone (Tomic in this case) take accountability and "Man Up". The media is always going to report on the successes or failures of a public figure (so yes, they "operate" this way, by nature) Please don't group Pat Rafter into this for demanding the best out of his best player. Also, Tomic understands who is on his side and looks up to Rafter. This is why Rafter is a great leader.
     
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  5. OrLevy

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    The problem is that too many Aussies (Ex players, coaches, etc) spoke publicly about Tomic in the past year. Whatever they wanted to say to him they could have kept off the press, but it seems like every communication became public knowledge.

    He is very young, he's bound to have bad days and bad months and for his form to waver. Some patience would have done them good.

    Instead of taking Tomic off the team in such showy, in-your-face way, PR could have told him (and the press) that he's waiting till after AO to pick his team, so he could evaluate their form. Or he could have kept Tomic on the team but decide not to play him. It's not like he has so many options.

    Surely he must have known that publicly humiliating Tomic could backfire if Tomic's form suddenly improves, which it did (and it was likely to improve - again, he's young - these things were going to happen).
     
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    You make some fair points but I believe you're buying into Amelie M's notion that Tomic was ostracized unfairly, and without merit. I would mention that Tomic was developing off court law troubles at the same rate his oncourt splender was fading. Do you believe that Pat Rafter and the Tennis Australia hierarchy didn't attempt a lighter and less public means of correction first?

    Pat Rafter is a guy who leads as he played: with class and good intention, he didn't wan't to make a public issue out of Bernie... he was forced to. Bernie is absolutely benifiting from his wake up call and should be very thankful for Rafters leadership. Also, it's not as though Pat Rafter and Tennis Australia only expect the best from Berie Tomic. Look at what Tennis Australia's chief of men's player development Todd Woodbridge had to say about action they had to take with Marinko Matosevic last year: "Bernie is where Marinko (Matosevic) was in the sense that Marinko was asked to deal with a few matters in his game and look where he is now," http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...rafter-jets-home/story-fnbe6xeb-1226551422725

    They were absolutely hoping that Tomic would recieve the wake up call and are delighted that he's changing. Bernie is a Man and is finally acting like it, don't feel sorry for any thing that's happened to him. It's all working in his favor to make him a champion.
     
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    I hope Federer pummels him to the ground in the 3rd round 6-1 6-0 6-0
     
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    Everybody looks good and are embraced when they are winning. Even scoundrels like McEnroe. Just part of the sports culture.
     
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    I agree that all this should have happened behind the scenes. Tomic has a lot of potential. I watched his matches at AO last year and 1 thing that struck me is that he has no fear on crucial points, he takes risks and he's not easily intimidated. Those are fundamental qualities for a future top player. I am very curious to see how the next few years are gonna pan out for him. To me, he's the most interesting of the 3 "new crop" guys. (Him, Dimitrov, Harrison )
     
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  10. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Tomic got in a fight with a friend in a pool hardly serious. People act like Tomic was smoking dope and robbing banks or something. The Australian media are going overboard with this kid he's only twenty. I can see why Tomic isn't impressed with the Australian media they act like players don't have feelings.

    Do people here remember when you were twenty years old? Also, all these Australian pros such a Stosur, Hewitt, Rafter, talking crap about Tomic in the press is uncalled for.

    Tomic should be focusing on his tennis career it is an individual sport and let Hewitt play Davis Cup. This young man has massive potential yes he has some personal problems but who doesn't in life?

    The way the Australian media are acting as though Tomic is on dope or doing something extreme when is not.
     
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    Federer is an amazing champion and is certainly still capable of great performances, theres no question about that. I do feel that such a scoreline is highly improbable against a guy like Bernard Tomic at this time/place. Lets face it, Federer is 31, with alot of miles and Bernie is 20, just won his first ATP event, beat world #1 Djokovic two weeks ago, looking great physically and mentally, ETC.

    Tomic is coming into his own at the moment and isn't going to lay down for Federer or anyone else. This is a completely different Bernie than we saw five months ago at the US Open (Roddick match, ETC.) This version is confident, moving well and going at his opponent, he'll have extra confidence after the past few weeks. You can be sure that Federer has him on his radar (although, I'm not saying Federer is sweating or loosing sleep). I'd go out on a limb and say that Tomic should be considered dangerous to anyone on his half.
     
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    You are right on the money, in particular the part about the xenophobic media and it's not just them, it's the entire Australian tennis fraternity. Mark Philipoussis was treated very much the same way despite single handledly winning the Davis cup for Australia in France on one occasion. And what do you know, he shares a similarity to Tomic, no need to elaborate on what that is.
     
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  13. chandler bing

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    As I stated in the other thread, it's an Aussie thing.

    I know in other countries, some sportsmen are considered to be godlike and untouchable. Not in Australia. Nobody is considered above criticism. It's the norm here for even very famous, talented people to be publicly and harshly criticized when they mess up. Bernie had it coming for ages.
     
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    I have to admit it. I looked up the definition of the word "xenophobic" :)

    XENOPHOBIA
    : fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

    It's well known that Bernie was born (in Germany) to a Croatian father and a Bosnian mother but I'm not quite sure I understand what you guys mean here. I've been following this story a bit and I've never gotten the impression that the tennis Australia guys or media or anyone else was making any to do over Tomic for any other reason than the ones I've discussed in previous posts (by the way I live in the U.S and don't have any personal ties to Tennis Australia or anything :))

    I think it really isn't that sinister. Bernie was making poor decisions, everyone including John McEnroe, Hewett, Pat Rafter, Woodford, Tennis Australia, fellow ATP players ETC. were all worried about a young guy going in the wrong direction (all of whom know him personally). They took a course of action that would be hard but make him face some decisions, he has admitted he needed to makesome of these changes. Hell, I'd recommend watching his post final press conference from last night. This guy is in a great place and doesn't appear to feel any hard feelings for anyone in Australia. I think most feel the same for him...
     
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    Tomic doesn't really want to be a part of Davis Cup and tennis is an individual sport and he regards his father and family as his key support and not TA.

    It's a bizarre situation when people who want you to play a different sport - Davis Cup - are criticising you and then accepting credit when you turn it around.

    Xenophobia does not come into it. It's more a question of Davis Cup being seen as patriotic whereas Tomic sees it as the sideshow it is esp. when you don't have a good team.
     
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  16. Amelie Mauresmo

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    Being patriotic does relate to xenophobia because the message of the Australian media is Tomic should "be like the other Australians" and not "be for himself." And if Tomic continues to reject this herd like Australian sports mentality he will get branded as being not Australian enough ect. Tomic is being treated as though he is an "other" an outsider not as though he's a "real Australian". I guess to be a real Australian, Tomic should not focus on what he wants in his career and just care about Davis Cup and BS like that. Tennis is an individual sport so Bernard Tomic should be focusing on his career Davis Cup shouldn't even be on the radar. Tomic should not ignore getting attacked in the media by other Australian tennis players. Tomic wasn't born in Australia and his parents are from the former Yugoslavia, but it seems to me in Australia when he wins he's Australian and when he doesn't do what the Australian tennis industry want he's a "foreigner" and the other.

    The subliminal message from the Australian press about the who Davis Cup fiasco is that Tomic isn't be patriotic enough. But the bigotry of the Australian press needs to be challenged they come across as extremely racist. The so called Australian media attitude towards Tomic goes beyond just criticism it comes across as racist, insensitive, and xenophobic.

    FYI Australia used to have a policy called the White Australian policy which banned Southern Europeans from immigrating to the country until the 1965.
     
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    This is what happens when you start winning. He's bringing it onto himself though. Sorry, I just can't bring myself to feel for someone who talks as much crap as he does. He should take a lesson or two in humility or just let his racket do the talking. And don't start telling me he's still young etc... he's my age.

    It has nothing to do with xenophobia either. He should grow up, that's all.
     
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    It's too much of a jump to associate Tomic's media treatment with some sort of rampant xenophobia.

    The fact is that he's not a team player and tennis is still at some level a national sport with a national team.

    The White Australia Policy did not prevent mass waves of Southern European migrants till 1965. It prevented non-white immigration, mainly Asian.

    Nineteenth century Australia was also actually muti-ethnic in composition.
     
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    I'm afraid your argument doesn't hold up to further examination.

    Pat Cash and Lleyton Hewitt have copped as much criticism from the Australian media as anybody, and they are as Anglo as the day is long.

    On the other hand, Aboriginal Evonne Goolagong is (still and to this day) one of the most beloved champions ever in Australia.
     
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  20. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Tomic even played Junior DC for years, and has aready got an 8 - 2 singles record.

    Rafter barely won 20 matches in his whole DC career because (gasp) he did not always make himself available.
     
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  21. Bartelby

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    The TA establishment is very powerful, as Paul McNamee found out, so the fact that the upcoming potential champion is not interested in being subservient to it must be irritating for TA.

    And it's people loyal to TA who mostly get quoted by the media.
     
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    Australia (and Australians for that matter) don't have any time for people who get "up themselves" - something that can easily happen to an up and coming tennis player, who gets a lot of media attention.

    Did any of you watch the presentation to Tomic when he won at Sydney yesterday? Ken Rosewall, yes Ken Rosewall, arguably having one of the best and certainly longest career of just about anyone, presented the trophy. Notice how humble he was? Notice how he kept well in the background? That Olympic stadium is named after the guy but he's the most unassuming person you could possibly meet.
     
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    Tomic's treatment by the media is a function of is own behaviour and anti-charm. He's dumb as a stick and arrogant to the point of psychosis. Unfortunately that very arrogance is a great asset on court and as pointed out above gives him a great degree of self-belief on big points and the courage to hit his shots. His problem is that he can't turn this competitive arrogance off when he's in front of the cameras. He is trying though and has clearly gotten some coaching/advice in the off season, however, his efforts to suck up to audiences in Perth and Sydney were comically transparent. In an interview after beating Djokovic he used the phrase, "All credit to myself..." about his performance with no idea that the protocol is to use this construction to praise your opponent's performance. Clang! He's also said he will make top ten this year and that he's going to be the greatest to play the game. This kind of vainglorious guff is OK in your nighttime fantasies (or perhaps if you're a boxer) but turns a lot of tennis fans off.

    He will cause a few upsets in the future but I fear I will never warm to him as I never did to Hewitt for somewhat similar reasons. I'm not troubled by patriotism so it's easy for me to root for the other guy when he's playing. Having said that I'd like to see him reach the third round to see Federer give him a lesson in humility.
     
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    OP you need to get your facts right about Tomic. So much time and money has been invested into him, and yet he carries on like a dick. Tennis Australia has not just got interested in him now because he is on a "hot streak". Tennis Australia has been investing in him for a long time now. The Australian media is just sensationalising Tomic and Tennis Australia but alot of national media outlets do that. Heaven forbid if Tomic was British, the British media would have incarcerated him by now. Australia's last big hope Philipousis was an epic fail as far as tennis success is concerned, because of his lifestyle, lack of determination and then injuries. Had he had Sampras' dedication and drive, he could have been anything. But no, slamless, and last I heard, about to lose his house a couple of years ago because he could not afford the mortgage repayments. He lives the next suburb over from me. The way Tomic is going, he will also be an epic fail. He needs to pull his finger out and fast.
     
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    Tomic's been with IMG since 13 and most monies that come from Government through the AIS need to be repaid through purse prize winnings.

    So whatever he has got through TA he hasn't really needed so he's obviously not inclined to be grateful.

    Philipousis decided to become a playboy, but in any event he was too injury prone to reach the very top, whereas Tomic has greater drive and despite his adolescent frivolousness he's unlikely to become a complete party boy.
     
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    Some would suggest that it didn't back-fire. It went to plan. If they had no hope that he might improve, there wouldn't be any point in bothering.

    I agree with the general theory that it's better to say things behind the scenes rather than letting it spill into the media, but there's no way of knowing that wasn't attempted.

    The consensus was that Tomic was talented, but needed a kick up the arse. It looks like he's had that kick up the arse. It's not clear how much that can be attributed to Rafter or anyone else, or if he just realised he wasn't progressing as he'd hoped, and had a period of self-reflection and worked it all out for himself. I'd speculate that it was a bit of both.

    It happens in the UK too. I can't think of any successful sports stars who haven't had their fair share of heckling, except perhaps the Olympics athletes who take part in sports where there isn't much money. But even they are starting to come under fire if they appear to showing any signs of enjoying their success or becoming too well known.

    At this point in time, Tomic needs to focus on his own career, and build on his recent success. If he even thinks that what he's done of the last couple of weeks is a big "up yours" to the critics, he's in danger of reverting. He's still got a lot to prove, and I am confident that Rafter will be happier than most if he does live up to his potential.
     
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    When Tiger was close to winning that major a year or so ago, I got the distinct impression all would have been forgiven.
     
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    I know the good Tiger is single now and can do what he likes, but it would be really interesting to know whether he is now as completely virtuous as he promised.
     
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    The Australian media are just desperate for any given talent that comes by that happens to be Australian. They want to feed it into people's brains that Tomic is the next big thing, vulnerable people, people who don't know much about tennis and only watch it once or twice a year. They are successful a lot of the time as these people are also gullible and will believe anything the media throws at them.
     
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    The media make more money out of the sport if there are national champions.
     
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    Yes, we just have to be so very thankful that Tomic was not smoking dope. Never in history has a teenager done that and then gone on to succeed in any way.
     
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    As much as it pains me to admit it, this is more or less true. Australia has always been a very proud sporting nation, and it feels like a lifetime ago that Cathy Freeman won gold, Australia were the best cricketers in the world, our soccer team wasn't a laughing stock, the Wallabies and Kangaroos were the best union/league teams in the world, Pat Rafter and Lleyton Hewitt were winning titles, and swimmers breaking records all over the place. We are DESPERATE for some new national (sporting) heroes.
     
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    Well, it's Rafters role to get DC wins. He's not going to like players tanking and not giving 100% and he is going to want players who are doing well to play for the team. Tomic is erratic enough to fit both categories over the course of a few months.
     
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